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Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. * 1
    #23593307 - 08/30/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The DEA Is Placing Kratom And Mitragynine On Schedule I
David Kroll , CONTRIBUTOR

The kratom plant, Mitragyna speciosa, produces medicinally important alkaloids that are increasingly known to be of potential medical benefit, but with questionable abuse potential. Photo credit: Shutterstock

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency has filed a notice of intent (PDF) to place the southeast Asian plant called kratom to the most restrictive classification of the Controlled Substances Act. The plant, Mitragyna speciosa, and its two primary constituents, mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, will be temporarily placed onto Schedule I on September 30, according to a filing by the DEA at 8:45 am Eastern time today. The full announcement is scheduled to be published in the Federal Register tomorrow, August 31.



Various forms of kratom and teas made from the plant’s leaves are sold in cafes and on the internet. Their primary effect is to provide a short-lived peaceful and calm feeling that is described as pleasant. Consistent with this effect being opioid-like, anecdotal reports indicate that some users have used kratom to successfully recover from physical and psychological dependence on prescription opioids and heroin. Comments on my last report on kratom have also indicated the successful use of teas made from the plant in managing chronic pain without the side effects and addictive potential of prescription opioids like oxycodone, hydrocodone and morphine.


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In the last two months, published research has pointed to why kratom might be a useful and safer alternative to prescription opioids. The main component of the herb, the alkaloid mitragynine, and its metabolite and oxidation product, 7-hydroxymitragynine, produce an effect on the mu subtype of opioid receptors away from many of the mechanisms that cause many opioid side effects. These alkaloids are now shown to be so-called G-protein biased ligands at the mu opioid receptor. This effect minimizes the engagement of an intracellular protein called beta-arrestin that among other effects, causes a reduction in opioid receptors on the surface of cells, leading to the tolerance and dose escalation commonly seen with prescription opioids.

The CDC has reported in July that kratom can be abused and that poison control centers have received over 660 calls between 2010 and 2015 regarding kratom intoxication. This report has been criticized as being relatively inconsequential given the small number of cases when compared with other legal and illegal intoxicants. In some cases listed as kratom intoxication, other illicit drugs were taken by the individuals.


The North Carolina state legislature recently decided not to restrict and criminalize use and sale of kratom–limiting it only to buyers over age 18–because of personal testimonials to the benefits of kratom teas. With the federal intent to place the herb and its bioactive constituents on Schedule I, the DEA is ignoring the increasing scientific literature on a potential beneficial medical use of the plant. Schedule I classification, used for drugs with no known medical use and high abuse potential, will certainly make subsequent research on the plant more difficult.

I’ll update this post with expert commentary as more information becomes available.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23593334 - 08/30/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those bastards.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: undersativaskies]
    #23593350 - 08/30/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why!?
Kratom has great potential in the midst of this opioid epidemic.
Guess they would rather have addicts dependant on pharma than to have access to all natural alternatives.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Mental Taco]
    #23593414 - 08/30/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's time to push for medical Kratom programs on a state level.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23593552 - 08/30/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is guaranteed? Like it's actually happening? :puke:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23593593 - 08/30/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DEA should just declare war against everything in nature. Stupid fuckers just power hungry and greedy. Cannabis and Kratom can help so many people that are dependent on big pharma industry's poison. Makes me sick.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Headrush]
    #23593634 - 08/30/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wtf? Kratom got me off oxy. Wtf...


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23593660 - 08/30/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.dea.gov/divisions/hq/2016/hq083016.shtml

AUG 30 (WASHINGTON) - The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) today announced its intention to place the active materials in the kratom plant into Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act in order to avoid an imminent hazard to public safety. Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine are found in kratom, which is a tropical tree indigenous to Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar, and other areas of Southeast Asia.  The announcement was made in the U.S. Federal Register and can be found by following this link.

Kratom is abused for its ability to produce opioid-like effects and is often marketed as a legal alternative to controlled substances. Law enforcement nationwide has seized more kratom in the first half of 2016 than any previous year and easily accounts for millions of dosages intended for the recreational market, according to DEA findings.  In addition, kratom has a high potential for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and has a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. These three factors constitute a Schedule I controlled substance according to the Controlled Substances Act passed by Congress in 1970.

Kratom has been seized by law enforcement in various forms, including powder, plant, capsules, tablets, liquids, gum/resin, and drug patch. Because the identity, purity levels, and quantity of these substances are uncertain and inconsistent, they pose significant adverse health risks to users.

From February 2014 to July 2016, over 55,000 kilograms of kratom material were encountered by law enforcement at various ports of entry within the United States. Additionally, another 57,000+ kilograms of kratom material offered for import into the United States between 2014 and 2016 are awaiting an FDA admissibility decision. Together, this material is enough to produce over 12 million doses of kratom. The FDA has also warned the public not to use any products labeled as containing kratom due to concerns about toxicity and potential health impacts. In addition, FDA has issued and updated two import alerts related to kratom products.  Kratom has been on DEA’s list of drugs and chemicals of concern for several years.

The American Association of Poison Control Centers identified two exposures to kratom from 2000 and 2005.  Between 2010 and 2015, U.S. poison centers received 660 calls related to kratom exposure. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) found that kratom abuse leads to agitation, irritability, tachycardia,  nausea, drowsiness, and hypertension. Health risks found in kratom abusers include hepatotoxicity, psychosis, seizure, weight loss, insomnia, tachycardia, vomiting, poor concentration, hallucinations, and death. DEA is aware of 15 kratom-related deaths between 2014 and 2016.

Well shit.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Achillita]
    #23593666 - 08/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

peices of shit


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Headrush] * 2
    #23593675 - 08/30/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



Except in the cases of
Cannabis sativa
Catha edulis
Erythroxylum coca
Lophophora williamsi
Papaver somniferum
Psilocybin containing Mushroom
Tabernanthe iboga
Ipomoea aquatica
Salvia Divinorum
Daturas
Ephedra sinica or Ma Huang
Mimosa Hostilis
Morning Glory
Syrian Rue

the noxious plant lists for the states are pages and pages long. so yeah, i think we like to tell god we trust him, but really we quietly believe he's a sadist putting all these dangerous drugs out there for us to explore.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: nuentoter] * 1
    #23593693 - 08/30/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck the DEA. Completely useless & evil organization. Other LEO groups while enforcing unjust drug laws do go after real criminals as well. The DEA does not.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: nuentoter]
    #23593700 - 08/30/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well i found a cheap ass vendor who if their product is quality, is going to see quite a few orders from me.(a drop in the bucket I'm sure compared to literally everyone using the stuff stocking up)

R/kratom is a fucking shitstorm right now.

I'm legitimately sick right now.

I guess this is the first step to making america great again right?

Next step:trump vs hillary:suicide:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23593707 - 08/30/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

high potential for abuse
15 deaths cause
contaminants in the kratom

completely fabricated and bullshit lies

300 people a year die here from wait lets say it together "pharmaceuticals" and that's not even counting
drugs that lower cholesteral or cause you to turn into a robot
while kratom is sold on the free market and has done little to anyone besides constipation


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Konyap]
    #23593728 - 08/30/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think its time for a good old fashioned lynching....


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom] * 1
    #23593770 - 08/30/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Game over for kratom in the US. Temporary scheduling is the kiss of death.

Don't worry too much though: I'm sure it'll still be available on DNM. Hell, there'll probably be huge DNM demand for it.

Also, fuck the DEA.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: nooneman]
    #23593789 - 08/30/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
Game over for kratom in the US. Temporary scheduling is the kiss of death.

Don't worry too much though: I'm sure it'll still be available on DNM. Hell, there'll probably be huge DNM demand for it.

Also, fuck the DEA.



Will they really risk mailing something so fucking bulky? Im curious as to what the weights are within the scheduling.

Is 1 g a felony amount? Or 10g?


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23593825 - 08/30/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ugh this is disgusting. I still have a kilogram but i might just order another kilo from my vendor.

:killme:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23593826 - 08/30/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's a good question. Like, what about states that have made all drug possession misdemeanors like California? If they're not specifically listed in California, then what's the penalty? :strokebeard:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23593836 - 08/30/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just started a petition about this as I could not find one, feel free to take some time and make a better one to share but for now please sign this:

Stop kratoms scheduling sept 30th

Here is another one I just saw: Please do not make Kratom a Schedule I Substance


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom] * 1
    #23593915 - 08/30/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why can't these bastards leave anything alone?  What the fuck..


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23593921 - 08/30/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD enthusiast said:
Quote:

nooneman said:
Game over for kratom in the US. Temporary scheduling is the kiss of death.

Don't worry too much though: I'm sure it'll still be available on DNM. Hell, there'll probably be huge DNM demand for it.

Also, fuck the DEA.



Will they really risk mailing something so fucking bulky? Im curious as to what the weights are within the scheduling.

Is 1 g a felony amount? Or 10g?




Hey if they mail cannabis I'm sure they will mail kratom. Also, I'm sure they will start selling kratom extracts which are a lot less bulky.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23593926 - 08/30/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A general question about the DEA.  They have the ability both to determine which drugs are scheduled and to prosecute use/sale of said drugs.  This essentially gives them both executive and legislative authority does it not?  Is this a common trait among government agencies?  It seems to me like this might show a lack of checks and balances.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23593990 - 08/30/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Would it be possible to sue the DEA over this?


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23594003 - 08/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is highly upsetting. My quality of life has improved due to Kratom existence. My headaches have lessened and overall enjoyment of life will take the plunge now. Im a daily user of Kratom so I guess I'll have to start a slow taper. Just recently my alcoholic friend switched to Kratom and hasn't had a drink in over a month!

Goddamn.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23594036 - 08/30/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's all part of the plan.  So the Military Intelligence complex can produce, smuggle and sell kratom and kratom isolates (also semi-synthetic).  The isolates have a huge profit potential.  Plus all the wars people are gonna fight over this drug.  Has a higher affinity than heroin.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23594323 - 08/30/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's only when you consider the DEA as protecting the economic interests of the US Government that their actions begin to make any sense.  Calling Kratom a schedule 1 substance is a clearly intentional mislabeling by an organization who profits from the pharmaceutical materials which are being routinely moved into the US by military forces from the natural habitat in afghstan. 

Those materials coming in with the army are diverted toward pharmaceutical companies producing hospital supplies of morphine and codeine and their derivatives which are oh-so-popular drugs of abuse in the USA.  But they are also diverted toward heroin production.  Heroin is one helluva way to control a population, the system has been in place for decades.  The opium wars.  Read up on what the Opium Wars were really about.  British colonials pushing opium on to the Chinese in order to conscript their labor and forced unfair trade via blackmailing and addiction.

So it makes sense that Kratom with its ability to alleviate addiction to opiates, thus reducing the demand of the government smack/oxy, would be viewed as nothing other than an economic threat, and thus actions would be taken to prevent its free availability in the market.  It is a ploy to keep people addicted to heroin and oxycodone, to protect the business they are already invested heavily in.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Achuma]
    #23594515 - 08/30/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im literally gonna start a riot.  this stuff has been the biggest godsend in my life.  mark my words, I will start world war 3 over this. Literally.

So how long will it be "temporary" placed schedule one? 

I despise how literally no one has any say in the matter.. straight up bullshit.  Fucking faggots.

What will happen to the millions of vendors selling???


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594526 - 08/30/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rather people stayed hooked on heroin i guess, maybe they're making too much money on it, and enjoying watching many ruin and shorten their lives, set of bastards.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594789 - 08/30/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So how long will it be "temporary" placed schedule one?




There's nothing "temporary" about it.  It goes from temporary to permanent.  No drug - and I mean NO DRUG which was ever the subject of a "temporary" Schedule 1 classification ever was rolled back and made legal ever again.  It's really much more akin to an "emergency" scheduling that then becomes permanent.

Fucking DEA.  Sometimes I think they WANT to make things worse-that it is part of their agenda to demonize all psychoactive substances...in fact, I'm convinced of it.  Make MJ illegal so people default to Spice.  Scheduling natural substances has always made things worse, NOT better.

Mother fucking cock suckers.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23594837 - 08/30/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)


Petition against Kratom Schedule one

https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpetitions.whitehouse.gov%2Fpetition%2Fplease-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance&h=8AQFnSliL&s=1

Apparently the Attorney General signs this into law.  If possibly we get enough people to message them about the issue, maybe they will decline the opposition.

Attorney General:

https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gov%2Fdoj%2Fwebform%2Fyour-message-department-justice&h=bAQH6DYcU&s=1

Please donate so we can hire a well connected, experienced attorney in DEA matters, a federal lobbying firm AND a public relations firm.. link below..

http://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2FWww.americankratom.org%2Fdonate&h=OAQF-fLer&enc=AZN_L1tF6_r6efhEFUkiCg7PbenpgIfP7I5dp2mCaKkSyFDV4eDzLjrs7uWhcrvaXb4&s=1


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594924 - 08/30/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

totally not :barbershreds:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: lurkmode]
    #23594977 - 08/30/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This could be really bad for the DEA. They are already in deep shit after coke, hookers, leonheart resigning, and failing to reschedule mj. If they keep fucking us over, especially with cannabis rapidly approaching legalization... well it could be the straw that breaks the camels back type deal. This could be a really big mistake for them.

At the very least if they continue to make bad decisions that negatively affect public health they could loose a lot of funding.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: FractalMind]
    #23595085 - 08/30/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

remember guys if you want to kill yourselves you can just purchase alcohol or tobbacco actually you don't even need to try just be anywhere in the general vicinity


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Konyap]
    #23595208 - 08/30/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The cracks have been forming for a long time. Eventually no one will give two fucks about their schedules.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23595273 - 08/30/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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The cracks have been forming for a long time. Eventually no one will give two fucks about their schedules.




Its like when the FDA says something is or isn't safe to eat :rolleyes:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23595308 - 08/30/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to vomit. This is the most absurd thing I've seen those piggies do in my life time.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Myco_illogic]
    #23595403 - 08/30/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Inner source:

This notice was posted today.  Their is a 30 day window from this point for public comment.

IF nothing changes, Kratom will be added to the Schedule 1 drug list on September 30th.

The DEA has began the process.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23595503 - 08/30/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking U.S. following the God damn U.K. with their substance banning, I hope all 8 states legalize marijuana this year, so the fucking DEA will be pissed.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tdubz]
    #23595662 - 08/30/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For most every plant on the list, you would need concentrates and a death wish. Major damage was not going to happen on accident.

And, yeah, that kind of person can abuse it. :nono:

It would typically be adequate not to give that person a social promotion, to drive buses or perform brain surgeries.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: durian_2008]
    #23596402 - 08/31/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, the threat of impending scheduling caused me to place an order while it's still legal.  Now I just have to learn what to do with it!  Damn the fucking DEA.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23597371 - 08/31/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23597524 - 08/31/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How can Congress delegate law making to a Star Chamber like the DEA?  Only Congress makes laws.  Totally illegal and should be challenged.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: fivepointer]
    #23597584 - 08/31/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They probably have some BS rights to "emergency schedule" "serious national health concerns" or some bullshit like that...

I totally agree in theory though, I wish there were more ways to challenge stupid decisions like this.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: fivepointer]
    #23597586 - 08/31/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
How can Congress delegate law making to a Star Chamber like the DEA?  Only Congress makes laws.  Totally illegal and should be challenged.




Exactly what I thought all along!!!!!!!!  It just seems so wrong!!  I'm not by any means an expert on human law.. but this just doesn't seem right to me..

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It is now more important than ever to contact people in the position to help. In order of what we think is most effective, please contact the following:

1. Most importantly, contact the office of the Assistant Secretary for Health, Karen B. DeSalvo. She is specifically identified in the DEA's intent to file as someone who is collecting comments and whose opinion they will take into consideration. Calls will most certainly be most effective - ask to leave a message regarding the banning of kratom.

2. Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH)
Phone: 202-690-7694
Email: ASH@hhs.gov
Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: http://www.hhs.gov/ashMediaInquiries:ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc.

2. Also, find the contact information for your Congressional Representatives using this link:
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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23597678 - 08/31/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Basically means it's about to be illegal


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: spacechimp]
    #23598137 - 08/31/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Cosmic VOC] * 1
    #23598155 - 08/31/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23598250 - 08/31/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good call Nature Boy. I am planning on hitting a local smoke shop and getting some today after I'm off. I as well have never tried kratom and know next to nothing about dosing but again, fuck the DEA.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23598625 - 08/31/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

Cosmic VOC said:
Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

N.B.




Maybe this is a ploy by the DEA to pump and dump the Kratom market, which they have secretly cornered...


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23598705 - 08/31/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If anything this is a ploy to get the kratom market cornered and regulated.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23598740 - 08/31/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

will be temporarily placed onto Schedule I, lol.  The effect that prosecuters can use that designation has a ripple effect that is amazing.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: timelapses]
    #23598795 - 08/31/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you think that's amazing, I believei may be much more jaded than I admit to myself.

I live on the Canadian border and I have seen some dumb shit at customs over the years, banning someone from crossing sweet potatoes because potatoes are illegal to cross. But then the next week she crosses canned yams.

Detaining people for hours questioning dual citizens living in Canada coming to work in America 5-6 days a week, about why they are crossing so much.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23599490 - 08/31/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

Cosmic VOC said:
Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

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Care to share in these trying times? :please: :prettyplease: :puppy:

Edit: "csrd" to "care"

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23600087 - 09/01/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Dea argues that public comment is unnecessary before Kratom ban

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/31/dea-argues-that-public-comment-is-unnecessary-before-kratom-ban/#723c6cdf388b




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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23600324 - 09/01/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

****Update****

The March for Kratom is being held on Sept. 13th, and NOT the former date of Sept. 8th!


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23] * 1
    #23600665 - 09/01/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dude there is only so much i can take before i literally give up on my business and everything in my life and spend the rest of it fighting as hard as i can agaonst this corrupt sneaky leadership in the interests on true public health
  This might be it boys... might have to change my life around.  Feels guilty to stand around watching everyone get fucked in the ass.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: corneliushatt]
    #23600836 - 09/01/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

**Be Advised**

Quote:

People need to start writing letters to the following person. This is the assistant secretary mentioned in the DEA notice and she is the one collecting public comment. You should start out by politely introducing yourself then lead in to how long you have taken Kratom and what for. Then contrast your life before Kratom and after Kratom. Then request they not Schedule this drug until some research can take place because as we all know, once this is added as a Schedule 1, it's not coming off. Mention specific things that are propaganda, such as deaths, getting "high", vs. what you know to be true and site sources for that information. There are studies out there and kratom deserves a chance. If nobody makes noise and all the DEA hears is crickets they are going to continue. They obviously may continue no matter what but at least we can honestly say we tried. Maybe some of these websites for kratom can put this in at webform for people so the letters can be sent out automatically? I may be able to do that later today.

This seems to be the only person that emailing/calling could actually make a difference. Taken from the notice of intent:

From the Notice of intent: "Although the DEA believes this notice of intent to issue a temporary scheduling order is not subject to the notice and comment requirements of section 553 of the APA, the DEA notes that in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4), the Administrator will take into consideration any comments submitted by the Assistant Secretary with regard to the proposed temporary scheduling order."

Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Contact the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH) Phone: 202-690-7694 Email: ASH@hhs.gov Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: http://www.hhs.gov/ash Media Inquiries: ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc.

Karen DeSalvo is the one who needs their inbox flooded with comments. Then, hopefully they will mention how there was uproar before this Notice of intent was even published. There's no indication anywhere else in the Notice of intent that implies considerations to reverse the decision would. They've made their mind up, and the latest CDC report pushed this issue past the point of no return. It all happened very fast once the CDC got involved... When sculpting your message to someone like Karen, it is important to learn a bit about who she is. Here's just a little bit of info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_DeSalvo"




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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23603846 - 09/02/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I just started a petition about this as I could not find one, feel free to take some time and make a better one to share but for now please sign this:

Stop kratoms scheduling sept 30th

Here is another one I just saw: Please do not make Kratom a Schedule I Substance





Bump the second one is doing well, please please do it people! I just got clean off heroin with it and i dont need the kratom to be normal. Just made it painless....


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Jvells]
    #23603975 - 09/02/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bump the second one is doing well, please please do it people! I just got clean off heroin with it and i dont need the kratom to be normal. Just made it painless....




Wow, man, that's GREAT!  Good for you!  :congrats:

Stay clean and well, brother!

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: fivepointer]
    #23603985 - 09/02/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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fivepointer said:
How can Congress delegate law making to a Star Chamber like the DEA?  Only Congress makes laws.  Totally illegal and should be challenged.




Dear filed for it, did not enact it. Anyone can file for laws, Congress gets the power to approve or not.

They will unless petitions go through.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: nuentoter]
    #23604455 - 09/02/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

****Attention****

Quote:

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE OF SIGNING OFF THE EMERGENCY BAN ON KRATOM!

Email asap when possible!

Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington DC 20530-0001

The department may be contacted by phone at the following:

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

Peter J Kadzik
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Contact Office of Legislation Affairs:
202-514-2141

Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison:
202-514-3465

Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration
Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152
Telephone: 202-598-6812

Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc

Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:

Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7694

Jim Esquea

Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)

Telephone: 202-690-7627

Kevin Griffis

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)

Telephone: 202-690-7850

Colleen Barros

Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)

HHS Office of the Secretary

Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7431






Just for the record, we are beginning to win!  Keep fighting!!! 

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: corneliushatt]
    #23605149 - 09/02/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Guess changing your life around means doing things that protesting won't get you locked up to where you can't make significant changes to this corrupt system.  Or maybe just some lifestyle changes.

If you are on board you have all my support as you recognize significant causes.  More power to you.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: timelapses]
    #23605486 - 09/02/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BUMP!

Since apparently we can't get a sticky!!!???

I would really hate if somehow a kratom eater missed all this and wanted any after the 30th.

(Admittedly this thread would be lower in terms of priority than the other, but like i said right above this)


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23605685 - 09/02/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is so so sad. Its saved me from so so much hell right now...and jst in time for classes starting up. Im astounded by how easy it was with how much h i was doing...im not using anything right now. And kratom isnt addictie for me either. Ugh, my motivational levels are top notch now too being clean. So happy and just fuck..damn dea anythin good comes around and we ban it. Didnt we learn from mj?


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Jvells]
    #23605916 - 09/02/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I signed the petition and called the # for the Department of Justice comment line and left a quick story of my ex using kratom to get off heroin and myself using it to kick my alcohol/adderall dependency. 

I've been following the petition and it swelled enormously in 24 hours.  At least the community is there and active and I somewhat hopeful.

This is so sad.  I'm a daily, one-dose user to combat my ADD and depression/anxiety.  I know the DEA will laugh at the petition and will continue to push it to Schedule I status.  I'm already beginning to taper off because at the end of September it will all be over.  :frown:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Grylls]
    #23606214 - 09/02/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

fucking mental people want to ship you out and cart you off...


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Konyap]
    #23606702 - 09/03/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wish that people would do what needs to be done, the tree of liberty is very dry and almost dead. It's time to water it. Enough said.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23606729 - 09/03/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Screw watering it, the tree needs to get uprooted and have all its rotten parts removed, then the entire garden should be re built from the ground up before re planting it.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23607439 - 09/03/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:frown: I just took my morning dose of green vein maeng da and almost shed a damn tear at the thought of this senseless ban. It's been getting a lot of attention on Facebook recently and lots of people are asking what it is used for so I've tried to spread the good informative news as much as possible. I have successfully quit opiates with this wonderful plant.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23607676 - 09/03/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

BoomBoom said:
:frown: I just took my morning dose of green vein maeng da and almost shed a damn tear at the thought of this senseless ban. It's been getting a lot of attention on Facebook recently and lots of people are asking what it is used for so I've tried to spread the good informative news as much as possible. I have successfully quit opiates with this wonderful plant.

Fuckin Freedom and shit.



The sad thing is now I'm considering honestly getting some opiates shich I've used maybe 5 times in my whole life.(each time i used it once a day, no more than 2 days in a row)

Idk, my back pain became fucking unbearable after high school, i became such an anxious nervous trainwreck thay i had to drop out 2nd semester freshman uear in college. I was about to quit both my jobs over it, all this and i could never fall asleep. If i did it never felt like enough. I would sleep 20+ hours and still crave more sleep, just because sleeping meant no pain.

Then my doctor gave me xanax, i went about a month on it before i downed the whole bottle and a handful of dph hoping i would never wake up. Well i did, and had been in a hospital, gave my family a heart attack.

My immediate family wants absolutely nothing to do with me ever since this. They only txt me once every two or three months to satisfy their own sense of "obligation" and to not feel guilty. If ucking hate them.

Then I  decided to try kratom one day. Ok, my life is shit and i have absolutely nothing to live for (no motivation to have sex or even find a girlfriend, yeah it would be nice but I've never seen any poind since we're all gonna end up in the dirt sometime with no warning) but this kratom is pretty good.

I started using it, i realized my life is a load of shit and i hate everything about it, but with kratom i could just put these thoughts off long enough to get through a work shift. I could finally live.

2 years of daily kratom use and i have 2 jobs (one full time one part time) and i helped a coworker start up a business. I work an average of 20 hours a day now. God work sucks but i can at least afford shit now.

Remember how i said i would sleep 20+hours and only crave more? With kratom i can work 20 hours one day, get home, eat shower and 3 hours till i have to work another 20 hours. I find that getting up and dosing a little in the middle of the night can make even a 2 hour nap feel like i slept through a full day. It's amazing.

And now it's all gone. I already plan on quitting the part time job and have no clue what to do from there.


I really don't no what I'm going to do in a couple weeks. The pain is going to come back like never before in the last 5 years and it really scares me. The thoughts are already flooding in like a waterfall that  again i have nothing to live for and this time i won't even have that little bit of sunshine that let me handle these thoughts.

I really fucking hate my country and would only laugh if another 9/11 happened. Clearly our own nation doesn't give a shit about it's citizens so afaic it can go fuck itself.


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23607827 - 09/03/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My college teacher for a state and local government course (the ex mayor of springfield) I had to take showed up on my tv the other day running for sheriff and going on about how serious this opioid epidemic is and how we need to "start saving lives"...I emailed him about how i was in his class and how much kratom helped me...gave him the list of all the people enacting this bull (the list tripp23 gave) and sent the petition to him so he can see the sources of how it's causing deaths to rise...explained how its an antioxidant...just did the best i can man...let's hope he takes the next step if he truly cares to do some research or anything.

My next step is to email these people in tripp23's contact list. Thank you for that...


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23607844 - 09/03/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BUMP FOR IMPORTANCE

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****Attention****

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THESE ARE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE OF SIGNING OFF THE EMERGENCY BAN ON KRATOM!

Email asap when possible!

Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington DC 20530-0001

The department may be contacted by phone at the following:

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

Peter J Kadzik
Assistant Attorney General
Contact Office of Legislation Affairs:
202-514-2141

Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison:
202-514-3465

Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration
Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152
Telephone: 202-598-6812

Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc

Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:

Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7694

Jim Esquea

Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)

Telephone: 202-690-7627

Kevin Griffis

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)

Telephone: 202-690-7850

Colleen Barros

Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)

HHS Office of the Secretary

Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7431






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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Jvells]
    #23607892 - 09/03/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I emailed the two people in that list with emails and poured by heart out about how serious this is again including facts. People please do what you can with the information provided here...this WILL SAVE LIVES.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD.


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