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Offlinetripp23
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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23597371 - 08/31/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23597524 - 08/31/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How can Congress delegate law making to a Star Chamber like the DEA?  Only Congress makes laws.  Totally illegal and should be challenged.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: fivepointer]
    #23597584 - 08/31/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They probably have some BS rights to "emergency schedule" "serious national health concerns" or some bullshit like that...

I totally agree in theory though, I wish there were more ways to challenge stupid decisions like this.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: fivepointer]
    #23597586 - 08/31/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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fivepointer said:
How can Congress delegate law making to a Star Chamber like the DEA?  Only Congress makes laws.  Totally illegal and should be challenged.




Exactly what I thought all along!!!!!!!!  It just seems so wrong!!  I'm not by any means an expert on human law.. but this just doesn't seem right to me..

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It is now more important than ever to contact people in the position to help. In order of what we think is most effective, please contact the following:

1. Most importantly, contact the office of the Assistant Secretary for Health, Karen B. DeSalvo. She is specifically identified in the DEA's intent to file as someone who is collecting comments and whose opinion they will take into consideration. Calls will most certainly be most effective - ask to leave a message regarding the banning of kratom.

2. Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH)
Phone: 202-690-7694
Email: ASH@hhs.gov
Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: http://www.hhs.gov/ashMediaInquiries:ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc.

2. Also, find the contact information for your Congressional Representatives using this link:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/




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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23597678 - 08/31/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Basically means it's about to be illegal


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23597860 - 08/31/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: spacechimp]
    #23598137 - 08/31/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Cosmic VOC] * 1
    #23598155 - 08/31/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Cosmic VOC said:
Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23598250 - 08/31/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good call Nature Boy. I am planning on hitting a local smoke shop and getting some today after I'm off. I as well have never tried kratom and know next to nothing about dosing but again, fuck the DEA.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23598625 - 08/31/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Quote:

Cosmic VOC said:
Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

N.B.




Maybe this is a ploy by the DEA to pump and dump the Kratom market, which they have secretly cornered...


Who are you working for???  :tinfoil:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23598705 - 08/31/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If anything this is a ploy to get the kratom market cornered and regulated.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23598740 - 08/31/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

will be temporarily placed onto Schedule I, lol.  The effect that prosecuters can use that designation has a ripple effect that is amazing.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: timelapses]
    #23598795 - 08/31/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you think that's amazing, I believei may be much more jaded than I admit to myself.

I live on the Canadian border and I have seen some dumb shit at customs over the years, banning someone from crossing sweet potatoes because potatoes are illegal to cross. But then the next week she crosses canned yams.

Detaining people for hours questioning dual citizens living in Canada coming to work in America 5-6 days a week, about why they are crossing so much.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23599490 - 08/31/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

Cosmic VOC said:
Petition signed. Fuck the DEA.
Second damn line.




Ditto.  Plus I placed a "fuck you DEA" order for 8 ounces...and I have no need or desire for it.  Never tried it before and don't even know how to dose it.  Just a fuck you/how dare you motherfuckers gesture.  Everybody should do the same.  My recommendation:  Get it while you can - just in case the march/petition fails.

N.B.



Care to share in these trying times? :please: :prettyplease: :puppy:

Edit: "csrd" to "care"

Good god i cannot type late at night. :rofl:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23600087 - 09/01/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Dea argues that public comment is unnecessary before Kratom ban

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/31/dea-argues-that-public-comment-is-unnecessary-before-kratom-ban/#723c6cdf388b




Time to revolt!


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23600324 - 09/01/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

****Update****

The March for Kratom is being held on Sept. 13th, and NOT the former date of Sept. 8th!


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23] * 1
    #23600665 - 09/01/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dude there is only so much i can take before i literally give up on my business and everything in my life and spend the rest of it fighting as hard as i can agaonst this corrupt sneaky leadership in the interests on true public health
  This might be it boys... might have to change my life around.  Feels guilty to stand around watching everyone get fucked in the ass.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: corneliushatt]
    #23600836 - 09/01/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

**Be Advised**

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People need to start writing letters to the following person. This is the assistant secretary mentioned in the DEA notice and she is the one collecting public comment. You should start out by politely introducing yourself then lead in to how long you have taken Kratom and what for. Then contrast your life before Kratom and after Kratom. Then request they not Schedule this drug until some research can take place because as we all know, once this is added as a Schedule 1, it's not coming off. Mention specific things that are propaganda, such as deaths, getting "high", vs. what you know to be true and site sources for that information. There are studies out there and kratom deserves a chance. If nobody makes noise and all the DEA hears is crickets they are going to continue. They obviously may continue no matter what but at least we can honestly say we tried. Maybe some of these websites for kratom can put this in at webform for people so the letters can be sent out automatically? I may be able to do that later today.

This seems to be the only person that emailing/calling could actually make a difference. Taken from the notice of intent:

From the Notice of intent: "Although the DEA believes this notice of intent to issue a temporary scheduling order is not subject to the notice and comment requirements of section 553 of the APA, the DEA notes that in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4), the Administrator will take into consideration any comments submitted by the Assistant Secretary with regard to the proposed temporary scheduling order."

Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Contact the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH) Phone: 202-690-7694 Email: ASH@hhs.gov Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: http://www.hhs.gov/ash Media Inquiries: ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc.

Karen DeSalvo is the one who needs their inbox flooded with comments. Then, hopefully they will mention how there was uproar before this Notice of intent was even published. There's no indication anywhere else in the Notice of intent that implies considerations to reverse the decision would. They've made their mind up, and the latest CDC report pushed this issue past the point of no return. It all happened very fast once the CDC got involved... When sculpting your message to someone like Karen, it is important to learn a bit about who she is. Here's just a little bit of info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_DeSalvo"




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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23603846 - 09/02/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
I just started a petition about this as I could not find one, feel free to take some time and make a better one to share but for now please sign this:

Stop kratoms scheduling sept 30th

Here is another one I just saw: Please do not make Kratom a Schedule I Substance





Bump the second one is doing well, please please do it people! I just got clean off heroin with it and i dont need the kratom to be normal. Just made it painless....


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Jvells]
    #23603975 - 09/02/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Jvells said:
Bump the second one is doing well, please please do it people! I just got clean off heroin with it and i dont need the kratom to be normal. Just made it painless....




Wow, man, that's GREAT!  Good for you!  :congrats:

Stay clean and well, brother!

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