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OfflinePeyote Road
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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23593921 - 08/30/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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nooneman said:
Game over for kratom in the US. Temporary scheduling is the kiss of death.

Don't worry too much though: I'm sure it'll still be available on DNM. Hell, there'll probably be huge DNM demand for it.

Also, fuck the DEA.



Will they really risk mailing something so fucking bulky? Im curious as to what the weights are within the scheduling.

Is 1 g a felony amount? Or 10g?




Hey if they mail cannabis I'm sure they will mail kratom. Also, I'm sure they will start selling kratom extracts which are a lot less bulky.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #23593926 - 08/30/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A general question about the DEA.  They have the ability both to determine which drugs are scheduled and to prosecute use/sale of said drugs.  This essentially gives them both executive and legislative authority does it not?  Is this a common trait among government agencies?  It seems to me like this might show a lack of checks and balances.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23593990 - 08/30/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Would it be possible to sue the DEA over this?


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23594003 - 08/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is highly upsetting. My quality of life has improved due to Kratom existence. My headaches have lessened and overall enjoyment of life will take the plunge now. Im a daily user of Kratom so I guess I'll have to start a slow taper. Just recently my alcoholic friend switched to Kratom and hasn't had a drink in over a month!

Goddamn.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23594036 - 08/30/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's all part of the plan.  So the Military Intelligence complex can produce, smuggle and sell kratom and kratom isolates (also semi-synthetic).  The isolates have a huge profit potential.  Plus all the wars people are gonna fight over this drug.  Has a higher affinity than heroin.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23594323 - 08/30/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's only when you consider the DEA as protecting the economic interests of the US Government that their actions begin to make any sense.  Calling Kratom a schedule 1 substance is a clearly intentional mislabeling by an organization who profits from the pharmaceutical materials which are being routinely moved into the US by military forces from the natural habitat in afghstan. 

Those materials coming in with the army are diverted toward pharmaceutical companies producing hospital supplies of morphine and codeine and their derivatives which are oh-so-popular drugs of abuse in the USA.  But they are also diverted toward heroin production.  Heroin is one helluva way to control a population, the system has been in place for decades.  The opium wars.  Read up on what the Opium Wars were really about.  British colonials pushing opium on to the Chinese in order to conscript their labor and forced unfair trade via blackmailing and addiction.

So it makes sense that Kratom with its ability to alleviate addiction to opiates, thus reducing the demand of the government smack/oxy, would be viewed as nothing other than an economic threat, and thus actions would be taken to prevent its free availability in the market.  It is a ploy to keep people addicted to heroin and oxycodone, to protect the business they are already invested heavily in.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Achuma]
    #23594515 - 08/30/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im literally gonna start a riot.  this stuff has been the biggest godsend in my life.  mark my words, I will start world war 3 over this. Literally.

So how long will it be "temporary" placed schedule one? 

I despise how literally no one has any say in the matter.. straight up bullshit.  Fucking faggots.

What will happen to the millions of vendors selling???


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594526 - 08/30/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rather people stayed hooked on heroin i guess, maybe they're making too much money on it, and enjoying watching many ruin and shorten their lives, set of bastards.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594789 - 08/30/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So how long will it be "temporary" placed schedule one?




There's nothing "temporary" about it.  It goes from temporary to permanent.  No drug - and I mean NO DRUG which was ever the subject of a "temporary" Schedule 1 classification ever was rolled back and made legal ever again.  It's really much more akin to an "emergency" scheduling that then becomes permanent.

Fucking DEA.  Sometimes I think they WANT to make things worse-that it is part of their agenda to demonize all psychoactive substances...in fact, I'm convinced of it.  Make MJ illegal so people default to Spice.  Scheduling natural substances has always made things worse, NOT better.

Mother fucking cock suckers.

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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23594837 - 08/30/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)


Petition against Kratom Schedule one

https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpetitions.whitehouse.gov%2Fpetition%2Fplease-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance&h=8AQFnSliL&s=1

Apparently the Attorney General signs this into law.  If possibly we get enough people to message them about the issue, maybe they will decline the opposition.

Attorney General:

https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gov%2Fdoj%2Fwebform%2Fyour-message-department-justice&h=bAQH6DYcU&s=1

Please donate so we can hire a well connected, experienced attorney in DEA matters, a federal lobbying firm AND a public relations firm.. link below..

http://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2FWww.americankratom.org%2Fdonate&h=OAQF-fLer&enc=AZN_L1tF6_r6efhEFUkiCg7PbenpgIfP7I5dp2mCaKkSyFDV4eDzLjrs7uWhcrvaXb4&s=1


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tripp23]
    #23594924 - 08/30/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

totally not :barbershreds:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: lurkmode]
    #23594977 - 08/30/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This could be really bad for the DEA. They are already in deep shit after coke, hookers, leonheart resigning, and failing to reschedule mj. If they keep fucking us over, especially with cannabis rapidly approaching legalization... well it could be the straw that breaks the camels back type deal. This could be a really big mistake for them.

At the very least if they continue to make bad decisions that negatively affect public health they could loose a lot of funding.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: FractalMind]
    #23595085 - 08/30/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

remember guys if you want to kill yourselves you can just purchase alcohol or tobbacco actually you don't even need to try just be anywhere in the general vicinity


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Konyap]
    #23595208 - 08/30/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The cracks have been forming for a long time. Eventually no one will give two fucks about their schedules.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23595273 - 08/30/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The cracks have been forming for a long time. Eventually no one will give two fucks about their schedules.




Its like when the FDA says something is or isn't safe to eat :rolleyes:


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23595308 - 08/30/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to vomit. This is the most absurd thing I've seen those piggies do in my life time.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Myco_illogic]
    #23595403 - 08/30/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Inner source:

This notice was posted today.  Their is a 30 day window from this point for public comment.

IF nothing changes, Kratom will be added to the Schedule 1 drug list on September 30th.

The DEA has began the process.

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I will update as much as I can for those of who would like to help.  We can beat this.  When I see the main plan, I will post.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23595503 - 08/30/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking U.S. following the God damn U.K. with their substance banning, I hope all 8 states legalize marijuana this year, so the fucking DEA will be pissed.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: tdubz]
    #23595662 - 08/30/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For most every plant on the list, you would need concentrates and a death wish. Major damage was not going to happen on accident.

And, yeah, that kind of person can abuse it. :nono:

It would typically be adequate not to give that person a social promotion, to drive buses or perform brain surgeries.


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Re: Forbes: DEA files for temporary scheduling of Kratom and It's bioactive components. [Re: durian_2008]
    #23596402 - 08/31/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, the threat of impending scheduling caused me to place an order while it's still legal.  Now I just have to learn what to do with it!  Damn the fucking DEA.

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