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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: qman]
    #23599828 - 09/01/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/

"at least $15 billion and as much as $25 billion"




That's probably just for initial infrastructure costs. Think of the long-term costs associated with it. Repair, upkeep, guarding an entire 3,000 mile border 24/7 won't be cheap. It'll be a continuous investment that won't end at $25 billion, there will be continuous costs being added to it to keep it running.

Then you'd probably also have to hire animal conservationists and specialists and geographers since these walls would most certainly affect the land and migration of certain species.

A lot of this land runs through private property too, so these properties would either have to be seized or bought out at a price.

Probably the biggest costs are going to come from the border guard's salaries, their weapons, and all the high-tech technology they will be using to detect human bodies and drugs and things of that nature. Some of those machines are hundreds of thousands of dollars, even millions of dollars for one item. This is going to be much more expensive in the end than the actual building of the physical wall.

I mean, you HAVE to guard the wall, because if you aren't, it won't be effective, it'll just be a waste of money.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: qman]
    #23599831 - 09/01/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Illegals broke the law by not returning back to their homeland, you know I can't go live in Australia because there are immigration laws.




Australia actually has loose immigration laws, a lot of "boat people" rowing in from places like Bangladesh and Nepal come over to the country illegally and are eventually granted legal residence.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Kinko]
    #23599839 - 09/01/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.

I agree companies should be punished for hiring them.


Stimulation doesnt work.Only complete morons with no grasp on economics think stiulation works. Obama is a cancer and we aew about to get a second tumor since americans tend to vote major party because they dont want to' waste their vote'.



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saudi Arabia and Pakistan both have enormous border walls.
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illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.




What do you do for work?  :wonka:

Nothing you'd have to pass a literacy test for, I'm sure.



Ive actually got something substansial in the works that Im not comfotable to talk about yet.



So your unemployed you are worse than blacks and illegals.




LOL. I've always said and suspected that he is so vocal about lazy leeches because he is insecure about his own self. That's how it always is. It's always the poor people on food stamps who are loudest about criticizing other poor people on food stamps.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23599860 - 09/01/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This title would be more apt if we are comparing trump to the wall dividing east and west Germany.


Also anyone that think he will get "Mexico to  pay for it" is sorely mistaken.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23599864 - 09/01/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Illegals broke the law by not returning back to their homeland, you know I can't go live in Australia because there are immigration laws.




Australia actually has loose immigration laws, a lot of "boat people" rowing in from places like Bangladesh and Nepal come over to the country illegally and are eventually granted legal residence.



Lolwut. Australia sends them back, or to some remote atoll in the pacific . It's quite a scandal actually. They do not grant asylum to anyone arriving by boat. Australia has extremely tight immigration control mainly because they have the luxury of being a remote island .

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28189608
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When asylum seekers reach Australia by boat, they are not held in Australia while their claims are processed.
Instead, they are sent to an offshore processing centre. Currently Australia has one such centre on the Pacific island nation of Nauru and another on Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.
Even if these asylum seekers are found to be refugees, they are not allowed to be settled in Australia. They may be settled in Nauru or Papua New Guinea, and four were settled in Cambodia at a reported cost of A$55m (£28m, $42m).




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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23599868 - 09/01/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not? Because rope ladders, tunnels, and ocean rafting up to the coastlines? Because it's not cost-effective? Or do you just think walls are ineffective physical deterrents in general? And I also want to know what you think the Ancient Chinese should have done differently in regards to invading Mongols.




It's literally a child's solution to solving a political problem.

For one, because it's not cost-effective. I listed several problems with the wall a couple of posts back.

Technology and society was a lot different in the BC era back when the Great Wall was built, and we don't have people invading our country on horseback with bows and arrows anymore like the Chinese did back then.

What is wrong with adding more funds to support ICE hunting them down and deporting them? According to figures, Obama has deported far more illegal immigrants than Bush ever did.

It seems that Trump is trying to gain presidency by feigning a problem when there really isn't one. Based on figures, we are doing just fine in terms of solving the immigration problem.

And I concur with the poster above me ,who said that Trump's wall idea is more similar to the Berlin Wall than it is to the Great Wall.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23599870 - 09/01/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Lolwut. Australia sends them back, or to some remote atoll in the pacific . It's quite a scandal actually. They do not grant asylum to anyone arriving by boat. Australia has extremely tight immigration control mainly because they have the luxury of being a remote island .

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28189608
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When asylum seekers reach Australia by boat, they are not held in Australia while their claims are processed.
Instead, they are sent to an offshore processing centre. Currently Australia has one such centre on the Pacific island nation of Nauru and another on Manus Island in Papua New Guinea.
Even if these asylum seekers are found to be refugees, they are not allowed to be settled in Australia. They may be settled in Nauru or Papua New Guinea, and four were settled in Cambodia at a reported cost of A$55m (£28m, $42m).







Oh, they must have changed the laws in recent years. It didn't used to be like that.

I'm reading that the laws did change, boat people are now all considered illegals as of 2013: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370225/Australia-bans-illegal-boat-refugees-settling-country-warns-new-unauthorised-asylum-seekers-sent-Papua-New-Guinea.html


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23599872 - 09/01/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL. I've always said and suspected that he is so vocal about lazy leeches because he is insecure about his own self. That's how it always is. It's always the poor people on food stamps who are loudest about criticizing other poor people on food stamps.



More than once on this site I've seen people bitching about the welfare queens and lazy negroes they  see all the time down at the welfare office, completely lacking in any self awareness. I called one guy out for his hypocrisy, and he said he wasn't like that, he needed assistance because he wasn't working.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23599881 - 09/01/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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More than once on this site I've seen people bitching about the welfare queens and lazy negroes they  see all the time down at the welfare office, completely lacking in any self awareness. I called one guy out for his hypocrisy, and he said he wasn't like that, he needed assistance because he wasn't working.




I have friends like that. People who bitch the most and the loudest about lazy welfare scum. These people are on welfare themselves, some of them even have 3 kids on welfare. Like "Bitch, I know you're a college student and your wife's a waitress and you're living in Southern California, there's no way your kids aren't on food stamps and government healthcare and those kind of programs."

Hey you know what though, that's what these programs are for, and I'm personally glad that they were able to get help. I'd much rather see that than children begging on the streets, dumpster diving for food, and dying because of lack of adequate medical care. Which seems to be what Republicans want.

Personally, I think it's a psychological self-guilt phenomenon. People feel so subconsciously guilty about being on welfare, or being unemployed themselves, that they try to dissociate themselves from the "other" evil people on welfare. They're not like those OTHER people on welfare, they're decent people unlike those OTHER ghetto ratchet hood rats.

It's ironic too because only a small percentage of our taxes are going towards these types of people. The bulk of our taxes actually go to old people or disabled people for Social Security and Medicare, and to fund our wars and the military.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23600287 - 09/01/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Kinko said:
A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/

"at least $15 billion and as much as $25 billion"




That's probably just for initial infrastructure costs. Think of the long-term costs associated with it. Repair, upkeep, guarding an entire 3,000 mile border 24/7 won't be cheap. It'll be a continuous investment that won't end at $25 billion, there will be continuous costs being added to it to keep it running.

Then you'd probably also have to hire animal conservationists and specialists and geographers since these walls would most certainly affect the land and migration of certain species.

A lot of this land runs through private property too, so these properties would either have to be seized or bought out at a price.

Probably the biggest costs are going to come from the border guard's salaries, their weapons, and all the high-tech technology they will be using to detect human bodies and drugs and things of that nature. Some of those machines are hundreds of thousands of dollars, even millions of dollars for one item. This is going to be much more expensive in the end than the actual building of the physical wall.

I mean, you HAVE to guard the wall, because if you aren't, it won't be effective, it'll just be a waste of money.




So guarding the wall will cost money?  Yeah, we already know that, you know that Clinton wants to also increase patrols on the Southern border?  That will also cost more money, do you have an issue with that as well?

Illegals and their children cost over $130 billion per year, allocating $2-3 billion per year for border enforcement offers an excellent return on investment for US taxpayers.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23600365 - 09/01/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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qman said:
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Kinko said:
A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/

"at least $15 billion and as much as $25 billion"




That's probably just for initial infrastructure costs. Think of the long-term costs associated with it. Repair, upkeep, guarding an entire 3,000 mile border 24/7 won't be cheap. It'll be a continuous investment that won't end at $25 billion, there will be continuous costs being added to it to keep it running. 





so you're saying the wall needs highways, bridges, sewers, water and electricity,
maybe a few schools to educate the wall.



tell us, what's the life expectancy of concrete that's not maintained? how much
does repair to concrete cost? what's involved in it's maintenance and those costs


how much do we spend each year on border patrol and customs agents each year that
are working inland, hundreds of mills from the border doing checkpoints to ask US
citizens of they're illegals while allowing anyone with dark skin to drive on
because they dont want to racially profile. wouldnt it be pretty easy to just
relocate those agents a bit closer to the border, maybe to say... walk the wall?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23600422 - 09/01/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The bulk of our taxes actually go to old people or disabled people for Social Security and Medicare, and to fund our wars and the military.





maybe if billy clintoon hadnt robbed social security it would have still been a
government established retirement account that people paid into and expected to
get something back out of... oh wait, you didnt know that social security is
taken from a paycheck as social security and not simply as a tax?

yep. it's not your tax dollars supporting old people, it's the old people's tax
money that they paid in that are supporting them


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23600789 - 09/01/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There is a price oint for picking our food. The wafes are kept low by the abundance of cheap ilegal labor. Te idea we wouldnt pick our food is so stupid. It needs done and along with government interferance, illegals skew wages and prices.

Liberals dont know economics


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23601163 - 09/01/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

potamus, what a silly thread title

a topic about a real life great wall vs a wall that doesn't even exist and came into the political realm nationally by some wannabe oompa loompa :nonono:
Great thread potamus :thumbup:
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23601190 - 09/01/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The wall would also feature underground and above ground sensors, along with aerial surveillance. That would address and rectify the problem of tunneling and other forms of sabotage and shenanigans to try to get around the wall illegally.


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    #23601290 - 09/01/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol...you guys crack me up. Yep....that's gonna be one  sum bitchin wall!:laugh2:


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23601315 - 09/01/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The wall would also feature underground and above ground sensors, along with aerial surveillance. That would address and rectify the problem of tunneling and other forms of sabotage and shenanigans to try to get around the wall illegally.



Smugglers will just smash holes in the wall.

What about areas where they will need to provide a path for drainage. You can't just dam up streams with a wall. The water needs to be able to follow its natural course.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23601361 - 09/01/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hole smashers will be detained and charged with destruction. The holes will be patched. And drainage can be done with steel grates over the openings. Any more questions?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23601653 - 09/01/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

we should just lock them up for a decade or something if we catch them. The whole idea we are a 'melting pot' is fucking stupid. A country with no culture isnt a country, and liberals have diluted and destroyed american culture

Fuck liberals. They are fucking retarded. Even the smart ones


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23601674 - 09/01/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

*especially the smart ones
It takes a special kind of heavy duty delusion to be so stupid despite being so well-educated. The poorly-educated at least have an excuse for their ignorance.


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