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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23593008 - 08/30/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23593012 - 08/30/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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These are similar to the reservations I first imagined you would have, and hard figures
are difficult to come by regarding # of rapists in the US, but especially Mexico,
or the number of illegal US->Mexico crossings. Proving, over history, whether more
rapists went US->Mexico or Mexico->US is impossible with current data. I listed some
general points and its clear you will hold on to your preconceived notion and I onto mine
(also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Rape_statistics_by_country)




but the numbers are so super hard to come by about mexico and here you are citing
a wiki page claiming to have those numbers. do you think those numbers are false?
if the numbers from mexico are only the people that were brave enough or didnt get
forced to marry their rapist so that the rapist wouldnt be imprisoned, how do you
think that affects the numbers

but wait, didnt I also say that maybe trump is right, that the rapists are coming
to the US, probably because it's easy picking here, liberals are all about
welcoming rapists, murderers and other violent criminals into everyone elses home

http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/21/report-released-criminal-aliens-committed-nearly-10xs-crimes-obama-admin-told-congress/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ice-releases-19723-criminal-illegals-208-convicted-of-murder-900-of-sex-crimes/article/2589785


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Kinko]
    #23593017 - 08/30/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.





so about the amount that illegals suck from americans each year but this wall would
only have to be paid for once as opposed to each individual year


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23593110 - 08/30/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We dont even konow how many illegals we have because they are ilegal

Rogan says, living where he does, he woldnt be suprised if there werre millions more then we estimate. they just poor over

we dont need a wall, we need drones and we need to make the punishment for coming ovber terrible

I would get years in prison if I did the same to them


Edited by specialpeopleclub (08/30/16 10:34 AM)


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23593128 - 08/30/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinko said:
A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.





so about the amount that illegals suck from americans each year but this wall would
only have to be paid for once as opposed to each individual year



I agree one hundred percent but someone posted it would only take 50 billion..  Maybe that's a projection but we all know the massive wall will cost quite a bit.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23593135 - 08/30/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We dont e en konow how many illegals we have because they are ilegal

Rogan says, living where he does, he woldnt be suprised if there werre millions more then we estimate. hey just poor over

we dont need a wall, we need drones and we need to make th punishment for coming ovber terrible

I would get years in prison if I did the same to them, i



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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23593158 - 08/30/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Illegals" that are already here and have done no wrong and work hard for a living should be given the chance to become a citizen so then they can be taxed for their hard work like the rest of us.

The sleezy companies that hire them should be held accountable for their greed from underpaying them and avoiding taxes themselves...like Trump's enterprises.

This wall idea is ridiculous and will never come to fruition...walls are built out of fear...same as emotional walls. They work both ways...not only keep people out but hold others in. And, @ Asante...you can't compare Hitlers wartime economic machine to one wall across a couple states. At best, a few major contractors will get the contracts and use employees already in their companies. We live in an age of amazing machinery today that will limit the # of actual humans working on the project. My guess is that it would be mostly poured concrete that uses people to set the forms and machinery for almost everything else.You won't be putting that many people to work that weren't already working. And, besides....Obama has done more in his presidency to try to stimulate the economy by increasing spending on infrastructure.....more money, I am sure than a stupid wall would cost.

@ Pris...The rapists in Mexico are too busy raping the poor illegals trying to enter this country...,.they have a target rich environment....why on earth would they want to move here?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Kinko]
    #23593210 - 08/30/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinko said:
A wall that massive would cost anywhere in the ballpark of 300-600 billion dollars.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/

"at least $15 billion and as much as $25 billion"


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23593212 - 08/30/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"Illegals" that are already here and have done no wrong and work hard for a living should be given the chance to become a citizen so then they can be taxed for their hard work like the rest of us.

The sleezy companies that hire them should be held accountable for their greed from underpaying them and avoiding taxes themselves...like Trump's enterprises.

This wall idea is ridiculous and will never come to fruition...walls are built out of fear...same as emotional walls. They work both ways...not only keep people out but hold others in. And, @ Asante...you can't compare Hitlers wartime economic machine to one wall across a couple states. At best, a few major contractors will get the contracts and use employees already in their companies. We live in an age of amazing machinery today that will limit the # of actual humans working on the project. My guess is that it would be mostly poured concrete that uses people to set the forms and machinery for almost everything else.You won't be putting that many people to work that weren't already working. And, besides....Obama has done more in his presidency to try to stimulate the economy by increasing spending on infrastructure.....more money, I am sure than a stupid wall would cost.

@ Pris...The rapists in Mexico are too busy raping the poor illegals trying to enter this country...,.they have a target rich environment....why on earth would they want to move here?



illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.

I agree companies should be punished for hiring them.


Stimulation doesnt work.Only complete morons with no grasp on economics think stiulation works. Obama is a cancer and we aew about to get a second tumor since americans tend to vote major party because they dont want to' waste their vote'.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: qman]
    #23593214 - 08/30/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I know its gonna take 15 billion to knock down the old shitty wall and build a massive enough good enough to repel illegals after all its only about 1900 miles long.:bathtub40lol:


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23593219 - 08/30/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.




What do you do for work?  :wonka:

Nothing you'd have to pass a literacy test for, I'm sure.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23593225 - 08/30/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
Fuck, why do my posts turn into Great Walls :wow:

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qman said:
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Crumist said:
Has a rapist ever crossed the US-Mexico border? Yes
Which direction were they probably (calculated by comparing rapists crossing Mexico->US and
vice versa) headed? South.
Was Trumps statement a gross mischaracterization? Yes, intuitively, undocumented
immigrants will behave much better in the states than native citizens, for fear of being deported




"behave much better in the states than native citizens"

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/illegal-immigrants-accounted-for-nearly-37-percent-of-federal-sentences-in-fy-2014/




The flagrant issue there is that crime is almost always a state matter... Except when it involves
a foreign national  :facepalm3:  If any group (exception being men) was committing close to that percentage of crimes, I'd grab my gun and help you run that group out, I swear.

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The numbers are doctored.




The $130 billion figure AFAIK comes from here http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
Im still making my way through the PDF, but I have some big reservations
about their methodology and leaning towards your opinion so far. Here are
some summarized criticisms (which I haven't read, only searched for to prevent biasing myself)
of the paper https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/statistical-hot-air-fair%e2%80%99s-usa-report-lacks-credibility

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So your solution is to reward any person in the world to cross the Southern border
and make them a US citizen?  :huxleyfacepalm:

So what is the point of even having a country called the United States?  What is the point
of US citizenship?  It all becomes meaningless under your approach.




I never called for making them citizens.

Rather than focusing on morality (btw, what happens to morality when refugees, especially
children, fleeing violence and religious persecution are seeking entry?) How about economics?
Clearly there is a need for all those workers for them to risk crossing the border (which is, objectively,
increasingly dangerous and difficult) here in the US. Lets document the fuckers and permit
some actual research and transparency on the subject. Plus moar taxe$! We need an expanded guest
worker program, denying entry to a small lottery and uber-educated foreigners is clearly not cutting it.

Or do you not care about the legality at all? Even Trump argues for allowing "them" to come here legally.

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We don't need more people entering the US labor market, how's employment going for black and Hispanic US citizens?  It's a fucking disaster and you want illegals coming in a taking their jobs while depressing wages. :facepalm:

"Plus more taxes"

Their shit low paying jobs contribute very little to the tax base, they use 8 times more in tax revenue that they contribute, that's a shitty outcome.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Kinko]
    #23593232 - 08/30/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes I know its gonna take 15 billion to knock down the old shitty wall and build a massive enough good enough to repel illegals after all its only about 1900 miles long.:bathtub40lol:




You're clueless, leave the thread.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #23593239 - 08/30/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I never heard of any one other then a white person speak of this supposed "shame" we all want you to feel. Where does this idea even stem from?



Exactly. It's white people feeling sorry for themselves because they don't run absolutely everything in government or business


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23593241 - 08/30/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

saudi Arabia and Pakistan both have enormous border walls.
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illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.




What do you do for work?  :wonka:

Nothing you'd have to pass a literacy test for, I'm sure.



Ive actually got something substansial in the works that Im not comfotable to talk about yet.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23593245 - 08/30/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"Illegals" that are already here and have done no wrong and work hard for a living should be given the chance to become a citizen so then they can be taxed for their hard work like the rest of us.

The sleezy companies that hire them should be held accountable for their greed from underpaying them and avoiding taxes themselves...like Trump's enterprises.

This wall idea is ridiculous and will never come to fruition...walls are built out of fear...same as emotional walls. They work both ways...not only keep people out but hold others in. And, @ Asante...you can't compare Hitlers wartime economic machine to one wall across a couple states. At best, a few major contractors will get the contracts and use employees already in their companies. We live in an age of amazing machinery today that will limit the # of actual humans working on the project. My guess is that it would be mostly poured concrete that uses people to set the forms and machinery for almost everything else.You won't be putting that many people to work that weren't already working. And, besides....Obama has done more in his presidency to try to stimulate the economy by increasing spending on infrastructure.....more money, I am sure than a stupid wall would cost.

@ Pris...The rapists in Mexico are too busy raping the poor illegals trying to enter this country...,.they have a target rich environment....why on earth would they want to move here?




Illegals broke the law by not returning back to their homeland, you know I can't go live in Australia because there are immigration laws.

Why should people who broke the law be allowed to become a US citizen, why do you want to piss on all the people who go through the LEGAL process of becoming a US citizen?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23593246 - 08/30/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you're not comfotable it must be very substansial.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23593249 - 08/30/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Thayendanegea said:
"Illegals" that are already here and have done no wrong and work hard for a living should be given the chance to become a citizen so then they can be taxed for their hard work like the rest of us.

The sleezy companies that hire them should be held accountable for their greed from underpaying them and avoiding taxes themselves...like Trump's enterprises.

This wall idea is ridiculous and will never come to fruition...walls are built out of fear...same as emotional walls. They work both ways...not only keep people out but hold others in. And, @ Asante...you can't compare Hitlers wartime economic machine to one wall across a couple states. At best, a few major contractors will get the contracts and use employees already in their companies. We live in an age of amazing machinery today that will limit the # of actual humans working on the project. My guess is that it would be mostly poured concrete that uses people to set the forms and machinery for almost everything else.You won't be putting that many people to work that weren't already working. And, besides....Obama has done more in his presidency to try to stimulate the economy by increasing spending on infrastructure.....more money, I am sure than a stupid wall would cost.

@ Pris...The rapists in Mexico are too busy raping the poor illegals trying to enter this country...,.they have a target rich environment....why on earth would they want to move here?



illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.

I agree companies should be punished for hiring them.


Stimulation doesnt work.Only complete morons with no grasp on economics think stiulation works. Obama is a cancer and we aew about to get a second tumor since americans tend to vote major party because they dont want to' waste their vote'.



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saudi Arabia and Pakistan both have enormous border walls.
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specialpeopleclub said:
illegals are parisites and the myth of them being hard working is like saying blacks are a hard working people.




What do you do for work?  :wonka:

Nothing you'd have to pass a literacy test for, I'm sure.



Ive actually got something substansial in the works that Im not comfotable to talk about yet.



So your unemployed you are worse than blacks and illegals.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Kinko]
    #23593268 - 08/30/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have been employed. The money Im living off of is my own money
Im taking steps so my next employment can have more prospects.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23593285 - 08/30/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
I never heard of any one other then a white person speak of this supposed "shame" we all want you to feel. Where does this idea even stem from?



Exactly. It's white people feeling sorry for themselves because they don't run absolutely everything in government or business




Lol. What a Koods thing to say


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