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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616169 - 09/05/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just because someone has some conspiracy theories underneath their belt, doesn't necesarrily mean they are wrong.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23616209 - 09/05/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Way to wriggle out from under that one. I'm telling you where the reflexive response of calling people conspiracy theorists originated from. It's trained into you via control and manipulation of the public psyche which forms a sort of "consensus reality". You are under a spell, essentially.
Yes, but you're ending this with the incorrect premise that simply because something is a conspiracy theory and goes against the status quo, it is therefore correct and accurate.
Look at Prisoner, he's about as conservative as you, yet doesn't believe in any conspiracy theory nonsense. Whether someone has a tendency to believe these sort of things has nothing to do with political affiliations.
Not all conspiracy theories are created equal. I can't help it that actual tin foil hatters dilute the pond with wild allegations about Reptilian Secret Service Agents and shit like that. The truly nutty conspiracy theories get posited both spontaneously (by people who believe it) and intentionally (by disinfo agents seeking to make the real truth movement look bad by association). It's not really that far fetched when you stop and think about it, considering how much effort and funding was funneled into mind control psychology since WWII. When it comes to population control, mind control is a lot more effective than exclusively resorting to physical control.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23616375 - 09/05/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Thanks. Unfortunately, I see Gary Johnson as the worst candidate that the libertarian party has ever had. I do like Jill Stein though, I've been following her ever since I registered to the green party.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23616449 - 09/05/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The thing about Alex Jones is the closer you pay attention to what he's saying, the more absurd his claims become. If you actually look into what he says, you discover how manipulative he is. He starts with half truths and then strings together a narrative based on assumption and conjecture. Every missing detail is filled in with speculation that supports that narrative. Unknown cause of death? It's murder!
lt is perfectly reasonable to consider everything he says as having no real informative value. That is his own fault. Untrustworthy people should not be trusted.
Some people are just susceptible to magical thinking and are very suggestible. People who can be made to believe just about anything except the actual truth. What is a little disturbing is these people include Donald Trump and many of his supporters.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23616486 - 09/05/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The wall just got 10 feet higher.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23616488 - 09/05/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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can't help it that actual tin foil hatters dilute the pond with wild allegations about Reptilian Secret Service Agents and shit like that.
Lol. Alex Jones used to talk about reptilians all the time, then I guess people started calling him a reptilian.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616505 - 09/05/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The wall just got 10 feet higher.
I like how the height of the wall is determined by trumps level of butt hurt.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23616521 - 09/05/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, he gets pretty passionate sometimes. I like the rest of the Info Wars staff a lot more for sharing purposes. When I show someone Alex Jones clips, their eyes often just glaze over and it's largely ineffective. The uber edgy conspiracy theorists like to call Alex Jones a Zionist Operative, mostly because he doesn't spend all his time calling out DA JEWZ. I dunno, it's a crazy world out there full of many differing opinions, perspectives and ideas on who to blame for the causes of oppression and tyranny.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23616560 - 09/05/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have watched other reporters on Info Wars before, right? Or do you just exclusively seek out the small handful of Alex Jone's hyperbolic reptilian rants?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23616599 - 09/05/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: The thing about Alex Jones is the closer you pay attention to what he's saying, the more absurd his claims become. If you actually look into what he says, you discover how manipulative he is. He starts with half truths and then strings together a narrative based on assumption and conjecture. Every missing detail is filled in with speculation that supports that narrative. Unknown cause of death? It's murder!
lt is perfectly reasonable to consider everything he says as having no real informative value. That is his own fault. Untrustworthy people should not be trusted.
Some people are just susceptible to magical thinking and are very suggestible. People who can be made to believe just about anything except the actual truth. What is a little disturbing is these people include Donald Trump and many of his supporters.
sounds just like you're describing hillary and her supporters
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616625 - 09/05/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So Lionel Nation it will be. I was bracing for you to name Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, Vox Day, or similar. I like the cut of this guys jib so far.
I am slightly confused as to why you believe this guy is "more or less impartial" I acknowledge the bias in your mainstream type media. And I recognize bias in this guy. Who are you to be calling your opponents blind sheep if you restrict your exposure to journalism that confirms your pre- conceived notions?
@Pris + Starfire: c'mon now, sometimes it seems like a point is raised and your response is "nu-uh, thats Hillary Clinton! What a fat-ass bitch cunt shill witch!! Haha, am I right or am I right?! Fucking libtards, they'll never learn"
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616626 - 09/05/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Not all conspiracy theories are created equal. I can't help it that actual tin foil hatters dilute the pond with wild allegations about Reptilian Secret Service Agents and shit like that. The truly nutty conspiracy theories get posited both spontaneously (by people who believe it) and intentionally (by disinfo agents seeking to make the real truth movement look bad by association). It's not really that far fetched when you stop and think about it, considering how much effort and funding was funneled into mind control psychology since WWII. When it comes to population control, mind control is a lot more effective than exclusively resorting to physical control.
So you believe that Shawn Lucas was murdered by the government, even though he was murdered in a way that does not resemble a professional hit whatsoever? I noticed you never responded to the point I made about the suspicious way Lucas was murdered.
I find it hilarious that you're so skeptical of sites like Snopes, yet you believe and listen to sites like these: http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/05/snopes-got-snoped.html
I mean look at this site. This is just some blog writer, with a horrible website layout. The author doesn't even provide any sources or evidence for anything of the points that he's trying to prove, the author's full name isn't even published so you don't even really know who is writing it or what kind of credentials they have, and the material isn't even well-written. Not only that, but his assertion that Snopes authors merely use Google is factually inaccurate.
You eat up sites like this that provide no evidence whatsoever for anything they're purporting. That actually makes you far more dangerous than the average sheep who blindly consumes anything that the media puts forth. It means you're willing to believe in extreme ideals in spite of reason, in spite of evidence, in spite of logic. This makes you just as dangerous as any of those radical religious extremists who operate on blind faith and nothing else.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23616635 - 09/05/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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it was learned from the liberals...

LOL, remember when Fox News claimed that Ambassador Chris Steven's body was dragged through the streets by Libyans, making it seem like they were happy and parading around his dead body?
In actuality, if you research the story, these Libyans were saving Chris Stevens from the fire. They dragged him out from under the rubble to save him, and started rejoicing and screaming "Allahu Akhbar" when they discovered that he was still alive and breathing. They tried to resuscitate him, and they were the ones that called the ambulance to get him medical attention.
So yeah, that's at least one instance off the top of my head where Fox has misrepresented or blatantly told lies to further an agenda.
I'll cite Fox News sometimes, but only if I've researched it from at least 2 or 3 other sources and have found that their stories are accurate.
I do that with pretty much any story though. You should never use only 1 source for getting your information.
Here's the Fox News clip about Chris Stevens
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
#23616658 - 09/05/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said: Lionel Nation
I am slightly confused as to why you believe this guy is "more or less impartial" I acknowledge the bias in your mainstream type media. And I recognize bias in this guy. Who are you to be calling your opponents blind sheep if you restrict your exposure to journalism that confirms your pre- conceived notions?
You ever think that maybe just maybe, even through the lens of impartiality, that it's obvious what a corrupt piece of shit Hillary Clinton really is? Impartial doesn't mean ignoring the truth or never having an opinion in order to appear fair. That's NPR territory. Lionel has plenty of content where he lays into Trump, but I guess the dangers of Hillary Clinton far outweigh and take precedence over talking about Trump's perceived indiscretions.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616690 - 09/06/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Impartial doesn't mean ignoring the truth or never having an opinion in order to appear fair. That's NPR territory.
Actually yeah, the best and most impartial journalists are the ones that simply report news without slanting things, or weighing your opinion.
People often confuse political commentators with news journalists. People like Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity are not newscasters. They are political commentators, AKA celebrities that simply give their own personal opinion on current events that are going on.
People should be especially wary of getting information from political commentators, because they deliberately slant news stories with a bias, because it makes for good marketing. Having controversial opinions and spinning stories in a certain way makes you more appealing and draws in an audience.
You should always look at the raw materials first as your source, and only watch those commentators for pure entertainment.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23616693 - 09/06/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Not all conspiracy theories are created equal. I can't help it that actual tin foil hatters dilute the pond with wild allegations about Reptilian Secret Service Agents and shit like that. The truly nutty conspiracy theories get posited both spontaneously (by people who believe it) and intentionally (by disinfo agents seeking to make the real truth movement look bad by association). It's not really that far fetched when you stop and think about it, considering how much effort and funding was funneled into mind control psychology since WWII. When it comes to population control, mind control is a lot more effective than exclusively resorting to physical control.
So you believe that Shawn Lucas was murdered by the government, even though he was murdered in a way that does not resemble a professional hit whatsoever? I noticed you never responded to the point I made about the suspicious way Lucas was murdered.
I find it hilarious that you're so skeptical of sites like Snopes, yet you believe and listen to sites like these: http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/05/snopes-got-snoped.html
I mean look at this site. This is just some blog writer, with a horrible website layout. The author doesn't even provide any sources or evidence for anything of the points that he's trying to prove, the author's full name isn't even published so you don't even really know who is writing it or what kind of credentials they have, and the material isn't even well-written. Not only that, but his assertion that Snopes authors merely use Google is factually inaccurate.
You eat up sites like this that provide no evidence whatsoever for anything they're purporting. That actually makes you far more dangerous than the average sheep who blindly consumes anything that the media puts forth. It means you're willing to believe in extreme ideals in spite of reason, in spite of evidence, in spite of logic. This makes you just as dangerous as any of those radical religious extremists who operate on blind faith and nothing else.
First of all, you're confusing Shawn Lucas for Seth Rich. Which is not surprising since you seem to have a tenuous grasp on all of this in general. And you're likely just quickly checking your propaganda sources to compile quick cannon fodder to defend a position in a debate about something you know very little about. And secondly, Seth Rich was murdered, found dead with multiple gunshot wounds, after allegedly leaking DNC information damaging to the Clinton Campaign. Just sayin'. You claim (or suggest) that signs of a struggle and bruises, etc. proves that it couldn't have been done by professional hitman. You don't know that. Any number of different permutations of events could have happened leading up to his dead body winding up laying there on the pavement. I don't see how anything you've said so far precludes this being a politically-motivated assassination. You've got this idea in your head that all assassinations are clean, quick, and professional...like in the movies. That's not always how it works in the real world.
And I'm not a regular audience to any of those three Snopes debunking links. Those are just examples of sites who are saying what I already know to be true, which is that Snopes is left-leaning on their political pieces. It's basically just a shill site. And it's no wonder that that's who you consult as an "authority" on hoaxes... a site that is itself, a hoax. Funny how that works.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23616710 - 09/06/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Impartial doesn't mean ignoring the truth or never having an opinion in order to appear fair. That's NPR territory.
Actually yeah, the best and most impartial journalists are the ones that simply report news without slanting things, or weighing your opinion.
People often confuse political commentators with news journalists. People like Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity are not newscasters. They are political commentators, AKA celebrities that simply give their own personal opinion on current events that are going on.
People should be especially wary of getting information from political commentators, because they deliberately slant news stories with a bias, because it makes for good marketing. Having controversial opinions and spinning stories in a certain way makes you more appealing and draws in an audience.
You should always look at the raw materials first as your source, and only watch those commentators for pure entertainment.
Lionel is not news, though. He's commentary. And if you listen to NPR you will notice that they have guests on who also periodically offer their commentary and opinions. It depends on the segment, but it's there. But yes, generally NPR does a lot of reporting on who did what, which political leader said what, how many reported dead in the most recent bombings, etc. etc. shit like that. Michael Savage lovingly refers to them as National Propaganda Radio. Probably because they only report what they're allowed to report.
Did I already mention the part about Obama's National Defense Authorization Act in which the ban on government propaganda was lifted and the government is allowed to control the media?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23616712 - 09/06/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: First of all, you're confusing Shawn Lucas for Seth Rich. Which is not surprising since you seem to have a tenuous grasp on all of this in general. And you're likely just quickly checking your propaganda sources to compile quick cannon fodder to defend a position in a debate about something you know very little about. And secondly, Seth Rich was murdered, found dead with multiple gunshot wounds, after allegedly leaking DNC information damaging to the Clinton Campaign. Just sayin'. You claim (or suggest) that signs of a struggle and bruises, etc. proves that it couldn't have been done by professional hitman. You don't know that. Any number of different permutations of events could have happened leading up to his dead body winding up laying there on the pavement. I don't see how anything you've said so far precludes this being a politically-motivated assassination. You've got this idea in your head that all assassinations are clean, quick, and professional...like in the movies. That's not always how it works in the real world.
I'M actually the one that came to the conclusion that Seth Rich's murder was not a hit, based on what I read about a physical altercation having taken place. That wasn't posted on Snopes or any other website.
It doesn't make logical sense. What kind of a hit man would risk exposing themselves by engaging in a physical altercation, in broad public at the park and in the streets, to off a guy? That's not the M.O. of a professional hit.
And if the DNC had in fact, pre-determined that they were going to make it look like a robbery, don't you think they would have taken a few items from him to make it look like a legitimate robbery? I mean these are trained professionals we're talking about here, not amateurs.
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And I'm not a regular audience to any of those three Snopes debunking links. Those are just examples of sites who are saying what I already know to be true, which is that Snopes is left-leaning on their political pieces. It's basically just a shill site.
Lol. It's a "shill site" for Hillary, despite the fact that the site started in the '90s as an entertainment site to dispel rumors and myths floating around. You're saying this based on what evidence exactly?
Hilarious how nobody can no longer publish an opinion that you disagree with, without being called a "shill site."
Next you'll call HuffPo a shill site, even though a lot of HuffPo's writers are interns and journalism students who are submitting their work for course credit.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23616729 - 09/06/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything is possible. The CIA has authorized assets before to carry out actions on their behalf. Not professional Agents or even Black Operations professionals, but assets. Amateurs. You have no idea what could have happened with Seth Rich. He could have been abducted, killed, and then dumped. It could have been done by sub-contracted amateurs through a loose chain of informal command. Or sure, he could have just been shot a few times in the back randomly by someone. The fact is, the homicide detectives declared "they have no suspects, witnesses or motive, though they are looking at whether Rich could have been slain in an attempted robbery." Attempted robbery is their best hypothesis, though nothing was stolen. Sure it's possible he ran away from a mugger, who then shot him in the back and decided the scene was too hot to go run up on the body and rifle through Seth's pockets...or something like that. There's your plausible deniability if you really want to dismiss any possible foul play or cover-ups. Have at it, I guess.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23616739 - 09/06/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Huffpo is most definitely a tightly controlled news site beholden to the Clinton machine. Look up David Seaman, a writer for the Huffington Post who was terminated shortly after posting an article with a video questioning Hillary Clinton's health. Likely that's the same reason Dr. Drew was canned by CNN, for voicing serious concerns about Hillary's serious health issues. Just because Huffpo has a loose network of journalists who work from home, it doesn't mean the company and it's upper-management isn't owned and beholden to the Clinton Media Machine. I constantly hear people keep trying to use this excuse as if it actually means something. It doesn't.
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