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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23612581 - 09/04/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're overthinking this. She presented a Hillary Clinton Campaign sponsored Donald Trump attack Ad as facts in evidence. Either locate and post the raw data to support the claim or don't bring up the poor piano peddler at all. That's all I'm saying.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23612912 - 09/04/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23613072 - 09/04/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23613085 - 09/04/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: California]
    #23613097 - 09/04/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't drink the cold chai.



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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23613156 - 09/04/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
You've posted some extreme conspiracy level tin hat blog stuff
and we've given you the time of day because the source doesn't
necessarily validate or invalidate the content. A Hillary or Trump ad will
be biased (like everything else) and it is incumbent upon the reader to
take all this into account and think critically.




He's hilarious. He believes all sorts of nutter conspiracy theories and Biblical stories, of which there is no evidence for any of these. But a politician's sponsored ad of course means that it's all a lie.

What did you think, Peyote, that they're all hired actors or something? Because he originally came out and told his story on Newsweek and the local paper where he lives.

If you look up the architect that Trump stiffed in the other video I posted, he is also a real architect that is quite well-known in Manhattan.

I noticed you didn't have much to say about the rest of the people he shorted. Here's the list of all the people Trump's stiffed. You can click on the link if you want to be directed to the actual sources: http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-phil-ruffin-lies-about-trumps-record-paying-his-bills/

And these are conservative news outlets like the Wall Street Journal publishing these stories okay.

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THE TRUTH:  Donald Trump failed to pay J. Michael Diehl, owner of Freehold Music Center, around $100,000 for eight grand pianos. “J. Michael Diehl, who owns Freehold Music Center, sold Trump eight Yamaha grand pianos for around $100,000. ‘He put out a bid for pianos about a year before the Taj opened. I won the bid. I delivered the pianos, and I waited and I waited to get paid. And finally I heard from them that I had three choices: to accept 70 percent of the bid or to wait until the casino could afford to pay the bill in full. Or I could force them into bankruptcy with everybody else and maybe get 10 cents on the dollar. I took the 70 percent, and I lost 30 percent.’‘ [Newsweek, 10/30/15]




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Donald Trump sued a Florida chandelier small business to avoid paying the full cost of services provided. “Some small businesses, such as Classic Chandeliers in West Palm Beach, Fla., decided they couldn’t afford to fight. In 2004, Mr. Trump chose 5-foot-wide chandeliers with 75 bulbs from the store, said Judith Jacobson, who said she designed the fixture and worked there with her ex-husband, Nicolas Jacobson, the owner. Mr. Trump’s representatives negotiated to buy three chandeliers for his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for $34,000 total with a 50% down payment, according to court records. ‘The fact that he was Trump,’ Ms. Jacobson said, ‘my ex-husband said ‘OK, we wouldn’t have any problems with someone who has the means.’ ‘ Mr. Trump later sued Classic Chandeliers in Palm Beach County, Fla., court saying he shouldn’t have to pay in full because the company didn’t install the chandeliers properly. Mr. Jacobson, whose last name was spelled Jacobsen in the lawsuit, denied the claim. Court records show the suit was dropped in 2006 after a planned mediation.” [Wall Street Journal, 6/9/16]




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Rob Kimmons, a private detective, sued Donald Trump for failing to pay him for monitoring the private detective hired by Ivana Trump to spy on Donald Trump and Marla Maples. “A private detective is suing Donald Trump for more than $5,000 in unpaid fees for keeping tabs last summer on another detective hired by Trump’s ex-wife.  Rob Kimmons, owner of an investigative firm in Houston, claims Trump failed to pay him for monitoring another Houston private eye retained by Ivana Trump to watch her husband and Marla Maples.”  [Orlando Sentinel, 2/16/91]




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Two Virginia lawyers accused Donald Trump of failing to pay their firm. “Two Richmond-area lawyers say their firm is getting stiffed by Donald Trump and they want out of a lawsuit in Charlottesville federal court. A Trump spokesperson blames the dispute on shoddy work by the Virginia lawyers. The lawyers from Cook, Heyward, Lee, Hopper & Feehan PC of Glen Allen are asking a federal judge to let them out of the lawsuit pitting the New York financier against the bank that owns the embattled Kluge mansion in Albemarle County. Two Trump-owned entities – defendants in the case – have ‘failed to meet their financial obligations’ to the lawyers and the firm, wrote David D. Hopper in a motion filed Friday. It would work a hardship on the lawyers and the firm to require them to continue to represent Trump ‘without being paid,’ Hopper said.” [Virginia Lawyers Weekly, 12/2/11]




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Donald Trump faced a nearly $95,000 lawsuit for missed legal fees. “Lawyer David Hopper, who worked for Trump Organization and other Trump companies, sued in Virginia federal court claiming that in 2011 they owed him $94,511.35 in legal fees. After invoices from Mr. Hopper went unfilled for more than 60 days, Trump representatives had told his firm the bills were ‘too high’ and it should agree to cap its fees or reduce them by 70%, according to court filings. In response, Mr. Hopper withdrew from representing a Trump company in a federal case.” [Wall Street Journal, 6/9/16]




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Donald Trump strung along an Ohio fiberglass business for a $3 million bill. “Five hundred miles away, in Ashtabula, Ohio, Robert Morrison of the Molded Fiber Glass Co. was pressing his workers to finish the domes and minarets and other faux Moorish ornaments in time for the April opening — and worrying about who was going to pay for all of it. An invoice sent a few weeks earlier for $1.4 million still hadn’t been paid. […] Morrison of Molded Fiber Glass was getting desperate for his money and so he turned to Irwin Tobman, a field supervisor in Atlantic City overseeing the installation of the domes and minarets. Tobman had been told earlier by a Trump official that the delay in sending the check was due to a ‘slight glitch.’ ‘We got to get the job done,’ Tobman recalls the Trump guy saying. ‘Put in as many hours as you have to — unlimited overtime.’ Tobman drove his staff hard, in three shifts — 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He pressed Trump’s people again, and got a familiar answer: You’ll get the money in two weeks, no problem. Two months later, Molded Fiber Glass was still waiting. Trump was ‘stringing us along,’ says Tobman. ‘What he did was wrong.’ On June 12, Molded Fiber Glass sued for the $3 million it was owed. ” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Molded Fiber Glass Co. was forced to write off $2 million of a $3 million bill, and its owner was forced to borrow money to pay off companies he hired to complete Donald Trump’s project. “Molded Fiber Glass never removed its domes, choosing instead to join with Lundy and 46 others in a negotiated settlement with Trump for cash equal to 33 cents of each dollar owed, plus 50 cents in convertible bonds, according to Morrison’s book. Trump also threw in a ‘right of first refusal,’ meaning the contractors would get future work at the Taj if they matched the best bid from others. The bonds would eventually pay in full, but the holders had to wait at least several years. Strapped for money, some contractors sold them immediately, getting a fraction of what they were worth at maturity. Among the sellers was Morrison of Molded Fiber Glass, according to Tobman, his man in Atlantic City. Morrison ended up having to write off $2 million of the $3 million that Trump owed him, according to his book. The company refused to comment. Tobman says Trump’s cash crunch left Morrison with no money to pay the dozen companies he had hired to help with the Taj work. But Morrison paid them anyway, Tobman recalls, by borrowing the money. ‘Morrison knew no other way but to pay his bills,’ says Tobman. ‘A handshake meant everything.’” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Donald Trump hired Eric Silverstein for a $800,000 sign painting job, but Silverstein was offered just 50 cents on the dollar upon completion. “Does toughness necessarily translate into more money for Trump? Ask Eric Silverstein. His sign-painting company had been working overtime to get ready for the opening of Trump Plaza, one of Trump’s Atlantic City casinos. Silverstein was a minor contractor on a huge project. But for him, the $800,000 fee was enormous. No choice: Trump kept asking for small improvements in his work, Silverstein says, and delayed payment until they were completed. Then, he claims, Robert Trump, who managed the project for Donald, called Silverstein to a meeting he swears took place in one of the hotel’s men’s rooms. Trump, Silverstein says, had a new offer. He would give him 50 cents on the dollar to settle the contact. If he didn’t like it, he claims he was told, he could sue. Silverstein says he had little choice. A suit would take years, and he simply couldn’t afford the legal fees.” [Newsweek, 9/28/87]




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Donald Trump refused to pay a $1.2 million bill to an Atlantic City paver. “Weak from heart surgery and a sepsis infection that would soon kill her, Patricia Paone was resting at home last summer when an apparition appeared on the TV — a famous businessman who had struck a deal with her husband years before. ‘He’s a crook!’ she roared, according to a son who was with her that day. ‘I can’t listen to this.’ A quarter of a century had passed since Donald Trump refused to pay $1.2 million for the paving stones her late husband installed at Atlantic City’s Taj Mahal casino. But for Paone and others like her — the dozens of contractors and their families who never got all they were owed — it could have happened yesterday.” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]





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Donald Trump paid contractors on his Taj Mahal casino just 33 cents on the dollar after the casino failed with a promise of 50 cents later for the businesses that survived long enough. “Of all the real estate and casino deals in Trump’s long career, the Taj arguably sheds the most light on how the would-be U.S. president handles crises. It was his biggest gamble, the ‘eighth wonder of the world,’ as he dubbed it. And when it went south, his moves to avoid a financial hit to his empire hobbled many small businesses with little cushion to absorb the blow. After the Taj opened in April 1990, the self-anointed ‘King of Debt’ owed $70 million to 253 contractors employing thousands who built the domes and minarets, put up the glass and drywall, laid the pipes and installed everything from chandeliers to bathroom fixtures. A year later, when the casino collapsed into bankruptcy, those owed the most got only 33 cents in cash for each dollar owed, with promises of another 50 cents later. It took years to get the rest, assuming the companies survived long enough to collect.” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Newsweek: Atlantic City contractors with Trump “were so accustomed to getting paid cents on the dollar that they habitually built in an extra percentage.” “In 1991, the Trump Taj Mahal Casino, which had opened just a year before, filed for bankruptcy. Trump had financed it with $900 million in junk bonds. Although the company—and not Trump personally—filed for bankruptcy, he unloaded his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline and stakes in other businesses. The Taj bankruptcy hit Atlantic City’s small businesses much harder. Trump already had a reputation for being a very tough negotiator with suppliers—an echo of his campaign promise to negotiate the best trade deals for America. Contractors were so accustomed to getting paid cents on the dollar that they habitually built in an extra percentage, according to one Atlantic City bankruptcy lawyer.” [Newsweek, 10/30/15]





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Atlantic City contractor on working for Donald Trump: “We got next to nothing.” “‘We got next to nothing,’ says Michael MacLeod, whose 40-person studio made the giant elephant statues at the entrance to Taj. ‘I took a big hit.’” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613181 - 09/04/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Seems like he just chose to stiff every single person that worked on Trump's Taj Mahal, because his businesses ended up not doing so well. The fact that he stiffed the piano guy and the guy who built the elephant statues tells me it's not a matter of shoddy or imperfect work.

Like first off, there's not even any labor involved when you buy a piano off a person. And the elephant statues are finished not incomplete, there's nothing wrong with them.

Even IF that were the case, just because I don't like the way somebody performs a job doesn't mean I am allowed to stiff them out of their pay. If an attorney doesn't get me the conviction that I wanted, I'm still required to pay him. If a hospital doesn't treat my injury the way I wanted them to treat it, I still owe them for their services and work. If it were any of us pulling this kind of crap we would have gotten our homes and vehicles seized a long time ago.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23613251 - 09/04/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you doubt trump would have failed to harass his enemies with the IRS
given his abuse of the courts?




Fair enough. But suppose we put Hillary Clinton in Donald Trump's moccasins for a mile or 2. Do you ever stop to wonder how Hillary's dishonest and deceitful style (as evidenced by her political career, the Clinton Foundation, and off-the-books conniving) would have translated to the private sector? I tend to think she would have been just as ruthless, if not more ruthless, than a Donald Trump. And perhaps she wouldn't have even been able to be successful at all, unable to produce anything of value or be profitable. Yep, she's definitely the type who goes straight into government work and makes her dirty living there instead. Much more state-sanctioned power. Much easier con job.

Of course this is all conjecture since we'll never know what kind of person Hillary would have been as a private citizen and a businesswoman. All we have to go on is her track record as a public servant, which is abysmal, but oh well.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613296 - 09/05/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Despite all that he's still better than Hillary. I know a lot of people who are voting 3rd party, writing in Mickey Mouse, or not voting at all. And I can't say I blame them. But I'm going to vote for Donald Trump because...

A) I actually agree with his platform
B) He's an anti-establishment candidate
and
C) He's not a puppet reading a script written by unelected International bodies who have no right to be meddling in our governmental affairs and policy decisions in the first place

There's a few more reasons as well but that's generally the theme of it.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23613310 - 09/05/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A part of me actually wishes Trump becomes president, so all you people who support him end up immensely disappointed. 

Seriously, if he actually began to do any of the anti-establishment shit that you claim he supports, and started making moves to disenfranchise and shift the political powers that be, he would be assassinated in no time.

No, Trump seems exactly like the type of dishonest person that would make deals by shaking the greasy hand of lobbyists and politicians for bribes. Because that's really all he values in the end, is money. He doesn't value morality or ethics or honesty, all he values is the almighty dollar.

He screws out honest, hard-working people out of getting paid, imagine what he will do to the American citizen. I can't believe anybody really thinks that Trump really cares about the working class at all.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613326 - 09/05/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Best case scenario = Hillary Clinton is all of those things and more.

Who are you voting for, by the way?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23613338 - 09/05/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I already told you in a previous page, that I'm not voting this year, because I will be disappointed with the outcome either way.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613340 - 09/05/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, Trump seems exactly like the type of dishonest person that would make deals by shaking the greasy hand of lobbyists and politicians for bribes. Because that's really all he values in the end, is money. He doesn't value morality or ethics or honesty, all he values is the almighty dollar.




More than seem like that type... He is that type. He's boasted about making political donations and then having access and getting his way. He said his donation to Hillary got her to go to his wedding.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613344 - 09/05/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because you know, a vote for Hillary Clinton is not just a vote for Hillary Clinton. Beyond just being corrupt, herself, she is a figurehead for the aforementioned unelected International bodies who want to continue to control our country against the consent of the governed. This is really what it comes down to at the end of the day.



Y'all can cry conspiracy theory all you want but this is who she is and this is what she does.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613364 - 09/05/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Crumist said:
You've posted some extreme conspiracy level tin hat blog stuff
and we've given you the time of day because the source doesn't
necessarily validate or invalidate the content. A Hillary or Trump ad will
be biased (like everything else) and it is incumbent upon the reader to
take all this into account and think critically.




He's hilarious. He believes all sorts of nutter conspiracy theories and Biblical stories, of which there is no evidence for any of these. But a politician's sponsored ad of course means that it's all a lie.

What did you think, Peyote, that they're all hired actors or something? Because he originally came out and told his story on Newsweek and the local paper where he lives.

If you look up the architect that Trump stiffed in the other video I posted, he is also a real architect that is quite well-known in Manhattan.

I noticed you didn't have much to say about the rest of the people he shorted. Here's the list of all the people Trump's stiffed. You can click on the link if you want to be directed to the actual sources: http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-phil-ruffin-lies-about-trumps-record-paying-his-bills/

And these are conservative news outlets like the Wall Street Journal publishing these stories okay.

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THE TRUTH:  Donald Trump failed to pay J. Michael Diehl, owner of Freehold Music Center, around $100,000 for eight grand pianos. “J. Michael Diehl, who owns Freehold Music Center, sold Trump eight Yamaha grand pianos for around $100,000. ‘He put out a bid for pianos about a year before the Taj opened. I won the bid. I delivered the pianos, and I waited and I waited to get paid. And finally I heard from them that I had three choices: to accept 70 percent of the bid or to wait until the casino could afford to pay the bill in full. Or I could force them into bankruptcy with everybody else and maybe get 10 cents on the dollar. I took the 70 percent, and I lost 30 percent.’‘ [Newsweek, 10/30/15]




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Donald Trump sued a Florida chandelier small business to avoid paying the full cost of services provided. “Some small businesses, such as Classic Chandeliers in West Palm Beach, Fla., decided they couldn’t afford to fight. In 2004, Mr. Trump chose 5-foot-wide chandeliers with 75 bulbs from the store, said Judith Jacobson, who said she designed the fixture and worked there with her ex-husband, Nicolas Jacobson, the owner. Mr. Trump’s representatives negotiated to buy three chandeliers for his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for $34,000 total with a 50% down payment, according to court records. ‘The fact that he was Trump,’ Ms. Jacobson said, ‘my ex-husband said ‘OK, we wouldn’t have any problems with someone who has the means.’ ‘ Mr. Trump later sued Classic Chandeliers in Palm Beach County, Fla., court saying he shouldn’t have to pay in full because the company didn’t install the chandeliers properly. Mr. Jacobson, whose last name was spelled Jacobsen in the lawsuit, denied the claim. Court records show the suit was dropped in 2006 after a planned mediation.” [Wall Street Journal, 6/9/16]




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Rob Kimmons, a private detective, sued Donald Trump for failing to pay him for monitoring the private detective hired by Ivana Trump to spy on Donald Trump and Marla Maples. “A private detective is suing Donald Trump for more than $5,000 in unpaid fees for keeping tabs last summer on another detective hired by Trump’s ex-wife.  Rob Kimmons, owner of an investigative firm in Houston, claims Trump failed to pay him for monitoring another Houston private eye retained by Ivana Trump to watch her husband and Marla Maples.”  [Orlando Sentinel, 2/16/91]




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Two Virginia lawyers accused Donald Trump of failing to pay their firm. “Two Richmond-area lawyers say their firm is getting stiffed by Donald Trump and they want out of a lawsuit in Charlottesville federal court. A Trump spokesperson blames the dispute on shoddy work by the Virginia lawyers. The lawyers from Cook, Heyward, Lee, Hopper & Feehan PC of Glen Allen are asking a federal judge to let them out of the lawsuit pitting the New York financier against the bank that owns the embattled Kluge mansion in Albemarle County. Two Trump-owned entities – defendants in the case – have ‘failed to meet their financial obligations’ to the lawyers and the firm, wrote David D. Hopper in a motion filed Friday. It would work a hardship on the lawyers and the firm to require them to continue to represent Trump ‘without being paid,’ Hopper said.” [Virginia Lawyers Weekly, 12/2/11]




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Donald Trump faced a nearly $95,000 lawsuit for missed legal fees. “Lawyer David Hopper, who worked for Trump Organization and other Trump companies, sued in Virginia federal court claiming that in 2011 they owed him $94,511.35 in legal fees. After invoices from Mr. Hopper went unfilled for more than 60 days, Trump representatives had told his firm the bills were ‘too high’ and it should agree to cap its fees or reduce them by 70%, according to court filings. In response, Mr. Hopper withdrew from representing a Trump company in a federal case.” [Wall Street Journal, 6/9/16]




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Donald Trump strung along an Ohio fiberglass business for a $3 million bill. “Five hundred miles away, in Ashtabula, Ohio, Robert Morrison of the Molded Fiber Glass Co. was pressing his workers to finish the domes and minarets and other faux Moorish ornaments in time for the April opening — and worrying about who was going to pay for all of it. An invoice sent a few weeks earlier for $1.4 million still hadn’t been paid. […] Morrison of Molded Fiber Glass was getting desperate for his money and so he turned to Irwin Tobman, a field supervisor in Atlantic City overseeing the installation of the domes and minarets. Tobman had been told earlier by a Trump official that the delay in sending the check was due to a ‘slight glitch.’ ‘We got to get the job done,’ Tobman recalls the Trump guy saying. ‘Put in as many hours as you have to — unlimited overtime.’ Tobman drove his staff hard, in three shifts — 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He pressed Trump’s people again, and got a familiar answer: You’ll get the money in two weeks, no problem. Two months later, Molded Fiber Glass was still waiting. Trump was ‘stringing us along,’ says Tobman. ‘What he did was wrong.’ On June 12, Molded Fiber Glass sued for the $3 million it was owed. ” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Molded Fiber Glass Co. was forced to write off $2 million of a $3 million bill, and its owner was forced to borrow money to pay off companies he hired to complete Donald Trump’s project. “Molded Fiber Glass never removed its domes, choosing instead to join with Lundy and 46 others in a negotiated settlement with Trump for cash equal to 33 cents of each dollar owed, plus 50 cents in convertible bonds, according to Morrison’s book. Trump also threw in a ‘right of first refusal,’ meaning the contractors would get future work at the Taj if they matched the best bid from others. The bonds would eventually pay in full, but the holders had to wait at least several years. Strapped for money, some contractors sold them immediately, getting a fraction of what they were worth at maturity. Among the sellers was Morrison of Molded Fiber Glass, according to Tobman, his man in Atlantic City. Morrison ended up having to write off $2 million of the $3 million that Trump owed him, according to his book. The company refused to comment. Tobman says Trump’s cash crunch left Morrison with no money to pay the dozen companies he had hired to help with the Taj work. But Morrison paid them anyway, Tobman recalls, by borrowing the money. ‘Morrison knew no other way but to pay his bills,’ says Tobman. ‘A handshake meant everything.’” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Donald Trump hired Eric Silverstein for a $800,000 sign painting job, but Silverstein was offered just 50 cents on the dollar upon completion. “Does toughness necessarily translate into more money for Trump? Ask Eric Silverstein. His sign-painting company had been working overtime to get ready for the opening of Trump Plaza, one of Trump’s Atlantic City casinos. Silverstein was a minor contractor on a huge project. But for him, the $800,000 fee was enormous. No choice: Trump kept asking for small improvements in his work, Silverstein says, and delayed payment until they were completed. Then, he claims, Robert Trump, who managed the project for Donald, called Silverstein to a meeting he swears took place in one of the hotel’s men’s rooms. Trump, Silverstein says, had a new offer. He would give him 50 cents on the dollar to settle the contact. If he didn’t like it, he claims he was told, he could sue. Silverstein says he had little choice. A suit would take years, and he simply couldn’t afford the legal fees.” [Newsweek, 9/28/87]




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Donald Trump refused to pay a $1.2 million bill to an Atlantic City paver. “Weak from heart surgery and a sepsis infection that would soon kill her, Patricia Paone was resting at home last summer when an apparition appeared on the TV — a famous businessman who had struck a deal with her husband years before. ‘He’s a crook!’ she roared, according to a son who was with her that day. ‘I can’t listen to this.’ A quarter of a century had passed since Donald Trump refused to pay $1.2 million for the paving stones her late husband installed at Atlantic City’s Taj Mahal casino. But for Paone and others like her — the dozens of contractors and their families who never got all they were owed — it could have happened yesterday.” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]





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Donald Trump paid contractors on his Taj Mahal casino just 33 cents on the dollar after the casino failed with a promise of 50 cents later for the businesses that survived long enough. “Of all the real estate and casino deals in Trump’s long career, the Taj arguably sheds the most light on how the would-be U.S. president handles crises. It was his biggest gamble, the ‘eighth wonder of the world,’ as he dubbed it. And when it went south, his moves to avoid a financial hit to his empire hobbled many small businesses with little cushion to absorb the blow. After the Taj opened in April 1990, the self-anointed ‘King of Debt’ owed $70 million to 253 contractors employing thousands who built the domes and minarets, put up the glass and drywall, laid the pipes and installed everything from chandeliers to bathroom fixtures. A year later, when the casino collapsed into bankruptcy, those owed the most got only 33 cents in cash for each dollar owed, with promises of another 50 cents later. It took years to get the rest, assuming the companies survived long enough to collect.” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]




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Newsweek: Atlantic City contractors with Trump “were so accustomed to getting paid cents on the dollar that they habitually built in an extra percentage.” “In 1991, the Trump Taj Mahal Casino, which had opened just a year before, filed for bankruptcy. Trump had financed it with $900 million in junk bonds. Although the company—and not Trump personally—filed for bankruptcy, he unloaded his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline and stakes in other businesses. The Taj bankruptcy hit Atlantic City’s small businesses much harder. Trump already had a reputation for being a very tough negotiator with suppliers—an echo of his campaign promise to negotiate the best trade deals for America. Contractors were so accustomed to getting paid cents on the dollar that they habitually built in an extra percentage, according to one Atlantic City bankruptcy lawyer.” [Newsweek, 10/30/15]





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Atlantic City contractor on working for Donald Trump: “We got next to nothing.” “‘We got next to nothing,’ says Michael MacLeod, whose 40-person studio made the giant elephant statues at the entrance to Taj. ‘I took a big hit.’” [Associated Press, 6/28/16]







He's fit for king. Hopefully it'll be other countries he'll profit from and not
the American people, unlike what would happen with Hillary under globalists
who give absolute zero fucks about us. If he's really big on keeping a good
self-image, wouldn't he want to gain acceptance from the people? Wouldn't
he want to do good for the people, to boost his image to God Emperor Trump?


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23613376 - 09/05/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry but that stuff is just nutter. I've been watching Alex jones recently since trump seems to be getting some of his material from Infowars. The guy is an entertainer. He's very creative with facts. (Like "Bernie Sanders lawyer killed right after launching lawsuit" is really "low level legal assistant dies right after serving DNC with lawsuit filed by his employer.") if you dig into their stories, they are full of misrepresentations like thaf.

As soon as I hear the word globalist, I tune out... I know I'm about to get a heavy dose of wild imagination.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23613386 - 09/05/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
Sorry but that stuff is just nutter. I've been watching Alex jones recently since trump seems to be getting some of his material from Infowars. The guy is an entertainer. He's very creative with facts. (Like "Bernie Sanders lawyer killed right after launching lawsuit" is really "low level legal assistant dies right after serving DNC with lawsuit filed by his employer.") if you dig into their stories, they are full of misrepresentations like thaf.

As soon as I hear the word globalist, I tune out... I know I'm about to get a heavy dose of wild imagination.




LOLOLOL....... so a legal team's assistant died, not even the actual attorney, and they made some big conspiracy out of it? :lolsy:


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Hobozen]
    #23613400 - 09/05/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's really the bigger picture, ain't it? Trump isn't perfect, obviously. But neither is Hillary Clinton. The defining difference, however, is that Hillary wants to proceed with the plan to destroy us, whereas Trump is doing everything in his power to not let that happen. But like typical leftists who just can't break the programming, they are hyper-fixated on Trump's every fault and concerned only with how to bring Trump down, while giving Hillary a pass. I've compared and contrasted the two options six ways from Sunday, and it's as clear as night and day that Trump represents American interests while Hillary represents Global Corporatism.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23613421 - 09/05/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm: You are so in the dark it's not even funny anymore, it's embarrassing.
You need to stop reading liberal propaganda; suck it up and follow a website
like voat.co where your denial will be put to test. But I doubt that'd happen because
you're the type of person who can NEVER be wrong. I don't ever remember you conceding
in an argument, and you get into a lot of arguments where you're clearly wrong.
You don't concede, you just ignore the post like it never happened. It's your way or the highway.

You hear the word globalist and you think conspiracy? That tells me
how uninformed you really are on this.  There are many well established professionals who talk about
globalism. It's not just Trump who's fighting these parasites, its happening in Germany, Hungary and
others as well. People want their countries back ya fool, open up those eyes and stop focusing
on your own intellect for once. You got a good brain, fucking use it.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
    #23613435 - 09/05/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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As soon as I hear the word globalist, I tune out...




You see, that's exactly your problem. You're closed minded and your programming is set to react that way without even giving it any further thought or inquiry. Would it make you feel any better if he used Nigel Farage's words and said "International Order". Or how about if he listed them all off as "The United Nations, The Council on Foreign Relations, International Banking Corporations, etc." and the dozens of other titles that this consortium consists of. You would be extremely naive to think that a Transnational Power Structure doesn't exist, and even more naive to think that they wouldn't drop the facade of benevolence and go full on global totalitarianism when given the right opportunity. It's been slowly building and consolidating power for quite a while now. You really, truly need to wake the fuck up and quit playing dumb, Koods.


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