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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
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Can you cite the examples of this? I would be interested to know how many of these claims are made by people who did shoddy or incomplete work. I've heard some horror stories about unionized labor being incentivized to take their sweet fucking time on projects and being wasteful and inefficient (ie: The Teamsters). I'm not disagreeing necessarily, I'm just curious to know to what extent this is being sensationalized.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609014 - 09/03/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Let's get this conversation back on track. The in-land Border Patrol Checkpoint's primary function (at least superficially) is to detain white people and ask them if they are Mexican. Putting aside all the legal jargon and mumbo jumbo about confirming U.S. Citizenship, essentially what B.P. is doing, in practice, is stopping huge numbers of obviously white Americans and asking them if they are indeed white Americans.  But of course we know that's not the real reason, and of course we know the Federal Government is not quite that stupid and/or incompetent. So what's the real reason? Okay, we know the real reasons. Next question then. Why can't the Federal Government just be honest about their real intentions? It's because their real intentions would conflict with their publicly stated intentions and the American people would consider them a fascist piece of shit government entity...which is exactly what's been happening as more and more people wake up.
They were always stopping white Americans at border patrol checkpoints, even long before 9/11.
there were no inland checkpoints before 9/11, we're talking about inland checkpoints, not border checkpoints, stop trying to argue something different
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23609032 - 09/03/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Can you cite the examples of this? I would be interested to know how many of these claims are made by people who did shoddy or incomplete work. I've heard some horror stories about unionized labor being incentivized to take their sweet fucking time on projects and being wasteful and inefficient (ie: The Teamsters). I'm not disagreeing necessarily, I'm just curious to know to what extent this is being sensationalized.
Here's his architect going on record saying that Trump stiffed him for his work. And if you look up this guy's name, he is a famous architect in Manhattan:
Trump hired thousands of illegal immigrants to hire Trump Tower, then stiffed them on their pay. These workers obviously, were not unionized: https://thinkprogress.org/the-story-behind-donald-trumps-undocumented-polish-workers-243a00a77fd8#.9ru9asfcr
He claims he never knew they were undocumented immigrants, and yet...
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During the 16-day non-jury trial, a number of the Polish workers testified that Trump underlings had threatened them with deportation if they caused trouble. They walked in to the job from Brooklyn when a transit strike hit the city. Some of them slept at the site. Two workers further testified that they had approached Trump in person to demand overdue wages.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-immigrants-backs.html
Trump hasn't even paid his own top staff working for his campaign:
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One of the 10 who were unpaid, Michael Caputo, told a Buffalo radio station in June after he resigned from the campaign, that he was not volunteering. Rather, he said he just had not gotten paid. Caputo confirmed to Reuters on Thursday that the Trump campaign has still not paid his invoices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-campaign-staffers_us_57c9c9bce4b0e60d31df169d Here is some of the list of people who have sued him for unpaid wages:
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The son of one cabinet builder, Paul Friel, told the newspaper that his family's business submitted an $83,600 bill in the 1980s to the Trump Organization — part of a $400,000 contract to build cabinets and other furniture at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.
Friel said that the firm never received the payment, the report noted.
USA Today also found more than 200 mechanics' liens dating back to the 1980s, which were filed by contractors and employees claiming that Trump or his various companies and properties owed them payment for their work.
The publication said that records released in 1990 by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission revealed that on just one Atlantic City project, Trump's Taj Mahal casino, 253 subcontractors weren't paid in full or on time.
One drapery factory owner, Larry Walters, told The Wall Street Journal that his company was hired to supply Trump's Las Vegas hotel eight years ago. But Walters said that the developer, Trump Ruffin, refused to pay when it demanded additional work that went beyond the original contract.
http://www.businessinsider.com/businesses-and-employees-accuse-donald-trump-of-not-paying-them-2016-6
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609253 - 09/03/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: And also fair point about unpaid contract work. I wish it weren't so, because it's definitely not a good look and makes the attacks on his character that much easier. It is however a very large business empire, replete with sub-contracted work, and Trump isn't able to realistically oversee every single facet of everything that gets done under his name. Therefore it's easy enough for lousy business to get done by people who aren't him, and then he is held responsible. I know he seems to really relish in firing people for some reason. 
You would think somebody like Trump would have dozens of financial advisors overseeing where every penny of his money gets spent to, and who he owes money to. If he does have people tracking his money and reminding him that he owes money to so and so (which he likely does), he has no excuse for stiffing contractors and other employees.
Even when he receives lawsuits for unpaid labor, he'd rather go to court and fight it out to nickel and dime the person, knowing that he will likely win since he can afford a better legal team, instead of simply paying for the unpaid labor.
I mean really, there is no excuse for stiffing EVERY SINGLE person you have ever done business with. I could see one or two or even a couple. But thousands?!??!!?
who knows why he doesn't pay for services when they are rendered, but once the demands for payments start, he will go to extreme lengths to not be perceived as ever giving an inch. what is important is winning, even if he's on the wrong side of the fight.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23609283 - 09/03/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently, if you volunteer for his campaign you have to sign an agreement that you will never say anything negative about him or his family or businesses. The worst thing in the world to trump is someone who threatens the image he creates for himself.
Watch him melt when reporters ask him questions he doesn't like
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23609341 - 09/03/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I watched it. And Trump's response looks like a simple case of righteous indignation to me. And the reporters are trying to play themselves off like they're all earnest and sincerely inquisitive. But they are just your typical establishment hacks on assignment to act their part in the politico-media complex hit squad. It's no wonder you align yourselves with these snakes, though.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609381 - 09/03/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Can you cite the examples of this? I would be interested to know how many of these claims are made by people who did shoddy or incomplete work. I've heard some horror stories about unionized labor being incentivized to take their sweet fucking time on projects and being wasteful and inefficient (ie: The Teamsters). I'm not disagreeing necessarily, I'm just curious to know to what extent this is being sensationalized.
Here's his architect going on record saying that Trump stiffed him for his work. And if you look up this guy's name, he is a famous architect in Manhattan:
Trump hired thousands of illegal immigrants to hire Trump Tower, then stiffed them on their pay. These workers obviously, were not unionized: https://thinkprogress.org/the-story-behind-donald-trumps-undocumented-polish-workers-243a00a77fd8#.9ru9asfcr
He claims he never knew they were undocumented immigrants, and yet...
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During the 16-day non-jury trial, a number of the Polish workers testified that Trump underlings had threatened them with deportation if they caused trouble. They walked in to the job from Brooklyn when a transit strike hit the city. Some of them slept at the site. Two workers further testified that they had approached Trump in person to demand overdue wages.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-immigrants-backs.html
Trump hasn't even paid his own top staff working for his campaign:
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One of the 10 who were unpaid, Michael Caputo, told a Buffalo radio station in June after he resigned from the campaign, that he was not volunteering. Rather, he said he just had not gotten paid. Caputo confirmed to Reuters on Thursday that the Trump campaign has still not paid his invoices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-campaign-staffers_us_57c9c9bce4b0e60d31df169d Here is some of the list of people who have sued him for unpaid wages:
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The son of one cabinet builder, Paul Friel, told the newspaper that his family's business submitted an $83,600 bill in the 1980s to the Trump Organization — part of a $400,000 contract to build cabinets and other furniture at Harrah's at Trump Plaza.
Friel said that the firm never received the payment, the report noted.
USA Today also found more than 200 mechanics' liens dating back to the 1980s, which were filed by contractors and employees claiming that Trump or his various companies and properties owed them payment for their work.
The publication said that records released in 1990 by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission revealed that on just one Atlantic City project, Trump's Taj Mahal casino, 253 subcontractors weren't paid in full or on time.
One drapery factory owner, Larry Walters, told The Wall Street Journal that his company was hired to supply Trump's Las Vegas hotel eight years ago. But Walters said that the developer, Trump Ruffin, refused to pay when it demanded additional work that went beyond the original contract.
http://www.businessinsider.com/businesses-and-employees-accuse-donald-trump-of-not-paying-them-2016-6
I don't feel like dissecting all of this right now so in the meantime I'll just answer as though it's all true and leave you with this...Trump isn't perfect but he's the best chance we got. If you had any standards, you would fairly compare and contrast Donald Trump with Hillary Clinton and see that Hillary is also not perfect. So we have two imperfect candidates running for the office. But at the end of the day, it really comes down to what each person represents and who they are working for. Hillary Clinton doesn't work for the American people, she works for the banksters and foreign interests. This election is Americanism vs. Globalism at it's core. It really is that simple beneath all the frivolous details and the mainstream media narratives.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23609419 - 09/03/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, and Hillary is also a demonic queen witch in the occult grid that plagues this world. Why in the fuck would anyone think a scourge from the underworld is a better choice for leadership than a flawed human? You'd have to be spiritually handicapped and under severe mind control to not see this bigger picture. Let alone when coupled with all the other details and evidence that reveal Hillary's true identity, not just in a spiritual sense, but in a material sense as well. That's just my honest opinion.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23609459 - 09/03/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote: I am not pro-Hillary. In fact, I am not voting this year because I know for a fact I will end up disappointed either way with my decision. I'm amazed though, that you research so much about Trump, yet have never uncovered any of this information about precisely who he has scammed. But that's what happens when you only choose to get your information from conservative websites, as opposed to a mix of different types of sources.
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koods said: Apparently, if you volunteer for his campaign you have to sign an agreement that you will never say anything negative about him or his family or businesses. The worst thing in the world to trump is someone who threatens the image he creates for himself.
Watch him melt when reporters ask him questions he doesn't like
That's actually the textbook definition of a narcissist. A narcissist who also compulsively lies to make their lives seem better or a certain way, that when confronted with the truth of who they are or what they are really doing, pretty much go completely apeshit and have total hysterical meltdowns.
It looks funny, but in fact they're extremely dangerous in this state. Some people even go on homicidal rampages or commit suicide when they are faced with reality, that's how deeply it affects these people. They are in such bad denial, that confronting them with the truth makes them VERY agitated, to the point of serious aggression or depression.
It's clear to me that Trump suffers from this type of disorder, along with a grandiose and inflated sense of self, just like how it's clear to me that Kanye West is extremely bipolar. You can see it in their actions and the way they react and behave, the way they speak...
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
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When I look for fires I go to where I see the most smoke.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609481 - 09/03/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trunp certainly isnt the best choice. as far as Im concerned, anyone who votes major party is a moron sadly, thats most people
maybe Im wrong about people though. Maybe being welcoming is good I mean, if Night Vale can welcome a bunch of literal five headed dragons can we handel forigners?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23609492 - 09/03/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: When I look for fires I go to where I see the most smoke.
I really hope you at least look into all the links and stories from various people that I posted. Instead of saying that you're going to later, only to dismiss it, and/or forget about it and never look into it.
It is your duty as a politically active person, to be as well-informed as possible instead of only looking into situations that are favorable to your viewpoints.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609504 - 09/03/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The established powers that be can recognize that Trump's dumpster fire pales in comparison to Hillary's raging inferno. So they throw wet leaves on the smoldering Trump coal bed and fan the flames to try to increase the visible smoke presence. But it's not nearly enough to divert attention away from Hillary's full scale wildfire, which is so massive and blazing so hot that it generates it's own weather.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609524 - 09/03/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I really hope you at least look into all the links and stories from various people that I posted. Instead of saying that you're going to later, only to dismiss it, and/or forget about it and never look into it.
It is your duty as a politically active person, to be as well-informed as possible instead of only looking into situations that are favorable to your viewpoints.
I will. It's Saturday night and I'm working on a buzz about to start watching season 2 of Narcos. At the moment all I feel motivated to do is weave metaphors that elucidate this election cycle in an abstract way. So sue me.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23609532 - 09/03/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So in other words that's code for: "I'm not going to bother looking into it at all, I'm going to dismiss all the information i've been given because it suits my agenda."
Edit: Okay, you said you will, so I believe that you will. You aren't Trump after all.
Here's another video, of Trump stiffing yet another guy. What was his excuse for stiffing the small business owner who sold him pianos, huh? That doesn't even require any labor.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23609571 - 09/03/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds ruthless. Lost money is a hard loss to take. It's still better than engaging with someone who's known for sending IRS harassment and literal hitmen after people... someone like Killary Kash Klinton.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23612445 - 09/04/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: So in other words that's code for: "I'm not going to bother looking into it at all, I'm going to dismiss all the information i've been given because it suits my agenda."
Edit: Okay, you said you will, so I believe that you will. You aren't Trump after all.
Here's another video, of Trump stiffing yet another guy. What was his excuse for stiffing the small business owner who sold him pianos, huh? That doesn't even require any labor.
You posted a Hillary Campaign Ad? See this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Do you have any true ability of discernment to draw from? Or do you just regurgitate every little thing that's published for her and by her?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23612460 - 09/04/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice, counter the nicely drawn out and fact based post with some allusion to vague conspiracy theories.
Do you doubt trump would have failed to harass his enemies with the IRS given his abuse of the courts?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
#23612511 - 09/04/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just find it hilarious that Crystal posted a literal Hillary Campaign Ad as part of her argument against Trump's character. Not some questionable piece of journalism, not some left-wing blog, or any number of different Clinton Propaganda Machine influenced subsidiaries...but an actual Hillary Campaign television Ad. Just went right for conveniently located Kool-aid super soaker and squirted out a direct attack ad without even batting an eye. Campaign Ads are there to shape public opinion, that's all they're there for. They're not there to provide pertinent (or even accurate) information, nor are they required to. Crystal had an opportunity to share even a shred of raw data such as photocopied correspondence letters between the piano man and Trump's money man confirming this exchange took place; yet she opts to post a HILLARY CAMPAIGN AD INSTEAD!
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23612535 - 09/04/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You've posted some extreme conspiracy level tin hat blog stuff and we've given you the time of day because the source doesn't necessarily validate or invalidate the content. A Hillary or Trump ad will be biased (like everything else) and it is incumbent upon the reader to take all this into account and think critically.
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