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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603430 - 09/02/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Correct. Border Patrol gets dispatched to the breach. You don't need a physical presence at every quarter mile marker along the entire wall.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603436 - 09/02/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: There's no point in the sensors if the closest guard is still a 100 mile driving distance to the location where the sensor is going off.
Where are you getting this 100 mile number from? It's almost like you're just pulling that number out of your ass just like everything else you've been saying about this.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603438 - 09/02/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Well, how else would you guard the border? You obviously can't space them too far apart, if there are miles and miles of open spaces with no guards, then it means the wall isn't guarded properly.
So, how many guards are appropriate? 2 guards for every half mile? 2 guards for every 1/8th mile? Surely some distinction must be drawn.
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PeyoteZen said: Would fit in quite well with a University faculty or academia in general.
Lol, yeah, instead you'd rather believe your bible and your fake 2nd century mythology. 
2d centaur mythology sounds like some neat stuff
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603441 - 09/02/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: There's no point in the sensors if the closest guard is still a 100 mile driving distance to the location where the sensor is going off.
Where are you getting this 100 mile number from? It's almost like you're just pulling that number out of your ass just like everything else you've been saying about this.
Are you not aware that there's entire zones along the border that are hundreds of miles away from the closest highways or any remote presence of civilization?
Seems you're unaware, as usual, like you are about every other subject.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603449 - 09/02/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're incorrigible.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603453 - 09/02/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Seems you're unaware, as usual, like you are about every other subject.
By the way, that's rich coming from someone who argues that Jesus was a communist.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603455 - 09/02/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just look at the border of New Mexico for instance.
There are only two cities or towns along the Mexican border, and all that area to the left of Columbus is all uninhabited, deserted land. The closest highway to that, the number 10, is at least 60 miles away.
Seriously, why don't you actually bother to LOOK into anything before making a statement.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603456 - 09/02/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Seems you're unaware, as usual, like you are about every other subject.
By the way, that's rich coming from someone who argues that Jesus was a communist.
I never used the words communist, I argued that he has socialist principles and that he was for sure anti-capitalist. Which he was. You're using straw mans as always, because you could never attempt to win an argument using honest and accurate measures.
Unless you actually don't know the difference between socialism and communism, which frankly, wouldn't surprise me. (Although I never even stated Jesus was a socialist, but rather that he has socialist principles)
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603465 - 09/02/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Seems you're unaware, as usual, like you are about every other subject.
By the way, that's rich coming from someone who argues that Jesus was a communist.
I never used the words communist, I argued that he was a socialist and he was anti-capitalist. Which he was. You're using straw mans as always, because you could never attempt to win an argument using honest and accurate measures.
Unless you actually don't know the difference between socialism and communism, which frankly, wouldn't surprise me.
You are twisting a two thousand year old figure to fit a poitical ideology not yet concieved
its really a terible thing
they didnt have the same globalized econnomics and need for free market elf correcting we do
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603473 - 09/02/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're trying so desperately to prove the wall wouldn't work. Let's work this out logically.
The remote regions wall breach plan:
Step 1) Force entry through a solid concrete wall Step 2) Traverse through 100 miles of desolate desert, presumably on foot Step 3) Avoid being spotted and tracked by aerial surveillance once you trip the sensors Step 4) Evade capture by Federal Agents in helicopters and all terrain vehicles Step 5) Miraculously survive all this and disappear into a small town and escape onto the state route highway system with B.P. hot on your tail
Good. Fucking. Luck. with all that
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603478 - 09/02/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A spike pit on the other side of the wall would be cheaper than helicopters.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603481 - 09/02/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Step 2) Traverse through 100 miles of desolate desert, presumably on foot
Plenty of people do already. Also many times there's a car waiting for them once they reach the other side. Either that, or people hire human traffickers to sneak them over the border in their car, or tunnel them underground.
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Step 3) Avoid being spotted and tracked by aerial surveillance once you trip the sensors
Step 4) Evade capture by Federal Agents in helicopters and all terrain vehicles
Apparently you're not aware of just how difficult it is to spot a person while in a helicopter, plenty of search parties have flown over missing hikers or swimmers because they couldn't see that the person was just below them.
There are already terrain vehicles along the border, we can see how easy those are to evade.
So basically you don't want to add any more guards, thereby having the exact same system that we have but with a wall. Yeah, let's see how well that works.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603499 - 09/02/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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- A blind sweep is difficult, but a tripped sensor at a specific site along the wall massively narrows down the search parameters
- At night you can use thermal sensors to detect body heat reliably
- All-terrain vehicles become harder to evade when they know what they're looking for and where to look for it. It ceases to be random scouting and becomes a selective manhunt
- And I said nothing about not increasing the number of B.P. Agents. I just informed you that posting individual guards every quarter mile would be needlessly redundant and unnecessary when taking the aforementioned technology into account.
I repeat, you are trying so desperately to prove the wall wouldn't work
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603503 - 09/02/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, nay on the spike pit?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603504 - 09/02/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: - A blind sweep is difficult, but a tripped sensor at a specific site along the wall massively narrows down the search parameters
- At night you can use thermal sensors to detect body heat reliably
- All-terrain vehicles become harder to evade when they know what they're looking for and where to look for it. It ceases to be random scouting and becomes a selective manhunt
- And I said nothing about not increasing the number of B.P. Agents. I just informed you that posting individual guards every quarter mile would be needlessly redundant and unnecessary when taking the aforementioned technology into account.
I repeat, you are trying so desperately to prove the wall wouldn't work
Actually I stated that in order for the wall to work, you would need to increase the technology and manpower guarding the wall. You can't just build a wall and leave it at that and expect it to be effective. Which is exactly what you're saying.
Again with the straw mans, like I said you couldn't ever win an argument being honest.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603507 - 09/02/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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At this point I would just say that you're wrong and you know it. But you don't seem to know it.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: PatrickKn]
#23603509 - 09/02/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: So, nay on the spike pit?
Sounds impractical but I like your thinking.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603521 - 09/02/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably the biggest costs are going to come from the border guard's salaries, their weapons, and all the high-tech technology they will be using to detect human bodies and drugs and things of that nature.
Are you talking about implementing more guards? Yes.
Are you talking about adding technology and more helicopters and motor vehicles? Yes.
So. Fucking. Duh.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603527 - 09/02/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Link me the page where I said all that.
Oh, I see. You said all that.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603544 - 09/02/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not really sure what you're arguing right now. I was talking about the wall's effectiveness, not whether or not it's going to cost a bunch of money. The wall isn't just the wall. It's a multi-faceted plan of installing an improved physical barrier in conjunction with technological tools and implementation of existing (and additional) B.P. agents already on the ground.
You seem lucid sometimes but then you go off on tangents.
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