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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: starfire_xes]
#23602268 - 09/01/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: You are so full of yourself Akira. you want everyone to start speaking Oxford English on the fucking boards now? Jesus Christ, get a fucking life dude.
no, i just want him to understand where i am coming from in this discussion. i am not asking him to change his format of speech. just consider the confusion that it causes. that's all.
for example. Starfire, you're a lib, you want people to just be able to make up words? liberal bullshit is what that is.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: starfire_xes] 2
#23602415 - 09/01/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The Republican Party was infiltrated by neocon war hawks working for the same boss as the Democrat Party. They work in concert with neo-colonial powers as a form of controlled opposition.
I agree.
Why do you think Trump isn't playing the part in all this? If the world is how you view it, elections are largely rigged - both psychologically and when that fails, physically through rigging the vote itself. If that's the case, with so much at stake why would they possibly allow someone like Trump through? When elections can be swayed one way or another through media exposure and rhetoric, they become easy for those with power to sway in their favor consistently.
If the two sides of the political spectrum in the United States have worked together for decades to secure a status quo, why would you believe the guy running on the Republican side isn't somehow in on it despite large political donations to both sides and acquaintances in high political spots.
I suppose what I'm wondering, is why I should believe that Trump is genuine and not playing a part, when the very people rallying to him are the same people that believe this stuff is largely rigged anyhow. Is he really running on his own?
You've mentioned Gary Johnson and said he was essentially a shill to pull cord from Trump. I don't know if he's a shill or not, but he's a relatively weak candidate to pit against Trump anyhow, I don't see any way he could be planted. There would be better plants to have chosen than him to pull such a job.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: PatrickKn]
#23602590 - 09/01/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Republicans actually did try to rig the primary against Trump. They failed. ie: Colorado canceled the primary voting and declared Cruz the winner. It happened in a couple other states, as well, if I remember correctly. The NeverTrumper's also tried to contest his nomination at the convention. Didn't work. Trump got too much of the popular vote for it to be stolen in any subtle fashion. They would have had to do it like the Democrats and steal it blatantly ala Hillary vs. Bernie.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23602598 - 09/01/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude. Trump seems suspicious as all hell. maybe i'm just being too cynical. but it's always all seemed suspicious.
Bernie pushes for Hilal, Hilal, for Trump, Trump for the win. seems too easy...underdog story? that's the narrative?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: akira_akuma]
#23602608 - 09/01/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: maybe i'm just being too cynical
You are.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23602616 - 09/01/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's funny.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: koods]
#23602701 - 09/01/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The wall would also feature underground and above ground sensors, along with aerial surveillance. That would address and rectify the problem of tunneling and other forms of sabotage and shenanigans to try to get around the wall illegally.
Smugglers will just smash holes in the wall.
with what? do you have specifications on the wall?
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What about areas where they will need to provide a path for drainage. You can't just dam up streams with a wall. The water needs to be able to follow its natural course.
that is seriously one of the most retarded things you've ever said
when they create a hydroelectric dam do they not simply dam up a stream with a huge concrete wall, have people not been damming up streams for thousands of years and diverting water from it's natural course. as I recall that was one of the major tactics during the range wars of the 1800s. even beavers have been making dams in streams for millions of years
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23602887 - 09/01/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey you know what though, that's what these programs are for, and I'm personally glad that they were able to get help. I'd much rather see that than children begging on the streets, dumpster diving for food, and dying because of lack of adequate medical care. Which seems to be what Republicans want.
Personally, I think it's a psychological self-guilt phenomenon. People feel so subconsciously guilty about being on welfare, or being unemployed themselves, that they try to dissociate themselves from the "other" evil people on welfare. They're not like those OTHER people on welfare, they're decent people unlike those OTHER ghetto ratchet hood rats.
It's ironic too because only a small percentage of our taxes are going towards these types of people. The bulk of our taxes actually go to old people or disabled people for Social Security and Medicare, and to fund our wars and the military.
Isn't that what charity, and THE CHURCH is for?
Why do churches collect all that money for?
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Mr. Material]
#23602903 - 09/01/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a con job. Tax-free loot.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23602916 - 09/01/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, so they should force the churches to help the poor if they want to remain tax free. Why should everyone else pay for people's abortions... or failed abortions.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: qman]
#23602945 - 09/01/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so you're saying the wall needs highways, bridges, sewers, water and electricity, maybe a few schools to educate the wall.
tell us, what's the life expectancy of concrete that's not maintained? how much does repair to concrete cost? what's involved in it's maintenance and those costs
how much do we spend each year on border patrol and customs agents each year that are working inland, hundreds of mills from the border doing checkpoints to ask US citizens of they're illegals while allowing anyone with dark skin to drive on because they dont want to racially profile. wouldnt it be pretty easy to just relocate those agents a bit closer to the border, maybe to say... walk the wall?
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So guarding the wall will cost money? Yeah, we already know that, you know that Clinton wants to also increase patrols on the Southern border? That will also cost more money, do you have an issue with that as well?
Illegals and their children cost over $130 billion per year, allocating $2-3 billion per year for border enforcement offers an excellent return on investment for US taxpayers.
Well, how many people do you think need to be guarding the entire border for it to deter illegal immigrants from climbing over or digging under it?
You need at least 2 guards for every 1/8th or 1/4 of a mile, I would think. Guards should work in pairs and not alone, this is for safety reasons and also to prevent bribery scandals.
There would have to be 2 guards 24/7, which means if each guard works a 12 hour shift, you would actually have to hire at least 4 guards for every 1/8th or 1/4 of a mile to switch shifts with each other.
Now, how much can we pay each guard? Since ICE and TSA agents starts out at a pay of around $35,000, it seems we can get away with paying each of them $30,000 a year or so.
Each year, that basically amounts to a $144-$720+ million budget annually, and that's ONLY for the guard's salaries. That doesn't include any of their weapons, any of their gadgets or technology they will be using, it doesn't include the building of the wall, or any repairs to it, etc.
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#23602963 - 09/01/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Material said: Isn't that what charity, and THE CHURCH is for?
Why do churches collect all that money for?
Do you realize how few funds we would have going towards the poor if we only relied on churches and donations to support them? When was the last time any of YOU donated money?
Also, even if churches were able to feed everybody in the nation. How the hell do you expect churches to pay for something such as medical costs? Do you realize how much that would cost out of pocket without any insurance?
There are plenty of churches that exist in religious countries like Brazil. Why is it that despite all the churches and charities in operation, there are so many hordes of children in poverty begging for change on the streets?
Yeah, what a great idea. We should be more like Brazil. Swarms of children going hungry and homeless, and their moms having to resort to fucking tourists for $20 here and there.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603033 - 09/01/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Material said: Isn't that what charity, and THE CHURCH is for?
Why do churches collect all that money for?
Do you realize how few funds we would have going towards the poor if we only relied on churches and donations to support them? When was the last time any of YOU donated money?
Also, even if churches were able to feed everybody in the nation. How the hell do you expect churches to pay for something such as medical costs? Do you realize how much that would cost out of pocket without any insurance?
There are plenty of churches that exist in religious countries like Brazil. Why is it that despite all the churches and charities in operation, there are so many hordes of children in poverty begging for change on the streets?
Yeah, what a great idea. We should be more like Brazil. Swarms of children going hungry and homeless, and their moms having to resort to fucking tourists for $20 here and there.

I don't donate money. I hate the church. I grew up dirt poor and when push came to shove I stole. Plain and simple. The church never helped, and the government gets in the way. I worked temporary labor jobs and got a big chunk of my check taxed (back in the day).
Now, I work and school. I was working 2 jobs until recently.
Forget everyone else and their kids. They should have used condoms. :
Yeah, that's my point. These churches are just big failures.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603095 - 09/01/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, how many people do you think need to be guarding the entire border for it to deter illegal immigrants from climbing over or digging under it?
You need at least 2 guards for every 1/8th or 1/4 of a mile, I would think. Guards should work in pairs and not alone, this is for safety reasons and also to prevent bribery scandals.
There would have to be 2 guards 24/7, which means if each guard works a 12 hour shift, you would actually have to hire at least 4 guards for every 1/8th or 1/4 of a mile to switch shifts with each other.
Now, how much can we pay each guard? Since ICE and TSA agents starts out at a pay of around $35,000, it seems we can get away with paying each of them $30,000 a year or so.
Each year, that basically amounts to a $144-$720+ million budget annually, and that's ONLY for the guard's salaries. That doesn't include any of their weapons, any of their gadgets or technology they will be using, it doesn't include the building of the wall, or any repairs to it, etc.
oh, so you're a security expert now
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23603106 - 09/01/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was about to say...looks like you're just making this shit up as you go along, Cryptic G.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603146 - 09/01/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: I was about to say...looks like you're just making this shit up as you go along, Cryptic G.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23603183 - 09/01/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would fit in quite well with a University faculty or academia in general.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603408 - 09/02/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, how else would you guard the border? You obviously can't space them too far apart, if there are miles and miles of open spaces with no guards, then it means the wall isn't guarded properly.
So, how many guards are appropriate? 2 guards for every half mile? 2 guards for every 1/8th mile? Surely some distinction must be drawn.
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PeyoteZen said: Would fit in quite well with a University faculty or academia in general.
Lol, yeah, instead you'd rather believe your bible and your fake 2nd century mythology.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
#23603417 - 09/02/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The wall would also feature underground and above ground sensors, along with aerial surveillance.
This isn't the 2nd century. We don't need foot soldiers standing guard every quarter mile.
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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
#23603424 - 09/02/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The wall would also feature underground and above ground sensors, along with aerial surveillance.
This isn't the 2nd century. We don't need foot soldiers standing guard every quarter mile.
Uh-huh. And the sensors go to where? Surely they are going to detect an alarm somewhere, at some headquarters, where will they be located?
If the alarm goes off, you're going to need somebody relatively closeby in order to capture anybody who has crossed the border. There's no point in the sensors if the closest guard is still a 100 mile driving distance to the location where the sensor is going off.
Jeez, it's almost like you really haven't thought extensively about what you're saying at all.
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