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    #23591057 - 08/29/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591176 - 08/29/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Had to happen bro, otherwise we'd all be doomed by now.. Even the worst criminals in prison have rules that they have to go by otherwise they'd crack down on them full force and they'd have full fledge war on their hands, too many people would die. Even a government, that is the embodiment of all that is evil, knows it must keep a balance..


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23591232 - 08/29/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not at all that liberal in the states.  5 -8 years for manufacturing drugs in Ohio.  Plus other charges as specified.  It can be a culture on agar or a tiny cactus seedling.  A bit less for cannabis but still very heavy punishment.  Nobodies realized reality enough to state anything so pure that it's correct.  We're all muddled.  Corrupted from too much exposure too soon and so much more to learn.

There are some genetic components to human behavior.  Cannot be eliminated due to the associated strengths being more useful.  It's going to take awareness, some kind words as well as evolving.  That requires birthing, leave the dying to the spiritual.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 3
    #23591373 - 08/29/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone else noticed that the more liberal America has become, the shittier it's gotten?



It's gotten shittier because the super wealthy control Government again.  Things have gotten shittier ever since Reagan handed the Government over to the elite.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591378 - 08/29/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.





That was back when U.S. manufacturing was king because all the other countries were recovering from WWII. Unfortunately, manufacturing things in first world countries isn't very profitable anymore so more and more working people are being left without the jobs they were depending on. While I'm pretty conservative, I think we can modify a lot of ideas from the liberal left. Offering free tuition at public universities for STEM degrees would help working class people transition into the service economy. Not giving out so many H1B visas would help as well.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
    #23591534 - 08/29/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591562 - 08/29/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everything that's wrong with America can be blamed on Reagan and then dirty republicans!:psycrankey:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591593 - 08/29/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591616 - 08/29/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree with you as well. But in order for us to properly implement "free tuition" and the like, our government would have to not be corrupt.
Our tax dollars don't get spent on what they should now, why give them even more money to misuse.




Very true, we need public spending reforms focused on accountability before anything changes for the better.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591667 - 08/29/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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When I made this post and stated that we need to "Stop pandering to pussies", I was mainly talking about LGBT, Feminist, BLM, minority quota bullshit.




I think the reason these issues are more prevalent now is because of social media. A large plurality of it's users are young liberal millennials who care more about social issues than other ones. Thus, their voice is being amplified to a greater degree than it would have in the past. I'm not sure what could be done about it though.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23591707 - 08/29/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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When I made this post and stated that we need to "Stop pandering to pussies", I was mainly talking about LGBT, Feminist, BLM, minority quota bullshit.

All those groups/concepts are trying to get laws passed that will cater to them, while making it harder for the caucasian. Which whether they like or not happens to be the majority of the United States and middle class. It's detrimental to our economy...




There's certain groups of people that want to destroy the "old American" culture, this is why Trump will probably be the next President, the people are sick of this destructive trend in the US.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 3
    #23591792 - 08/29/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Immigrants haven't come anywhere near the level of destruction as billionaires have.  Billionaires are the ones taking the middle class down.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23592707 - 08/30/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23592743 - 08/30/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23592792 - 08/30/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Immigrants haven't come anywhere near the level of destruction as billionaires have.  Billionaires are the ones taking the middle class down.




Who's talking about immigrants?  The Billionaires are the ones that allowed tens of millions of illegals to flood into the US, who did it benefit?  The top .10%.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23593022 - 08/30/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:There's certain groups of people that want to destroy the "old American" culture, this is why Trump will probably be the next President, the people are sick of this destructive trend in the US.




What is "old American" culture? I'm asking from a place of genuine interest and to point out how hard it is to define. Someone more revolutionary than I might say "old American" culture is: slavery, segregation, dueling, violence, genocide, colonialism, restricted enterprise, corporatism, fascism, hatred, lynchings, racism, nativism, paranoia, xenophobia. Myself, I'd say there have been a small section of the populace that always opposed these things, had the freedom to speak, and has helped diminish them, and *that* is part of what makes America great.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23593059 - 08/30/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Immigrants haven't come anywhere near the level of destruction as billionaires have.  Billionaires are the ones taking the middle class down.




I'm totally fine with legal immigration. I've got some mixed feelings about accepting refugees though.

When it comes to billionaires bringing us down, we need someone to point these bastards out lol...



I didn't say anything about bringing more immigrants in.  Just saying we need to stop blaming our problems on dark skinned folk.

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Who's talking about immigrants?  The Billionaires are the ones that allowed tens of millions of illegals to flood into the US, who did it benefit?  The top .10%.



That's more like it.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23593100 - 08/30/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Things have declined in certain ways, but they were never that copacetic to begin with.  One has to realize that the "good old days" is a myth that gets used in every time period.  There were never any golden ages, really.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23593284 - 08/30/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:There's certain groups of people that want to destroy the "old American" culture, this is why Trump will probably be the next President, the people are sick of this destructive trend in the US.




What is "old American" culture? I'm asking from a place of genuine interest and to point out how hard it is to define. Someone more revolutionary than I might say "old American" culture is: slavery, segregation, dueling, violence, genocide, colonialism, restricted enterprise, corporatism, fascism, hatred, lynchings, racism, nativism, paranoia, xenophobia. Myself, I'd say there have been a small section of the populace that always opposed these things, had the freedom to speak, and has helped diminish them, and *that* is part of what makes America great.




Sure, you want to bring up all the negative aspects of things that were common place hundreds of years ago all over the world, that's called being disingenuous.

The "old America" is Northern Europeans creating one of the greatest nations in human civilization, it's about making a Constitution that still works today, it's about creating a separation between religion and state, it's about creating a democracy.

This nation was created by white Christians from Northern Europe, this is a fact and that's the reason why this nation was great, you might not like that fact, but it's true.

What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill. There's a reason why the US won WW2 and become the worlds superpower, think about it.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23593310 - 08/30/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23593363 - 08/30/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's racist dude :lol:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23593365 - 08/30/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Things have declined in certain ways, but they were never that copacetic to begin with.  One has to realize that the "good old days" is a myth that gets used in every time period.  There were never any golden ages, really.





Completely true it a myth that helps keep the status quo just that.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23593370 - 08/30/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, you want to bring up all the negative aspects of things that were common place hundreds of years ago all over the world, that's called being disingenuous.

The "old America" is Northern Europeans creating one of the greatest nations in human civilization, it's about making a Constitution that still works today, it's about creating a separation between religion and state, it's about creating a democracy.



The bad things Crumist mentioned are now gone.  The good things you mentioned are still here.  I think you are being disingenuous.  :shrug:

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This nation was created by white Christians from Northern Europe, this is a fact and that's the reason why this nation was great, you might not like that fact, but it's true.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.  I guess their labor doesn't count?

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What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill. There's a reason why the US won WW2 and become the worlds superpower, think about it.



Because of all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure?  :shrug:


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    #23593380 - 08/30/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Glory days is nothing more than nostalgic bias.

It's interesting to note the systems of control for the last hundred or so years is beginning to slip.

Peoples reality are not matching expectations and is giving strength for people to search for truths they previously were too scared of.


The whole paradigm is shifting and the control tactics have shifted little. This gives people like me immense opportunities to reveal truth


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon]
    #23593383 - 08/30/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23593427 - 08/30/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23593429 - 08/30/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ask the disenfranchised people back then?! Again this is all rose colored glass looking back and nostalgic feelings but reality was much similar to now.

Minus the insane wealth distribution gaps but they were sowing the seeds for that back then


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    #23593538 - 08/30/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23593622 - 08/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.

...all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure




They were the work horses/labor force of the period, not the brains behind it. There's a HUGE difference.



Look at qman's post that I quoted here and tell me if that matters.


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    #23593735 - 08/30/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You will never see positive change in the country until the left stops calling every policy they disagree with "racist" which they will never do. That, along with blaming the rich for everything, they've somehow convinced almost a majority of middle and lower class Americans that if we just raise taxes on the "rich" that magically, somehow, the middle and lower class will have a utopian paradise. It baffles the mind how ignorant the people who push and support these policies are


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    #23593807 - 08/30/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

Just curious :shrug:




http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery

"Only 6 percent of African captives were sent directly to British North America"

Yeah, but only whites bought slaves according to people in 2016. :facepalm:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23593868 - 08/30/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, you want to bring up all the negative aspects of things that were common place hundreds of years ago all over the world, that's called being disingenuous.

The "old America" is Northern Europeans creating one of the greatest nations in human civilization, it's about making a Constitution that still works today, it's about creating a separation between religion and state, it's about creating a democracy.



The bad things Crumist mentioned are now gone.  The good things you mentioned are still here.  I think you are being disingenuous.  :shrug:

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This nation was created by white Christians from Northern Europe, this is a fact and that's the reason why this nation was great, you might not like that fact, but it's true.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.  I guess their labor doesn't count?

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What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill. There's a reason why the US won WW2 and become the worlds superpower, think about it.



Because of all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure?  :shrug:




"I guess their labor doesn't count?"

Picking cotton in the fields didn't create the US, sorry. :shrug:

"immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure"

You mean assisting the grunt work for building the infrastructure. Does the guy who cleans the toilets at Apple share the same accountability for the companies success as Steve Jobs?  No, because that wouldn't make sense.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594063 - 08/30/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The constitution is for what is publicly debated (Overt).  Ton's of shit never see's the light of day.  Shit that just goes on day in day out. 

A lot more people have taken drugs.  This is good and bad.  Lot's of power and emotions are revealed when people dose. What people do with it is never even really talked about.  Sure if it's a crime or some really beneficial revelation.  But the fact is people get bored with that and don't take it on personally.

What used to be public shame is now paranoia.  There is so much more going on in people's lives then they can tell anyone.  Yet good 'ole Uncle Same knows all that and ain't informing the therapist.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594121 - 08/30/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

Just curious :shrug:




http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery

"Only 6 percent of African captives were sent directly to British North America"

Yeah, but only whites bought slaves according to people in 2016. :facepalm:



It certainly changes my perspective on the slave trade. Like most people today, i my self wrongly believed that the majority of people taken from Africa, were forced to work in Northern European settlements.

500,000 people brought to North America over 4 centuries is hardly a huge number. Seems the South Americas and the Spanish settlements appear to be the worst offenders!


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23594135 - 08/30/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone remember the "gold ol days" where privatized national banks were tied to a finite commodity and didnt entrap anyone within their monetary system for a lifetime of unpayable debts and interests the banks created out of thin air?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon]
    #23594149 - 08/30/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Back in the day job's didn't pay a living wage equating to poverty.  There was not also a million billion things for sale, temptations.  People saved money to buy what they wanted.  They did not expect to just float by on credit.  Credit is when things went down hill.  People don't know how to plan credit.  Gets too damn deep very fast.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23594191 - 08/30/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Although most of that is true. Americans did earn a much better wage comparatively. Inflation anyone??!?!?


Ask your grandparents about their 30 year mortgage!!!

What's that a single income family could pay off a home Ina few years? Cars without loans? Give me break.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
    #23594196 - 08/30/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.





That was back when U.S. manufacturing was king because all the other countries were recovering from WWII. Unfortunately, manufacturing things in first world countries isn't very profitable anymore so more and more working people are being left without the jobs they were depending on. While I'm pretty conservative, I think we can modify a lot of ideas from the liberal left. Offering free tuition at public universities for STEM degrees would help working class people transition into the service economy. Not giving out so many H1B visas would help as well.





The US is still the world's largest manufacturer.  The fact that the production paradigm has changed is the issue.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23594285 - 08/30/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Back in the day job's didn't pay a living wage equating to poverty.  There was not also a million billion things for sale, temptations.  People saved money to buy what they wanted.  They did not expect to just float by on credit.  Credit is when things went down hill.  People don't know how to plan credit.  Gets too damn deep very fast.




Real wages have been dropping for over 40 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

My Polish great grandparents made more money per hour (in real terms) in the mills than the majority of US workers do today.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594296 - 08/30/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What large monetary change happened about 40 years ago? Gold standard removed?

Banks now create money out of thin air, give loans with fake money, then charge unpayable interest as the money was fabricated and over produced. Is this sustainable?

Third world nations who default on these loans are offered reimbursement for seeking off unreplensihable resource needed for sustainable living. Is this practice sustainable?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon] * 2
    #23594798 - 08/30/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What large monetary change happened about 40 years ago?



Trickle Down economics.



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Banks now create money out of thin air, give loans with fake money, then charge unpayable interest as the money was fabricated and over produced. Is this sustainable?



Banks have created money out of thin air since the 1600's.  It provides tremendous flexibility for Governments to do things such as raising money for war and providing a stimulus to prevent a Great Depression.  It's something that can be paid back if Government chooses to collect more than it spends.

Unfortunately, as explained above, Government lowered taxes on the rich in the 80's, so debt/GDP started going up ever since:



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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23595178 - 08/30/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bubbles85 said:I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

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Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.




PSB says 388,000, which seems small until you consider the nation's total population was around 3million by the time the import of slaves was outlawed.

Totally agree with you Falcon, I would just add that the dick measuring contest that was the Cold War buildup didn't help our deficit. Nor does our aging population. Also would like to point out that beginning in the 80s it had been a time of tightening belts on the domestic front. The "war on poverty" was a failed '60s experiment by Reagan's election, which also featured the debut of the "welfare queen."


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23595854 - 08/30/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone else noticed that the more liberal America has become, the shittier it's gotten?


The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.


COINCIDENCE?    I think NOT!!!



Lets get back to slapping the bitch out of people. The world will be a better place!



I'm not a liberal but this is insane. The government's job should be to make sure everyone is cared for on a basic human level, that no one's human rights are violated. They're still failing miserably, but they're doing far better now than they were in the "good ol' days". If the 50s were so fucking great in your opinion, I guess you think a woman's place is in the kitchen, since before feminism that's where we had to be. I'm a 60s child (born in the 80s but with the counterculture in spirit); most of the good to have come out of this fucked world in all of history is a result of the 60s revolution. Before that, females were universally enslaved by their families and their dominator husbands.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596657 - 08/31/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23596671 - 08/31/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm all for women having the same rights as men



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my wife will be a stay at home mom



Don't you see the contradiction? I feel really sorry for whoever you bamboozle into marrying you. Chaining her to the home so that she can raise "my children" (not "our children", mine because I'm the male, the head of the family, never mind that she's the one who has to go through labor) is not supporting equal rights at all, you're stuck in the past before women's liberation. Seriously, fuck that shit. I'm appalled that the shroomery has given you such an overwhelming "broproval" for this thread. Misogyny still runs deep in millennial males.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596699 - 08/31/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone else noticed that the more liberal America has become, the shittier it's gotten?


The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.


COINCIDENCE?    I think NOT!!!



Lets get back to slapping the bitch out of people. The world will be a better place!



I'm not a liberal but this is insane. The government's job should be to make sure everyone is cared for on a basic human level, that no one's human rights are violated. They're still failing miserably, but they're doing far better now than they were in the "good ol' days". If the 50s were so fucking great in your opinion, I guess you think a woman's place is in the kitchen, since before feminism that's where we had to be. I'm a 60s child (born in the 80s but with the counterculture in spirit); most of the good to have come out of this fucked world in all of history is a result of the 60s revolution. Before that, females were universally enslaved by their families and their dominator husbands.




That's total nonsense, my grandmother and her 5 sisters were constantly working various jobs during the late 1930's and beyond. Even after she got married and had my father and uncle she returned to the workforce.

It was a choice for her and many other women, the nice thing for most of them it was just a choice, a man made enough for them to stay home with the children, most women don't have that option today.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596701 - 08/31/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596710 - 08/31/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm all for women having the same rights as men



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my wife will be a stay at home mom



Don't you see the contradiction? I feel really sorry for whoever you bamboozle into marrying you. Chaining her to the home so that she can raise "my children" (not "our children", mine because I'm the male, the head of the family, never mind that she's the one who has to go through labor) is not supporting equal rights at all, you're stuck in the past before women's liberation. Seriously, fuck that shit. I'm appalled that the shroomery has given you such an overwhelming "broproval" for this thread. Misogyny still runs deep in millennial males.




I also believe if a couple decides to have children one parent should stay at home during the child's developmental years.  The funny thing is that a lot of men are now taking that role if the female has a better paying job, so things have changed.

Ideally the mother should be the one that stays home and cares for the children, it's usually what's in the best interest of the children and that's the most important aspect of it.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23596742 - 08/31/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not a liberal but this is insane. The government's job should be to make sure everyone is cared for on a basic human level, that no one's human rights are violated. They're still failing miserably, but they're doing far better now than they were in the "good ol' days". If the 50s were so fucking great in your opinion, I guess you think a woman's place is in the kitchen, since before feminism that's where we had to be. I'm a 60s child (born in the 80s but with the counterculture in spirit); most of the good to have come out of this fucked world in all of history is a result of the 60s revolution. Before that, females were universally enslaved by their families and their dominator husbands.




That's total nonsense, my grandmother and her 5 sisters were constantly working various jobs during the late 1930's and beyond. Even after she got married and had my father and uncle she returned to the workforce.

It was a choice for her and many other women, the nice thing for most of them it was just a choice, a man made enough for them to stay home with the children, most women don't have that option today.



I should have said generally, because universally does imply 100%. My bad. There were exceptions, but they were rare, unlike today where mostly (consider the gender pay gap, for example) equal rights are the norm. Feminism isn't so much about procuring theoretical equal rights anymore as it is about people's attitudes, which are still horribly misogynist, and crime. FGM, human trafficking and rape are things that feminism today is combating, so don't give me this bullshit about how feminism is obsolete or however you express your negative views on it. If you hold negative views on feminism in general (rather than criticizing a specific subset of it as I do), you are misogynist.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23596753 - 08/31/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you see the contradiction?




What contradiction?



Being stuck at home raising "your children" (they're her children, they came out of her body, so fuck laying claim to ownership of them) is not having equal rights. You can go out and do whatever you want, she has to stay home and deal with the incredible burden of being your wife, making you fucking sandwiches and getting you beer while you watch football (at least metaphorically if not word for word).


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596764 - 08/31/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This isn't a political issue at the roots. It seems we all blame greedy politicians on different sides of the spectrum. So one must look at what motivates this greed for a majority of this broad spectrum.


It's money!!!!!


So for real lets talk about the actual root of these issues and get to the bottom of this corrupt debt leverage money system. What branch  has authority of the federal reserve


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23596769 - 08/31/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I also believe if a couple decides to have children one parent should stay at home during the child's developmental years.  The funny thing is that a lot of men are now taking that role if the female has a better paying job, so things have changed.

Ideally the mother should be the one that stays home and cares for the children, it's usually what's in the best interest of the children and that's the most important aspect of it.



What's the ratio of stay-at-home dads to stay-at-home moms? Very, very small. Unfortunately, people still think like you to a depressingly large extent, and the female gets the shaft almost all of the time.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596770 - 08/31/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23596798 - 08/31/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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consider the gender pay gap, for example




Is there a law that states women must be paid less? NO! There isn't!

So why should there be a law that enforces a quota to compensate?

That would be ASININE!

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feminism is obsolete




Damn right it is!

The only purpose it serves now is to brainwash women and create gender inequality in the Females favor.

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If you hold negative views on feminism in general, you are misogynist.




The fact that you can so broadly paint an entire gender as "misogynist" shows how ignorant and delusional you are.



You've "cleverly" ignored the parts of my post you can't take out of context and dismiss. Males are mostly misogynist. If there isn't a law saying females must be paid the same as males, we'll be paid less because the patriarchy undervalues us. I hold out hope that there's at least 1 genuine male feminist out there (not just someone who's pretending to be in order to get laid), but so far my hopes have been dashed. If there is one, I'm marrying him.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23596803 - 08/31/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All these financial matters must stem from some unfair money control institutions.

I've heard since the removal of the gold standard. Banks have entrapped every person In a unpayable debt scheme with fractional reserve banking only compounding the debt crisis' that lead to the many issues you guys quiver over.

So we can end all of this today. What branch of the US govt has authority over this monopolized debt creators because we can be all of this inequality by identifying  that


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    #23596804 - 08/31/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I also believe if a couple decides to have children one parent should stay at home during the child's developmental years.  The funny thing is that a lot of men are now taking that role if the female has a better paying job, so things have changed.

Ideally the mother should be the one that stays home and cares for the children, it's usually what's in the best interest of the children and that's the most important aspect of it.



What's the ratio of stay-at-home dads to stay-at-home moms? Very, very small. Unfortunately, people still think like you to a depressingly large extent, and the female gets the shaft almost all of the time.




"gets the shaft"

Do you know how many working mothers who would love to stay at home with their children?  My mother and sister who were both stay of home mothers say it was the most rewarding experience of their lives, they wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

It's not getting the shaft, it's being able to do what nature intended to happen in the first place, mothers caring for their young children.

Your modern feminism is only 50 year old, mothers caring for their young children goes back millions of years. :lol:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23596841 - 08/31/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Expecting a 50/50 ratio of stay at home moms and dads is ignorant of biosocial gender differences.
Mothers do have tighter bonds to their kids for a plethora of reasons and much more often wish to spend more time with them.

A partner, regardless of the sex, who enables his SO to stay at home with the kids, gives a great sacrifice because work fucking sucks and often destroys people, when staying at home seldom does.

Every one should be made aware that this is a highly individual choice for every couple, there's no point in generalizing at all. There are just some tendencies rooted in biological differences that should be respected.
Forcing a loving mother to work full time, suggesting she'd be not standing up for her rights otherwise, does harm, too.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596843 - 08/31/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23596853 - 08/31/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"gets the shaft"

Do you know how many working mothers who would love to stay at home with their children?  My mother and sister who were both stay of home mothers say it was the most rewarding experience of their lives, they wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

It's not getting the shaft, it's being able to do what nature intended to happen in the first place, mothers caring for their young children.

Your modern feminism is only 50 year old, mothers caring for their young children goes back millions of years. :lol:



I don't think anyone should be forced to go out and work. This is about a female having the freedom to choose what she does with her life, as opposed to having the patriarchy choose for her like it did in the fucking "good ol' days". Maybe she doesn't want to work, maybe she wants to study or be an artist. Not being obligated to clean up your messes, make you dinner and care for children you hold up as being exclusively yours is the point; this is why we need feminism. Without it, things would go back to being how they were because of people like you.


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    #23596862 - 08/31/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23596882 - 08/31/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
Expecting a 50/50 ratio of stay at home moms and dads is ignorant of biosocial gender differences.
Mothers do have tighter bonds to their kids for a plethora of reasons and much more often wish to spend more time with them.



I dispute this claim, I think this is entirely due to social conditioning.

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A partner, regardless of the sex, who enables his SO to stay at home with the kids, gives a great sacrifice because work fucking sucks and often destroys people, when staying at home seldom does.



It depends on the job. Females should have equal access to the good jobs, but we don't because males assume they're better at everything. See boilingpoint's thread on this, everyone thinks it but they're wrong. Female talent is vastly underutilized, we're mostly just shuffled around like cattle by the patriarchy. People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23596902 - 08/31/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23596999 - 08/31/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We tried to "enlighten" you, Alyssa, through logic and reasoning. It's clearly not working.

Now GTFO of this thread please.

GOOD RIDDANCE!



Wow, somebody's butt-hurt that their belief in male superiority has been challenged.  :smirk:


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    #23597039 - 08/31/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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ChemicalSpark said:
We tried to "enlighten" you, Alyssa, through logic and reasoning. It's clearly not working.

Now GTFO of this thread please.

GOOD RIDDANCE!



Wow, somebody's butt-hurt that their belief in male superiority has been challenged.  :smirk:



You really see that? Awesome! Good for you! I like you already. Are you a feminist?


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    #23597047 - 08/31/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23597067 - 08/31/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.




Or, maybe its because they dont want to be accused of stare rape by third wave feminists :lol:


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    #23597078 - 08/31/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bubbles85 said:
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Alyssa said:
People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.




Or, maybe its because they dont want to be accused of stare rape by third wave feminists :lol:



Well, I'm second-wave, so if someone stares at me I stare back. Girl power looking right at you.


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    #23597080 - 08/31/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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"gets the shaft"

Do you know how many working mothers who would love to stay at home with their children?  My mother and sister who were both stay of home mothers say it was the most rewarding experience of their lives, they wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

It's not getting the shaft, it's being able to do what nature intended to happen in the first place, mothers caring for their young children.

Your modern feminism is only 50 year old, mothers caring for their young children goes back millions of years. :lol:



I don't think anyone should be forced to go out and work. This is about a female having the freedom to choose what she does with her life, as opposed to having the patriarchy choose for her like it did in the fucking "good ol' days". Maybe she doesn't want to work, maybe she wants to study or be an artist. Not being obligated to clean up your messes, make you dinner and care for children you hold up as being exclusively yours is the point; this is why we need feminism. Without it, things would go back to being how they were because of people like you.




A woman choosing to stay home to take care of her children is a good thing, that does NOT mean she is "obligated to clean up" after her male partner and his "messes", trying to make that connection shows everyone how biased you are on the subject matter.

My mother and sister choose to stay at home with their children, they didn't think it was some horrible burden, they embraced the role that nature created for them. This reality has NOTHING to do with social conditioning. :facepalm:


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    #23597086 - 08/31/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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ChemicalSpark said:
We tried to "enlighten" you, Alyssa, through logic and reasoning. It's clearly not working.

Now GTFO of this thread please.

GOOD RIDDANCE!



Wow, somebody's butt-hurt that their belief in male superiority has been challenged.  :smirk:




Wanting the mother of his children to care for them is "male superiority"? :lolwut:


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    #23597093 - 08/31/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Murzelpfrumpft said:
Expecting a 50/50 ratio of stay at home moms and dads is ignorant of biosocial gender differences.
Mothers do have tighter bonds to their kids for a plethora of reasons and much more often wish to spend more time with them.



I dispute this claim, I think this is entirely due to social conditioning.

Quote:

Murzelpfrumpft said:
A partner, regardless of the sex, who enables his SO to stay at home with the kids, gives a great sacrifice because work fucking sucks and often destroys people, when staying at home seldom does.



It depends on the job. Females should have equal access to the good jobs, but we don't because males assume they're better at everything. See boilingpoint's thread on this, everyone thinks it but they're wrong. Female talent is vastly underutilized, we're mostly just shuffled around like cattle by the patriarchy. People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.




Wow, you are out of touch with the female progress in the workforce, no wonder you're a bitter and angry, you haven't caught up to the reality of living in 2016.

Do you know how many women I knew making over 6 figures in the corporate world?  Endless.


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    #23597114 - 08/31/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
It depends on the job. Females should have equal access to the good jobs, but we don't because males assume they're better at everything. See boilingpoint's thread on this, everyone thinks it but they're wrong. Female talent is vastly underutilized, we're mostly just shuffled around like cattle by the patriarchy. People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.




Wow, you are out of touch with the female progress in the workforce, no wonder you're a bitter and angry, you haven't caught up to the reality of living in 2016.

Do you know how many women I knew making over 6 figures in the corporate world?  Endless.



It's still nowhere near equal, don't give me that bullshit. You're out of touch if you think I am.


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    #23597225 - 08/31/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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qman said:
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Alyssa said:
It depends on the job. Females should have equal access to the good jobs, but we don't because males assume they're better at everything. See boilingpoint's thread on this, everyone thinks it but they're wrong. Female talent is vastly underutilized, we're mostly just shuffled around like cattle by the patriarchy. People don't see the female genius because they're avoiding looking at her in order not to upset their male-dominated worldview.




Wow, you are out of touch with the female progress in the workforce, no wonder you're a bitter and angry, you haven't caught up to the reality of living in 2016.

Do you know how many women I knew making over 6 figures in the corporate world?  Endless.



It's still nowhere near equal, don't give me that bullshit. You're out of touch if you think I am.




So you're striving for equal when the variables are completely different, maybe your expectations of "equality" are completely unrealistic.


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    #23597249 - 08/31/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So you're striving for equal when the variables are completely different, maybe your expectations of "equality" are completely unrealistic.



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So you're striving for equal when the variables are completely different, maybe your expectations of "equality" are completely unrealistic.



Explain yourself.




Men and women have different lifestyles, goals, and ambitions. So why would one expect "equal" outcomes?


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    #23597312 - 08/31/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Men and women have different lifestyles, goals, and ambitions.



Because patriarchy conditions them to. We're very similar except when it comes to sex. Human 2.0 (the female) has an incrementally higher average intelligence due to having crammed the same number of neural connections into a smaller space.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23597356 - 08/31/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23597386 - 08/31/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Men and women have different lifestyles, goals, and ambitions.



Because patriarchy conditions them to. We're very similar except when it comes to sex. Human 2.0 (the female) has an incrementally higher average intelligence due to having crammed the same number of neural connections into a smaller space.




"patriarchy conditions them to"

No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23597447 - 08/31/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.



I totally disagree, but I admit I don't have the necessary information to back myself up. Neither do you. Humanity hasn't solved the mysteries of consciousness to the point of knowing how much influence biological evolution has on our psyche and in what ways. There are hormonal differences and minor structural differences in the brain between the sexes, that's all we know.

As far as I can tell, I'm living proof that this maternal instinct you speak of is a social construction. If it were biological, I'd be all about having kids and staying at home to raise them like you think I should.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23597459 - 08/31/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"patriarchy conditions them to"

No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.




Tbh I think it's both. There is no doubting that humans pressure each other into conforming to gender roles. However, the gender roles are fitting for the differences in human physiology. Furthermore the human brain has evolved for social interaction which requires conformity.


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    #23597485 - 08/31/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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qman said:
No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.



I totally disagree, but I admit I don't have the necessary information to back myself up. Neither do you. Humanity hasn't solved the mysteries of consciousness to the point of knowing how much influence biological evolution has on our psyche and in what ways. There are hormonal differences and minor structural differences in the brain between the sexes, that's all we know.

As far as I can tell, I'm living proof that this maternal instinct you speak of is a social construction. If it were biological, I'd be all about having kids and staying at home to raise them like you think I should.




"I'm living proof that this maternal instinct that you speak of is a social construction"

No you're not, biological evolution offers variation for obvious survival reasons, not every woman is going to have a strong maternal instinct, that's based in biology not society.

This is why we have alpha males, beta males, alpha females, beta females, heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, non-sexuals, transsexuals, fat, skinny, tall, short, ect.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23597596 - 08/31/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
You've "cleverly" ignored the parts of my post you can't take out of context and dismiss. Males are mostly misogynist.



:feelsbadman:

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If there isn't a law saying females must be paid the same as males, we'll be paid less because the patriarchy undervalues us. I hold out hope that there's at least 1 genuine male feminist out there (not just someone who's pretending to be in order to get laid), but so far my hopes have been dashed. If there is one, I'm marrying him.




I wouldn't generalize about people based upon the community you find on the shroomery or elsewhere on the internet. You most likely know several genuine men feminists out in meat space. Myself, I am 100% a proponent of equal treatment of the sexes. There is a debate out there on the actual term "feminist" that might be best served with its own thread.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 2
    #23597626 - 08/31/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow, somebody's butt-hurt that their belief in male superiority has been challenged.  :smirk:



You really see that? Awesome! Good for you! I like you already. Are you a feminist?



I am by the feminist's definition of the word (not the chauvinistic 'men hating' definition).

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GTFO of this thread please.

GOOD RIDDANCE!



Wow, somebody's butt-hurt that their belief in male superiority has been challenged.  :smirk:



Wanting the mother of his children to care for them is "male superiority"? :lolwut:



No.  Here are a few things ChemicalSpark said:

"All those groups/concepts are trying to get laws passed that will cater to them, while making it harder for the caucasian."
"The only purpose it (feminism) serves now is to brainwash women and create gender inequality in the Females favor."


ChemicalSpark is clearly against equal treatment for women because he knows it would make his life as difficult as theirs.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23597632 - 08/31/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Wow, you are out of touch with the female progress in the workforce, no wonder you're a bitter and angry, you haven't caught up to the reality of living in 2016.

Do you know how many women I knew making over 6 figures in the corporate world?  Endless.



It's still nowhere near equal, don't give me that bullshit.



No kidding!  :toast:


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    #23597644 - 08/31/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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qman said:
Men and women have different lifestyles, goals, and ambitions.



Because patriarchy conditions them to. We're very similar except when it comes to sex. Human 2.0 (the female) has an incrementally higher average intelligence due to having crammed the same number of neural connections into a smaller space.




"patriarchy conditions them to"

No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.



We've had millions of years of biological evolution that taught us how to walk upright.  Are you arguing that people shouldn't drive cars because it's unnatural and against our evolution?


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    #23597685 - 08/31/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23597762 - 08/31/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Equal rights does not equate to equal treatment.


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qman said:
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Alyssa said:
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Men and women have different lifestyles, goals, and ambitions.



Because patriarchy conditions them to. We're very similar except when it comes to sex. Human 2.0 (the female) has an incrementally higher average intelligence due to having crammed the same number of neural connections into a smaller space.




"patriarchy conditions them to"

No, biology "conditions" humans.  I think you're pissed off at "mother nature". It is what it is.

You're trying to fight off millions of years of biological evolution, it's not gonna happen.



We've had millions of years of biological evolution that taught us how to walk upright.  Are you arguing that people shouldn't drive cars because it's unnatural and against our evolution?




If you're trying to make some sort of analogy you have failed to do so, she's suggesting that males having a dominate role in government and business is the result of a social construct, history shows males have always had the leadership role in human society, this is based in biology.

I don't think early man had any idea what "social conditioning" was the why the sexes behaved the way they did, only spoiled people in the year 2016 piss on human history and place judgment on it.


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    #23597839 - 08/31/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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she's suggesting that males having a dominate role in government and business is the result of a social construct, history shows males have always had the leadership role in human society, this is based in biology.



Only in societies that had social constructs like that.  History shows many matriarchal societies existed.


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she's suggesting that males having a dominate role in government and business is the result of a social construct, history shows males have always had the leadership role in human society, this is based in biology.



Only in societies that had social constructs like that.  History shows many matriarchal societies existed.




"many matriarchal societies existed"

A micro fraction in relative terms.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23597850 - 08/31/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Enough to prove your statement wrong that "males have always had the leadership role in human society, this is based in biology".


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23597878 - 08/31/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 2
    #23597902 - 08/31/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not disagreeing that most societies are patriarchal.  I was showing qman that this isn't a biologic necessity.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23597916 - 08/31/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not disagreeing that most societies are patriarchal.  I was showing qman that this isn't a biologic necessity.




Hey, some men have fucked goats, trees and snowmen, that doesn't mean that males haven't been biologically programmed to desire and fuck human vagina.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23597962 - 08/31/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Edit: my God, I just looked at your profile. I forgot about the gender feature on this forum.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23597992 - 08/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Respect, sister... if you're in fact female. If you're male and you're genuine, far more respect (as you're rarer than hen's teeth); would you like to explain what feminism means to you? If you're male, that is. If you're female, I'm pretty sure I get it. Sorry for the double standard, it's just that I wouldn't be able to quite believe it. All the male "feminists" I've encountered in my life have been posers trying to get laid, I'm really sorry if you're a real male feminist and I'm offending you.




He's just trying to impress you and get laid, don't buy into his fake feminist persona. :lol:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598003 - 08/31/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
Respect, sister... if you're in fact female. If you're male and you're genuine, far more respect (as you're rarer than hen's teeth); would you like to explain what feminism means to you? If you're male, that is. If you're female, I'm pretty sure I get it. Sorry for the double standard, it's just that I wouldn't be able to quite believe it. All the male "feminists" I've encountered in my life have been posers trying to get laid, I'm really sorry if you're a real male feminist and I'm offending you.




He's just trying to impress you and get laid, don't buy into his fake feminist persona. :lol:



Yeah, this is what I originally posted, so...


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 3
    #23598027 - 08/31/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He's just trying to impress you and get laid, don't buy into his fake feminist persona. :lol:



I'm happily married with a wonderful life (and wife), so there goes that theory...


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23598034 - 08/31/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't generalize about people based upon the community you find on the shroomery or elsewhere on the internet. You most likely know several genuine men feminists out in meat space.



How have they escaped my attention?

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Myself, I am 100% a proponent of equal treatment of the sexes. There is a debate out there on the actual term "feminist" that might be best served with its own thread.



OK, respect, but feminism is more than that.


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    #23598040 - 08/31/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm happily married with a wonderful life (and wife), so there goes that theory...



Wow, brother, you are awesome! :heart: I wish you were looking for a girlfriend. I seriously haven't met anyone like you. While I was asleep you demolished those sexist pigs.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23598105 - 08/31/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
He's just trying to impress you and get laid, don't buy into his fake feminist persona. :lol:



I'm happily married with a wonderful life (and wife), so there goes that theory...




So why are you looking for a mistress?  Of course I'm joking, I couldn't resist. :lol:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 3
    #23598147 - 08/31/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you so much for the really kind words Alyssa!  Nice to have someone else on my side!  As I said, I'm happily married.  But if you like any of my posts, I always appreciate when anyone clicks on the "Vote up" button next to my post.  :wink:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23598202 - 08/31/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thank you so much for the really kind words Alyssa!



You're welcome!

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Nice to have someone else on my side!



It's amazing to have someone else on mine, I've been all alone on the shroomery. Just look at my 1 lonely shroom.

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As I said, I'm happily married.



I hope she appreciates you as much as I do. Like I said, you're the first male feminist I've encountered in my entire life (I'm 28).

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But if you like any of my posts, I always appreciate when anyone clicks on the "Vote up" button next to my post.  :wink:



I've happily upvoted everything you've posted in this thread. Most definitely. You light up my life.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23598263 - 08/31/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:cuddles: Would you two get a room already? Haha, just kidding, good shit Falcon.

I'd wear that 1 shroom as a badge of honor, have you seen some of the people around here? :hitler:


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    #23598337 - 08/31/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd wear that 1 shroom as a badge of honor, have you seen some of the people around here? :hitler:



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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23598348 - 08/31/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd wear that 1 shroom as a badge of honor, have you seen some of the people around here? :hitler:



:awesomenod:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist] * 2
    #23598439 - 08/31/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23598501 - 08/31/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You compare me to hitler because I miss how America used to be a booming nation with traditional households.



Um... no.

:whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 1
    #23602300 - 09/01/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd wear that 1 shroom as a badge of honor, have you seen some of the people around here? :hitler:





You compare me to hitler because I miss how America used to be a booming nation with traditional households.

You're all fucked in the head!




Yeah, they do, and yes, they are. Anyone who wants a secure border or any type of law enforced is the next coming of Hitler, it's disgusting what the left has done to this country


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23604301 - 09/02/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The comparison wasn't to you, but that was the best emoticon I found for the sizeable and unabashed
group of white supremacists on this site. I don't consider you part of that group, but it does exist.

The way women are talked about at some points is nearly as cringe-inducing

EDIT: Thanks for the 0/5 shrooms chemspark, now I get a badge to wear around too. weeeeee


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
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I'd wear that 1 shroom as a badge of honor, have you seen some of the people around here? :hitler:



:awesomenod:



You compare me to hitler because I miss how America used to be a booming nation with traditional households and values.

You're all fucked in the head!



The comparison wasn't to you, but that was the best emoticon I found for the sizeable and unabashed
group of white supremacists on this site. I don't consider you part of that group, but it does exist.

EDIT: Thanks for the 0/5 shrooms chemspark, now I get a badge to wear around too. weeeeee



Hey, I got a zero too!  :smirk:  I realize you said you weren't actually comparing chemspark with Hitler, but here's an interesting quote from him nonetheless demonstrating "traditional households and values" of America:

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When it comes to hitler and the nazis, people need to realize that after WWI Jews flooded into Germany and we're welcomed with open arms. Only to take advantage of the Germans by infiltrating the banking system and hyper inflating their currency. So maybe, just maybe,  they deserved a little bit of what came to them.




And another just for fun:

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I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.




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    #23617168 - 09/06/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey, I got a zero too!  :smirk:  I realize you said you weren't actually comparing chemspark with Hitler, but here's an interesting quote from him nonetheless demonstrating "traditional households and values" of America:

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ChemicalSpark said:
When it comes to hitler and the nazis, people need to realize that after WWI Jews flooded into Germany and we're welcomed with open arms. Only to take advantage of the Germans by infiltrating the banking system and hyper inflating their currency. So maybe, just maybe,  they deserved a little bit of what came to them.






Oh shit.

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And another just for fun:

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I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.






Hey, don't lump anti-Islamism in with pro-Nazism. I'm also on the lookout around anyone that would be real quick to drive his truck into a crowd.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
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And another just for fun:

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I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.






Hey, don't lump anti-Islamism in with pro-Nazism. I'm also on the lookout around anyone that would be real quick to drive his truck into a crowd.



Not everyone with a head cover wants to drive a truck into a crowd.


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    #23617831 - 09/06/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not everyone with a head cover wants to drive a truck into a crowd.



Well, maybe they should do something to fix their reputation instead of tolerating the horrific injustices committed in the name of Islam. I used to think like you, when I was ignorant about Islam, but I've come to realize it's a completely fucked belief system/ideology. Female genital mutilation, sex slavery, domestic violence, rape and terrorism are basically tolerated in Muslim society, they cause no outrage from the majority of Muslims.


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Not everyone with a head cover wants to drive a truck into a crowd.



Well, maybe they should do something to fix their reputation instead of tolerating the horrific injustices committed in the name of Islam.



What do you want them to do?  There have been many Muslim marches against Muslim extremism, but the mainstream media doesn't cover this much.  What else should they do?

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I used to think like you, when I was ignorant about Islam, but I've come to realize it's a completely fucked belief system/ideology. Female genital mutilation, sex slavery, domestic violence, rape and terrorism are basically tolerated in Muslim society, they cause no outrage from the majority of Muslims.



I'm opposed to all of those things as well.  But opposing them in a Muslim country will get you into a whole lot of trouble.  Which is one of many reasons so many Muslims want to leave Muslim countries.

I'm all for screening people before letting them into Western countries, but being Muslim alone isn't a crime.  I've said many times, I live in a part of the country with a large Muslim population, and I don't feel threatened at all.  But people insist I ignore the 'good' Muslim majority and concentrate on the tiny fraction that make the news.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23617951 - 09/06/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23617989 - 09/06/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.

The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23618069 - 09/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females.




Many people these days turn a blind eye to the ills of Islam. They'd rather pretend its not happening than challenge their core belief system. Sadly this also seems to include many feminists, who seem to remain silent about the shocking treatment and rapes of women by Muslim men.

Good to see you're prepared to speak out against it and call it straight out for what it is :awesomenod:

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    #23618141 - 09/06/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.

The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.




A feminist that isn't afraid to tell the truth about the failures of Islam and it's impact on Muslim society. :thumbup:


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    #23618149 - 09/06/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females.




Many people these days turn a blind eye to the ills of Islam. They'd rather pretend its not happening than challenge their core belief system. Sadly this also seems to include many feminists, who seem to remain silent about the shocking treatment and rapes of women by Muslim men.

Good to see you're prepared to speak out against it and call it straight out for what it is :awesomenod:

Good for you :congrats:



Wow, I like you. I'm really glad you see that. Yeah, the left wing is completely intolerable to me, they support evil in the name of cultural diversity. I really thought Falcon was a genuine feminist, but I've realized what I'm actually dealing with is a progressive.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23618166 - 09/06/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.



I'm not sure what you mean by "support Islam".  I agree with every bad thing you just pointed out about religion, and I'm an atheist myself.  I'm simply telling people not to generalize all people in one religion together.  Not all Jews and Christians ignore the parts of their holy books that you don't like, and not all Muslims take every part literally.

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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam.  All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.



I don't support the Muslim majorities in Muslim countries.  I support the minorities who break away to a more civilized version of their religion in the West.  Once again, I'm not claiming all Western Muslims are ideal, but some are better than the Conservative Christians we have here.

I wished more people were atheist.  :shrug:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23618173 - 09/06/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Alyssa said:
I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.

The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.




A feminist that isn't afraid to tell the truth about the failures of Islam and it's impact on Muslim society. :thumbup:



Oh! Thanks for this comment. I seem to remember arguing with you about a feminist issue, but if you're united with me against Islam for feminist reasons I'll overlook our previous disagreement. Are you a feminist or do you draw the line somewhere between there and tolerating Islam?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 2
    #23618209 - 09/06/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ChemicalSpark said:
I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.






Hey, don't lump anti-Islamism in with pro-Nazism.

...the left wing is completely intolerable to me, they support evil in the name of cultural diversity. I really thought Falcon was a genuine feminist, but I've realized what I'm actually dealing with is a progressive.



I'm not a feminist if it means it's ok to "club one upside the head" for wearing a head cover.  :shocked:


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    #23618238 - 09/06/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not a feminist if it means it's ok to "club one upside the head" for wearing a head cover.  :shocked:



He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
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Alyssa said:
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qman said:
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Alyssa said:
I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.

The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.




A feminist that isn't afraid to tell the truth about the failures of Islam and it's impact on Muslim society. :thumbup:



Oh! Thanks for this comment. I seem to remember arguing with you about a feminist issue, but if you're united with me against Islam for feminist reasons I'll overlook our previous disagreement. Are you a feminist or do you draw the line somewhere between there and tolerating Islam?




I think our differences lie with our perspectives on how females are treated today in Western society, not IF they should have equal rights and opportunity.

I know lots of very successful, sophisticated and hard working women, nothing has stopped them from obtaining their goals.  One of my nieces is in graduate school studying bio-engineering and the other one is studying to be a PA.


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    #23618323 - 09/06/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm not a feminist if it means it's ok to "club one upside the head" for wearing a head cover.  :shocked:



He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.



Nice of you to defend him, but who was he referring to using the term "one"???

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I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.




One who covers their body obviously.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Alyssa said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm not a feminist if it means it's ok to "club one upside the head" for wearing a head cover.  :shocked:



He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.



Nice of you to defend him, but who was he referring to using the term "one"???

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ChemicalSpark said:
I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.




One who covers their body obviously.



Well, if that's the intended interpretation, then all I have to say is that I don't advocate violence except as a defense against violence.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23618424 - 09/06/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think our differences lie with our perspectives on how females are treated today in Western society, not IF they should have equal rights and opportunity.

I know lots of very successful, sophisticated and hard working women, nothing has stopped them from obtaining their goals.  One of my nieces is in graduate school studying bio-engineering and the other one is studying to be a PA.



In most cases the patriarchy doesn't stop us completely from realizing our potential. It just makes it more difficult. I see where you're coming from, and I don't really find your view as you express it here objectionable (I forget whether I objected to other things you said), I just disagree. As a female I have to deal with males thinking they're better at everything because they're male, and mansplaining to me the most obvious shit. Males hold the vast majority of the world's money and power because they control the system and rig it in their favor.

Plus as a female the threat of rape and domestic violence is much more real to me, and sexuality in general is something I'm very cautious with as a lot of males aren't sensitive enough to treat me the way I need to be treated. I have to deal with harassment by some of the most unsettling types of people especially if I'm wearing very little, which I do because I'm a naturist. I have to deal with misogynist attitudes in general, which are very pervasive in society.

Now, I admit I may swing too far the other way, but when you examine closely what I say, you realize that I basically give males a fair chance because they may be very feminine. I like males who have been strongly influenced in the feminine direction. Unfortunately, this usually means they're gay. I have a definite thing for gay guys, they're my forbidden fruit.


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    #23618491 - 09/06/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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...I'm a naturist.



:freewilly:

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Alyssa said:
...I'm a naturist.



:freewilly:

So am I.  :smirk:



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    #23618804 - 09/06/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"French police identified the perpetrator as Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a 31-year-old man of Tunisian nationality,[59] born in Tunisia, with a French residency permit and living in Nice.[9] His parents live in Tunisia and rarely heard from him since he moved to France in 2005.[60] His father said he underwent psychiatric treatment before he moved to France.[61] He married a French-Tunisian cousin, living in Nice, with whom he had three children. According to his wife's lawyer, he was repeatedly reported for domestic violence and the couple separated.[62] Police analysis of his mobile phone showed that after this separation he had numerous sexual relations with both men and women.[63][64] He was known to French police for five prior criminal offences, notably for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft.[65] ... François Molins, the prosecutor leading the investigation, announced that information gathered since the attack suggested that, except for a short period leading up to the attack, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life."[66] Neighbours reported that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel rarely spoke to them.[67] Authorities believe Lahouaiej-Bouhlel became radicalised shortly before the attack and the transformation happened quickly. Prosecutor François Molins said he had a "clear, recent interest in the radical jihadist movement".[68]

Friends said he began attending a mosque in April[69] and grew a beard for religious reasons only days before the attack.[70] He also began expressing extreme Islamist views[69] and support for Islamic State.[71] Police found images of dead bodies, Osama bin Laden, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the Islamic State flag, and a cover of Charlie Hebdo on his computer, along with links to jihadist websites; he had shown friends an Islamic State beheading video on his phone.[72] An uncle in Tunisia of Lahouaiej-Bouhlel said he heard from a relative[when?] that his nephew had been recently indoctrinated by an Algerian Islamic State member in Nice.[73]"


From wikipedia on the Nice attacker. He, and the Nice attack itself, seems much more a product of a violent psychosis than Islamic Ideology.

Its disheartening to see you write what you have above. There are millions of Muslims in the old Soviet "-stans"
and in SE Asia who don't have any propensity for violent attacks or support of the same. You can't forget to factor in the
Cold War politics, aftershocks of colonialism, and a constant supply foreign arms and money into the Middle East when looking
at the violence there.

Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head."
is at odds with your anti-violence stance.

Hate the sin not the sinner.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23618876 - 09/06/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head."
is at odds with your anti-violence stance.

Hate the sin not the sinner.



Excuse me, but I misinterpreted the statement as saying that the Muslim would be real quick to club someone upside the head and that ChemicalSpark is on the lookout around them for that reason. I even explained this already. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't see the other way that sentence could be interpreted, and I'm still not sure which is correct. I'll have to wait for ChemicalSpark to clarify.


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    #23618898 - 09/06/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
"French police identified the perpetrator as Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a 31-year-old man of Tunisian nationality,[59] born in Tunisia, with a French residency permit and living in Nice.[9] His parents live in Tunisia and rarely heard from him since he moved to France in 2005.[60] His father said he underwent psychiatric treatment before he moved to France.[61] He married a French-Tunisian cousin, living in Nice, with whom he had three children. According to his wife's lawyer, he was repeatedly reported for domestic violence and the couple separated.[62] Police analysis of his mobile phone showed that after this separation he had numerous sexual relations with both men and women.[63][64] He was known to French police for five prior criminal offences, notably for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft.[65] ... François Molins, the prosecutor leading the investigation, announced that information gathered since the attack suggested that, except for a short period leading up to the attack, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life."[66] Neighbours reported that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel rarely spoke to them.[67] Authorities believe Lahouaiej-Bouhlel became radicalised shortly before the attack and the transformation happened quickly. Prosecutor François Molins said he had a "clear, recent interest in the radical jihadist movement".[68]

Friends said he began attending a mosque in April[69] and grew a beard for religious reasons only days before the attack.[70] He also began expressing extreme Islamist views[69] and support for Islamic State.[71] Police found images of dead bodies, Osama bin Laden, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the Islamic State flag, and a cover of Charlie Hebdo on his computer, along with links to jihadist websites; he had shown friends an Islamic State beheading video on his phone.[72] An uncle in Tunisia of Lahouaiej-Bouhlel said he heard from a relative[when?] that his nephew had been recently indoctrinated by an Algerian Islamic State member in Nice.[73]"


From wikipedia on the Nice attacker. He, and the Nice attack itself, seems much more a product of a violent psychosis than Islamic Ideology.

Its disheartening to see you write what you have above. There are millions of Muslims in the old Soviet "-stans"
and in SE Asia who don't have any propensity for violent attacks or support of the same. You can't forget to factor in the
Cold War politics, aftershocks of colonialism, and a constant supply foreign arms and money into the Middle East when looking
at the violence there.

Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head."
is at odds with your anti-violence stance.

Hate the sin not the sinner.




Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". :facepalm:

"Hate the sin not the sinner"

Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23618932 - 09/06/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". :facepalm:

"Hate the sin not the sinner"

Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.



This! I didn't even bother replying to all that, I should have. I was just in total defensive mode because he misinterpreted what I said and made me look like a violent psychopath.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 2
    #23618951 - 09/06/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". :facepalm:

"Hate the sin not the sinner"

Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.



You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".


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    #23618973 - 09/06/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".



I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil. The percentage of evil Muslims around the world is far higher than for Jews or Christians. You're only taking into account those few who try to adapt Islam to civilization, they're a small minority.


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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qman said:
Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". :facepalm:

"Hate the sin not the sinner"

Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.



You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".




No, sane people are fully capable of committing horrible acts against humanity, it doesn't matter what their religious background might be, I don't buy into this "he's crazy" sentiment that many liberals seem to embrace.


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    #23618998 - 09/06/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:"Hate the sin not the sinner"

Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.


Your right, I couldn't possibly know my
reaction without being in that situation, but I really hope and pray I would be able to forgive.
I'm a sucker for those videos where the loved ones of a murdered man testify that they
have forgiven the unrepentant murderer and plead on the murders behalf for leniency.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." I cite my faith (I feel I chose it, but lets be real, I was born into it) for values
such as the quoted and I think denying our common humanity to cast judgement upon those considered "uncivilized" or "barbaric" is a big step
backwards. The world is a confusing as fuck place and so long as you aren't being a prick to your neighbors I won't
disparage your attempts to understand it and aspire to something greater.

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Alyssa said:I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil. The percentage of evil Muslims around the world is far higher than for Jews or Christians. You're only taking into account those few who try to adapt Islam to civilization, they're a small minority.


The MAJORITY of Muslims live in Asia and aren't Arab. Please, I beg you, cast this cloud of hate from before your eyes!
It is not religion but old fashioned politics, racial hatred, and money at the rotten center of the violence.


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    #23619028 - 09/06/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".



I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil.



And that's exactly what you should do!  Google can help!


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23619068 - 09/06/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The MAJORITY of Muslims live in Asia and aren't Arab. Please, I beg you, cast this cloud of hate from before your eyes!
It is not religion but old fashioned politics, racial hatred, and money at the rotten center of the violence.



FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23619077 - 09/06/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.



I agree FGM is a problem.  What about MGM?  You said you were Jewish.  :shrug:


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    #23619101 - 09/06/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.



I agree FGM is a problem.  What about MGM?  You said you were Jewish.  :shrug:



Circumcision isn't anywhere near as bad, it can't be compared at all, and I actually believe that in combination with spiritual teaching, it leads a male to live a less misogynist life because he doesn't desire sex as much, so he doesn't objectify females as much. I also believe that the Queen of Israel has been born, which means it's time to end circumcision; it's served its purpose in overcoming males' natural evil, now the Messiah is here to save people's souls. I believe males are only good because of feminine influence in life; without it their pollinating instinct takes over and they see females as sperm depositories without caring about them as human beings.


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    #23619187 - 09/06/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23619325 - 09/06/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Look at the pot calling... you know the rest.

The SCUM Manifesto was satire, you know.


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    #23619448 - 09/06/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

well this thread is somewhat entertaining!

Falcon... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: so many excellent points.:heart:

Alyssa seemed alright for a few moments before she starting babbling nonsense.
@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?

All men should be feminists IMO, in the US it just seems to have a very particularly negative association. I dont know about the movements there.

feminists should support muslim women. Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.

also..WOW at that bullshit about circumcision..!!! batshit :crazy2:
its sad that she thinks men are naturally women-hating and, well, evil. Maybe OP needs the end of his dick cut off.

Also FGM is not a muslim thing, it happens in Christian and non-abrahamic communities too.
and yes MGM is still lame but absolutely nothing compared to the horrors of FGM.

OP seems to want to deny civil rights to blacks, women, LGBT etc. Apparently equal rights = special rights? LOL those pussies wanting equal rights and treatment... how dare they?!

Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.

Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.

Slave owners got reparations when slavery was abolished, slaves did not.
Haiti, the first country to have a successful slave revolt and take over, were punished. This isnt ancient history, they only finished paying their separation-from-France fee in the 1960s!
While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation, descendants of slaves are still in shit situations. All this is very recent history and needs reparation.


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    #23620645 - 09/07/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?



I have a friend who has lived in Tel Aviv her whole life; I think that's probably a stronger connection than most American Jews have to Israel.

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Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.



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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit.



It annoys the fuck out of me that people respond to me in a negative way without reading the whole thread first. Yes, my religion is horseshit in fact. But backing Israel against Islam is important enough to me that I decided to become Jewish. My particular take on it is unique: Yahweh is female, the Messiah is female, and the patriarchs altered the word of our Creator in order to maintain the male dominator culture, so the Tanakh and the Talmud can't be trusted.


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    #23620723 - 09/07/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just clicked here and didn't go to the most recent page.

People were arguing about Islam and feminism in the same paragraphs.

People are so fucking confused.


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    #23620725 - 09/07/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Politics helps to make almost everyone look very very stupid.


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    #23621052 - 09/07/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?



I have a friend who has lived in Tel Aviv her whole life; I think that's probably a stronger connection than most American Jews have to Israel.




I'm not sure I understand. I was asking about you, not your friend. Are you saying that your connection is via your friend? And that you haven't been there yourself?

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Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.



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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit.



It annoys the fuck out of me that people respond to me in a negative way without reading the whole thread first. Yes, my religion is horseshit in fact. But backing Israel against Islam is important enough to me that I decided to become Jewish. My particular take on it is unique: Yahweh is female, the Messiah is female, and the patriarchs altered the word of our Creator in order to maintain the male dominator culture, so the Tanakh and the Talmud can't be trusted.




I did actually read the whole thread. What are you referring to?

So youre politically Jewish?? I think you need to have a look at the terminology. Perhaps you mean Zionist?

Is it just Jews living in Israel? Or are there also Muslims and Christians? So does Islam vs Israel make sense? Or are you just ignoring chunks of the Israeli citizenry?
Just as you redefine your religion to suit you, people of all faiths do this so i'll return to my most said statement: Islam is not monolithic.

Maybe OP thinks Palestinians are pussies asking for equal rights and treatment too.


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    #23621077 - 09/07/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Falcon, in answer to the OP, that America and Western countries (and beyond) are getting shitter, not because of calls to support civil rights struggles but because of neoliberalism and the increasing ownership of government by corporate elites.


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    #23621088 - 09/07/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I did actually read the whole thread. What are you referring to?



The bit of my post that I quoted.

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So youre politically Jewish?? I think you need to have a look at the terminology. Perhaps you mean Zionist?



I am politically Jewish and Zionist but I think it helps for me to endorse some elements of the Jewish faith. The faith is based very strongly on the history of the Jewish people as God's chosen faction, an idea which I like to support. Maybe it doesn't make perfect sense for me to do this, but I try to thoroughly reconcile the apparent contradictions.

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Is it just Jews living in Israel? Or are there also Muslims and Christians? So does Islam vs Israel make sense? Or are you just ignoring chunks of the Israeli citizenry?



Israel is the Jewish state, the country itself is Jewish.

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Just as you redefine your religion to suit you, people of all faiths do this so i'll return to my most said statement: Islam is not monolithic.



No, but in general I'm against Muslims because so many of them are evil. I make exceptions in individual cases, but in those cases I still fault them for supporting Islam even though they're not bad people.

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Maybe OP thinks Palestinians are pussies asking for equal rights and treatment too.



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    #23621253 - 09/07/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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well this thread is somewhat entertaining!

Falcon... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: so many excellent points.:heart:

Alyssa seemed alright for a few moments before she starting babbling nonsense.
@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?

All men should be feminists IMO, in the US it just seems to have a very particularly negative association. I dont know about the movements there.

feminists should support muslim women. Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.

also..WOW at that bullshit about circumcision..!!! batshit :crazy2:
its sad that she thinks men are naturally women-hating and, well, evil. Maybe OP needs the end of his dick cut off.

Also FGM is not a muslim thing, it happens in Christian and non-abrahamic communities too.
and yes MGM is still lame but absolutely nothing compared to the horrors of FGM.

OP seems to want to deny civil rights to blacks, women, LGBT etc. Apparently equal rights = special rights? LOL those pussies wanting equal rights and treatment... how dare they?!

Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.

Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.

Slave owners got reparations when slavery was abolished, slaves did not.
Haiti, the first country to have a successful slave revolt and take over, were punished. This isnt ancient history, they only finished paying their separation-from-France fee in the 1960s!
While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation, descendants of slaves are still in shit situations. All this is very recent history and needs reparation.




"While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"

Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?  And how much did they receive?  Very little.  Please post evidence.

"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"

Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.

"needs reparations"

You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.


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    #23621328 - 09/07/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?


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    #23621374 - 09/07/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So who has authority over the federal reserve?



Congress


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23621601 - 09/07/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.




We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America.
My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.
I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: truthfull] * 1
    #23622122 - 09/07/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?


God damn it maroon, I know thats you!

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Bubbles85 said:We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America.
My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.
I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!


I haven't seen anyone blaming the United States for the lion's share of the slave trade. The United State did, however,
hold on to slavery (with extreme violence) long after everyone else but Brazil had outlawed it. Then followed economic forms
of slavery. And the lynchings, and the segregation, and the Jim Crowe laws, and the miscegenation laws, and the police brutality,
and the political assassinations, and INTELCOPRO, and the human experimentation (Tuskegee experiment), and the sterilizations,
and this is only a small part of it. You are dreaming if you think all the discrimination ended following the death of MLK and the voting
rights act.

You might notice that Brazil, the last slavery holdout in the world, has a very different take on race than we do in America.
As does the rest of the New World.

P.S. Obviously the casualties of WW2 was a huge tragedy. No one would deny this (neo-nazi's maybe?) and I can only imagine you are talking
Falcon's words out of context, do you have a link?


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    #23622138 - 09/07/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this



You forgot about their offspring.  But perhaps a few million slaves isn't a big deal, right?

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yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!



60 million is the TOTAL deaths, including Germany and Russia.  It's an incredible tragedy.  I never downplayed the death count.

I was simply shedding some light on your assertion that "The British Government that lead the role in the defeat of the Nazis was a Conservative government lead by Sir Winston Churchill!"  :rolleyes:


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All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?




God damn it maroon, I know thats you!



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    #23622165 - 09/07/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I read an article yesterday about a book someone authored.  It spoke of having no more paper money.  There are people that feel paper money is for hiding from the tax man and other illegal activity.

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    #23622506 - 09/07/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23622545 - 09/07/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"

Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?





Are you suggesting it was 1% of slave owners who got compensation? My point was that slave owners did receive compensation which has maintained their family's status for generations since, into the present.

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And how much did they receive?  Very little.  Please post evidence.




Really? They got "very little"? I dont know much about what the compensation was like in the US but I know at least in Washington DC the 900 slave owners got $300 per slave which I imagine is slightly more than $300 in todays money.

plenty of examples of UK families who not only profitted from the trade of slaves but then from the compensation..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html

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qman said:"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"

Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.




Yeh, some black people have done very well for themselves, that doesn't counter my point that slavery and the lack of reparations have had centuries long negative implications to the community at large in their prospects.

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"needs reparations"

You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.




It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt. There have been historic abuses which has caused negative implications throughout time, into the present, for those who were on the receiving end. For those who gave that abuse, they were not only rewarded, but the reward combined with established and maintained positions in the power structure, they are better off for it. To dismiss these things as ancient history is like sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALLALALALAAA"


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    #23622557 - 09/07/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.




Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...

So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.




No, "people from all over the world" is correct. "America was built by white people" is excluding hundreds of millions of people
and implies the false statement "America was build by white people, only" (with corollary "America is for white people)

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    #23622588 - 09/07/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them.
It's natural.



You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.


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    #23622616 - 09/07/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
All men should be feminists IMO...




Hmmmmm, No.




I said it was my opinion but you don't seem to care for a rationale or state your own. good one..

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I'm against any laws that attempt to cater to small segments of the populace but in fact make it harder for the average middle class American.




Can you give an example? Which group, how are the laws catering to them and how is it making it harder for the average middle class American?

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There isn't a single law preventing those groups from achieving anything in todays society, but they still bitch and moan for more.
It seems to me that they just want to tip the tables in their favor and demonize the white portion of the population every chance they get.




Perhaps you can only see it in terms of demonisation against whites since you are blind to the reality because you are not affected by the reality of the structural violence and problems that come from racist power structures throughout the history and which continue to perpetuate inequalities? Just a thought.

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Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.




Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...

So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.




Europeans were the majority, yes, and that does not invalidate the point that it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US....


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    #23622619 - 09/07/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23622638 - 09/07/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I couldn't give less of a shit what the OP thinks.




The feelings mutual Alyssa.

Don't worry tipote, falcon and crumist. It extends to you all as well...

And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them.
It's natural.




Good one, ignore anyone who disagrees with you  :jokerclap:

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23622645 - 09/07/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.




It could be interpreted both ways because I would definitely "club one upside the head" if I needed to defend myself.



Oh, yeah, in self-defense of course, I would too. We agree on this, we both see Islam as the enemy.


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    #23622646 - 09/07/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ChemicalSpark said:And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them.
It's natural.




Oh, I see. So its not men you're after(beating), its(you want to brutalize) women who wear clothes you don't like.
And I don't feel the same way, I doubt the people who dress that way do either.
Hardly natural.

And you aren't supposed to feel guilty about history!! In an ideal world you would
come to realize we are all human beings and stop hating people who(for) happen(ing) to be
Jewish, black, or Muslim!

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    #23622656 - 09/07/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them.
It's natural.



You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.




is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?

Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?


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    #23622662 - 09/07/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?

Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?



Well, not so much females, but when I see a male Muslim I think "potential terrorist".


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    #23622665 - 09/07/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt.




Coming from a guy that's guilting "White America" for what their ancestors did.

I personally have never owned a slave, forced segregation on any segment of the population, or conducted any lynchings. So why should I feel guilty. :shrug:   





I never said you should feel guilty for something you didnt do. I was making the point that historical injustices with ramifications to the present day should be remedied, not out of guilt but in the name of justice and humanity. If it was blacks at the top of the power structure and whites at the bottom then I would still say the same thing. To you and qman its all about the poor butthurt feelings of white america taking things so personally.


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    #23622677 - 09/07/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?

Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?



Well, not so much females, but when I see a male Muslim I think "potential terrorist".




despite it being something like less than 1% of muslims in the world who are engaged in extremist jihad?

Would you be ok with people making similar judgements about you for being Jewish?

Does your feeling transfer to sihks and hindus too or are you pro at knowing who is muslim?

and LOL at "not so much females". so you still fear them clubbing you?

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    #23622704 - 09/07/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"

Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?





Are you suggesting it was 1% of slave owners who got compensation? My point was that slave owners did receive compensation which has maintained their family's status for generations since, into the present.

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And how much did they receive?  Very little.  Please post evidence.




Really? They got "very little"? I dont know much about what the compensation was like in the US but I know at least in Washington DC the 900 slave owners got $300 per slave which I imagine is slightly more than $300 in todays money.

plenty of examples of UK families who not only profitted from the trade of slaves but then from the compensation..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html

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qman said:"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"

Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.




Yeh, some black people have done very well for themselves, that doesn't counter my point that slavery and the lack of reparations have had centuries long negative implications to the community at large in their prospects.

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"needs reparations"

You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.




It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt. There have been historic abuses which has caused negative implications throughout time, into the present, for those who were on the receiving end. For those who gave that abuse, they were not only rewarded, but the reward combined with established and maintained positions in the power structure, they are better off for it. To dismiss these things as ancient history is like sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALLALALALAAA"




Slave owners in the UK did receive compensation, but that did not occur inside of the US, so why did you suggest otherwise?  I'm sorry, but 900 slaves out of 4 million is meaningless.

Should myself and my family seek reparations for past abuse of our ancestors in Poland?  I mean there's plenty there to pick from, there's negative implications that my family is still dealing with, I WANT SOME FREE SHIT.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23622709 - 09/07/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.




Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...

So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.




No, "people from all over the world" is correct. "America was built by white people" is excluding hundreds of millions of people
and implies the false statement "America was build by white people, only" (with corollary "America is for white people)

The case for reparations; trigger warning contains a black mans opinion




"is excluding hundreds of millions of people"

You pulled that out of your ass. :facepalm:


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    #23622724 - 09/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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despite it being something like less than 1% of muslims in the world who are engaged in extremist jihad?

Would you be ok with people making similar judgements about you for being Jewish?

Does your feeling transfer to sihks and hindus too or are you pro at knowing who is muslim?

and LOL at "not so much females". so you still fear them clubbing you?

:hahthatsrich:



I don't think females are very likely to be violent, but it's still possible. Female suicide bombers come to mind. I don't care about your statistics, I believe that a substantial fraction of male Muslims are prone to violence; Islam is an evil ideology. I'm not aware of Sikhs or Hindus being especially violent. I'm OK with any judgments people make about me for being Jewish, it's worth it to be able to express my full solidarity with the people of Israel. Furthermore, such judgments in my case are likely to be wrong as I interpret Judaism in a unique and very different way.


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    #23622730 - 09/07/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
All men should be feminists IMO...




Hmmmmm, No.




I said it was my opinion but you don't seem to care for a rationale or state your own. good one..

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ChemicalSpark said:
I'm against any laws that attempt to cater to small segments of the populace but in fact make it harder for the average middle class American.




Can you give an example? Which group, how are the laws catering to them and how is it making it harder for the average middle class American?

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ChemicalSpark said:
There isn't a single law preventing those groups from achieving anything in todays society, but they still bitch and moan for more.
It seems to me that they just want to tip the tables in their favor and demonize the white portion of the population every chance they get.




Perhaps you can only see it in terms of demonisation against whites since you are blind to the reality because you are not affected by the reality of the structural violence and problems that come from racist power structures throughout the history and which continue to perpetuate inequalities? Just a thought.

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ChemicalSpark said:
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Tipote said:
Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.




Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...

So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.




Europeans were the majority, yes, and that does not invalidate the point that it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US....




"it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US"

So now it's just semantics at this point, anything to diminish white Europeans.  How about putting it into a proper perspective instead of making generalizations?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
    #23622742 - 09/07/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23622757 - 09/07/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
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Tipote said:
It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt.




Coming from a guy that's guilting "White America" for what their ancestors did.

I personally have never owned a slave, forced segregation on any segment of the population, or conducted any lynchings. So why should I feel guilty. :shrug:   





I never said you should feel guilty for something you didnt do. I was making the point that historical injustices with ramifications to the present day should be remedied, not out of guilt but in the name of justice and humanity. If it was blacks at the top of the power structure and whites at the bottom then I would still say the same thing. To you and qman its all about the poor butthurt feelings of white america taking things so personally.




Don't you realize trying to fix past "injustices" with reparations is a never ending battle that can never be accomplished? 

Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!

How far back do you go back?  A hundred years, five hundred, a thousand?

What about reparations for people that had a family member die in a unjust war?

What about reparations for Europeans that were mistreated when they arrived in the US?

What about reparations for people that had women family members oppressed in early America?

What about reparations for people that had ancestors abused by child labor in early America?

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    #23622814 - 09/07/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America.
My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.




when you say "here" what do you mean? You are in the UK right?

You do realise that just because the majority of the slaves may have not been in North America, there were British, French and Spanish colonies throughout the Caribbean and south america.. right?

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I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.




I agree

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Bubbles85 said:
Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!




I think Falc dealt with this adequately. No one downplayed their deaths.

Also, is anyone going to acknowledge the millions of "third worlders" who fought and died for the allies? Those parasites..


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    #23622892 - 09/07/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23622927 - 09/07/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Slave owners in the UK did receive compensation, but that did not occur inside of the US, so why did you suggest otherwise?  I'm sorry, but 900 slaves out of 4 million is meaningless.





Sorry where is the 4 million figure from? Is that the number of slaves in the US at that time?

Why are you saying that compensation for slave owners did not happen within the US when i've just given you an example of this exact thing happening in Washington DC?? its called the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act. It was attempted in many states but did not pass elsewhere.
Anyway.. my original point was referring to British slave owners because, as I said, I didn't know the extent of compensation in the US.

And i made a mistake, it was about 900-odd slave owners and actually over 3000 slaves. Still nothing though, right?

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Should myself and my family seek reparations for past abuse of our ancestors in Poland?  I mean there's plenty there to pick from, there's negative implications that my family is still dealing with, I WANT SOME FREE SHIT.




Its not about free shit. Yes amends should have been made for gross injustices. Slavery is a gross injustice of huge proportions.


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    #23622943 - 09/07/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
Also, is anyone going to acknowledge the millions of "third worlders" who fought and died for the allies? Those parasites..




You're the first to mention them, as well as call them parasites.




Clearly, i did not mean they were parasites. It was a reference to previous conversations that clearly you are not aware of.

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Why did you even comment on this thread in the first place?




Why would you ask that? Why did you start this thread in the first place? Did you only want people who agree with you to comment? I forgot that is how discussion really works. :crazy2::lol:


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    #23622961 - 09/07/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!


It ends when we are able to get the most use we possibly can out of our human capital. It ends when we stop having
brilliant people working at McDonalds their whole life because they were born poor or black.
There will never be an end to working to reduce sexual harassment in the workplace or domestic violence.

I see nothing wrong with always trying to make society more equal though, as would any reasonable minded person.
Only when you think of nonwhite people as slightly subhuman or poor people as inherently lacking in morality might
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Tipote said:
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qman said:
Slave owners in the UK did receive compensation, but that did not occur inside of the US, so why did you suggest otherwise?  I'm sorry, but 900 slaves out of 4 million is meaningless.





Sorry where is the 4 million figure from? Is that the number of slaves in the US at that time?

Why are you saying that compensation for slave owners did not happen within the US when i've just given you an example of this exact thing happening in Washington DC?? its called the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act. It was attempted in many states but did not pass elsewhere.
Anyway.. my original point was referring to British slave owners because, as I said, I didn't know the extent of compensation in the US.

And i made a mistake, it was about 900-odd slave owners and actually over 3000 slaves. Still nothing though, right?

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Should myself and my family seek reparations for past abuse of our ancestors in Poland?  I mean there's plenty there to pick from, there's negative implications that my family is still dealing with, I WANT SOME FREE SHIT.




Its not about free shit. Yes amends should have been made for gross injustices. Slavery is a gross injustice of huge proportions.




You see, I don't arrogantly judge every historical act of perceived injustice in the year 2016 like you do, I don't want amends, I don't blame my present and future on the past.

Going back into the past and pissing and whining about everything accomplishes very little, in fact it's counterproductive in almost all aspects. If you want to send race relations back another 50 years, go ahead and demand free shit from people that had NOTHING to do with those injustices.


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    #23623021 - 09/07/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
despite it being something like less than 1% of muslims in the world who are engaged in extremist jihad?

Would you be ok with people making similar judgements about you for being Jewish?

Does your feeling transfer to sihks and hindus too or are you pro at knowing who is muslim?

and LOL at "not so much females". so you still fear them clubbing you?

:hahthatsrich:



I don't think females are very likely to be violent, but it's still possible. Female suicide bombers come to mind. I don't care about your statistics, I believe that a substantial fraction of male Muslims are prone to violence; 




a substantial fraction of men are prone to violence.

Youre more likely to die from toddlers accidentally shooting you, the innocent veiled woman in your proximity does not give a fuck about you and has no interest in violence. If anything, they probably look at you side-wise thinking the same thing - that you might inflict violence upon them. More violence is happening against muslims than against non-muslim Americans.

Ignore statistics, sense, logic anything you like.

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Islam is an evil ideology.



which believes in Moses, Abraham and the Jewish teachings.

again.... ISLAM IS NOT MONOLITHIC - yes there are people who use religion for evil purposes but this is not the full story.
Are you aware of the evil purposes that Judaism, Christianity is used for? Is that the full story? NO

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I'm not aware of Sikhs or Hindus being especially violent.




You missed the point :smbfacepalm:

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I'm OK with any judgments people make about me for being Jewish, it's worth it to be able to express my full solidarity with the people of Israel. Furthermore, such judgments in my case are likely to be wrong as I interpret Judaism in a unique and very different way.




Since you interpret Judaism in your own way, why can't you understand that billions of people do this around the world with their own religions?

Also.. judgements about being Jewish is one thing, but these prejudices with the power structure behind them means all kinds of nasty shit for those affected. As a Jew, you should be more aware of this considering Jewish history. In fact, it is many Jewish groups in the US coming out in defense of Islam for this reason.

And about solidarity with israel.. you have never been there, you don't know what israel is doing in the name of judaism and you pretend that Israel doesnt have a ton of muslim and christian citizens as it is the holy land after all. I asked you if you were politically Jewish, the term means nothing but you identify with it anyway. It assumes that Jews have one political position, if you knew anything about the Jewish community then you would know this isnt the case. Even if you didnt know a thing about the Jewish community, you should realise this obvious truth...


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    #23623029 - 09/07/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!


It ends when we are able to get the most use we possibly can out of our human capital. It ends when we stop having
brilliant people working at McDonalds their whole life because they were born poor or black.
There will never be an end to working to reduce sexual harassment in the workplace or domestic violence.

I see nothing wrong with always trying to make society more equal though, as would any reasonable minded person.
Only when you think of nonwhite people as slightly subhuman or poor people as inherently lacking in morality might
you be happy with the status quo.




"when we stop having brilliant people working at McDonalds their whole life because they were born poor or black"

Are you OK?  Are you suggesting a brilliant highly educated black person is going to have to work at McDonalds just because of their race?

BTW, there's nothing wrong with working at a restaurant, why do you think it's so demeaning?

"nothing wrong with trying to make society more equal"

How about trying to give EVERYONE equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES!!

You're fixated on equal outcomes, that can't happen because everyone is different.


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    #23623034 - 09/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US"

So now it's just semantics at this point, anything to diminish white Europeans.  How about putting it into a proper perspective instead of making generalizations?




Sorry but words mean things. I am doing the opposite of generalising to say that it wasn't JUST Europeans.

Diminish white Europeans? NO, its just about making accurate statements! How does it diminish white Europeans???? :lol:


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    #23623035 - 09/07/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23623111 - 09/07/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I said it was my opinion but you don't seem to care for a rationale or state your own. good one..




I replied with the amount of intelligence and energy I thought your comment deserved. Near zero.




:jokerclap:

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Can you give an example? Which group, how are the laws catering to them and how is it making it harder for the average middle class American?




A better question would be "which one of those groups is not pushing for laws that give them preferential treatment?"...

But here's one example that has affected my peers as well as myself. The "Affirmative Action" minority quota bull shit that many Universities are enforcing.

Untold numbers of caucasian males, applying with higher GPAs and all around better credentials than their ethnically diverse peers, are turned away in order to cater to the minority.




Untold numbers? Do you have figures on this?
Do these peers of yours not end up in good universities with their superior GPAs?

While i'm sure AA does cause a lot of butthurt for people, can you show that "they were turned down to cater to the minority"? Surely its good for the middle classes for those who might have previously have been held back from education to study. Its not like they automatically pass their exams and graduate for being black. While I can imagine that there are some very unreasonable applicatinos of AA, i'm yet to see the clear case laid out by you. In the grand scheme of things I dont think its a big deal.

I'm interested to learn if you actually want to engage in adult discussion. I don't know much about AA across the country but i'm certain this is not a reason why things in the US have been getting shitter :lol: perhaps you can explain?

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Perhaps you can only see it in terms of demonisation against whites since you are blind to the reality because you are not affected by the reality of the structural violence and problems that come from racist power structures throughout the history and which continue to perpetuate inequalities? Just a thought.




Perhaps you're a liberal pansy quack... Just a thought.




ohhh boom, you sure showed me! What an argument! I can see why you don't like talking with people who disagree with you.
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Europeans were the majority, yes, and that does not invalidate the point that it wasn't just white Europeans that build the US....




Did I say it was invalidated? No.
I simply pointed out the group that contributed the most, many of which also immigrated to America.

You can twist my words however you want, but they were pretty straightforward.




words mean things, there is no twisting here.


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    #23623134 - 09/07/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you realize trying to fix past "injustices" with reparations is a never ending battle that can never be accomplished? 

Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!

How far back do you go back?  A hundred years, five hundred, a thousand?

What about reparations for people that had a family member die in a unjust war?

What about reparations for Europeans that were mistreated when they arrived in the US?

What about reparations for people that had women family members oppressed in early America?

What about reparations for people that had ancestors abused by child labor in early America?

Or is this just about black and white for you and others?




No, mate, you are the black and white thinker, among others, here.

The point is that slavery over centuries is just not comparable to any of your examples for other cases for reparations.

Why is it so difficult to understand this?


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    #23623153 - 09/07/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All religions since long ago are based on versions of the word of God that have been perverted by patriarchs so that they can continue to subjugate females. Islam has perverted it to the extreme, at least in the way it's practiced. FGM, sex slavery, domestic violence, rape and terrorism are all prevalent in Muslim culture and tolerated by most Muslims, even those who don't perpetrate them themselves. I haven't read the Quran so I don't know if the perversion is religious or cultural, but I don't see the need to make that distinction.

Jews on the whole are a peaceful people who ignore the evil parts of the Tanakh and value love higher than anything else. I don't take my holy book at face value at all, I only value it as a history of my people and a collection of praise to God who is in fact female even if the people who wrote the Psalms etc. didn't know that. I take the entire thing and make it about worshiping the almighty female. I think it's awesome that I'm appropriating a part of history and culture that is important to so many people and using it to further my feminist cause.


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    #23623185 - 09/07/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you realize trying to fix past "injustices" with reparations is a never ending battle that can never be accomplished? 

Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!

How far back do you go back?  A hundred years, five hundred, a thousand?

What about reparations for people that had a family member die in a unjust war?

What about reparations for Europeans that were mistreated when they arrived in the US?

What about reparations for people that had women family members oppressed in early America?

What about reparations for people that had ancestors abused by child labor in early America?

Or is this just about black and white for you and others?




No, mate, you are the black and white thinker, among others, here.

The point is that slavery over centuries is just not comparable to any of your examples for other cases for reparations.

Why is it so difficult to understand this?




Oh really, injustices and their level of magnitude are to be judged solely by people that think like you?  Who nominated you the moral authority of past injustices?

You don't think making a 7 year old child to work a 12 hour day in a factory isn't abuse?  It's not enough for you because they weren't in chains?

You do realize that slaves received a higher level of compensation than many people working in third world countries today? Where's your outrage in 2016?  Nah, you're more fixated on injustices from a few hundred years ago. :facepalm:


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    #23623191 - 09/07/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You see, I don't arrogantly judge every historical act of perceived injustice in the year 2016 like you do, I don't want amends, I don't blame my present and future on the past.




I'm not talking about perceived injustices in the present. I'm talking about historical actual gross injustices.

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Going back into the past and pissing and whining about everything accomplishes very little, in fact it's counterproductive in almost all aspects. If you want to send race relations back another 50 years, go ahead and demand free shit from people that had NOTHING to do with those injustices.




Are people pissing and whining about the legacy of slavery???????

How is it counter productive? Because it brings up a history that does not affect you because of your privilege as a white man?

Can you imagine what Africa would be like today without the global slave trade??

Its not about free shit, its about reparations. Repairing the damage - or because that is impossible, to at least make steps towards it.

How can you not see the gross injustice even in giving compensation to slave owners but nothing except centuries of oppression for freed slaves?

You and chemicalspark can cry all you like about how you didnt personally have a slave or that it demonises white people.. but do you think money would only be taken from white people? It is a collective cause for humanity.


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    #23623229 - 09/07/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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How about trying to give EVERYONE equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES!!

You're fixated on equal outcomes, that can't happen because everyone is different.



That's exactly what I'm talking about.  People who grow up in the ghetto don't have the same opportunities as those who grow up in their parent's mansion.


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    #23623230 - 09/07/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh really, injustices and their level of magnitude are to be judged solely by people that think like you?  Who nominated you the moral authority of past injustices?

You don't think making a 7 year old child to work a 12 hour day in a factory isn't abuse?  It's not enough for you because they weren't in chains?




dear god, you really dont understand.

making a 7 year old child work a 12 hour day in a factory is abuse, obviously it is. But this does not have rammifications over centuries!!!

and yes, there is a big difference that those children were not actual property their entire lives and descendants of people stolen from other countries.

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You do realize that slaves received a higher level of compensation than many people working in third world countries today? Where's your outrage in 2016?  Nah, you're more fixated on injustices from a few hundred years ago. :facepalm:




What do you mean by this? Slaves got higher level of compensation than people working in third world countries?

No i'm not fixated on injustices from a few hundred years ago. The injustices continue to the present day. there is slavery still in the world.
Also I already made the point about Haiti only just paying off its separation-fee to france in the 60s after 100 years. This is not ancient history!!!!!


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    #23623245 - 09/07/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You see, I don't arrogantly judge every historical act of perceived injustice in the year 2016 like you do, I don't want amends, I don't blame my present and future on the past.




I'm not talking about perceived injustices in the present. I'm talking about historical actual gross injustices.

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Going back into the past and pissing and whining about everything accomplishes very little, in fact it's counterproductive in almost all aspects. If you want to send race relations back another 50 years, go ahead and demand free shit from people that had NOTHING to do with those injustices.




Are people pissing and whining about the legacy of slavery???????

How is it counter productive? Because it brings up a history that does not affect you because of your privilege as a white man?

Can you imagine what Africa would be like today without the global slave trade??

Its not about free shit, its about reparations. Repairing the damage - or because that is impossible, to at least make steps towards it.

How can you not see the gross injustice even in giving compensation to slave owners but nothing except centuries of oppression for freed slaves?

You and chemicalspark can cry all you like about how you didnt personally have a slave or that it demonises white people.. but do you think money would only be taken from white people? It is a collective cause for humanity.




I'm a Slav from Poland, what the hell did I have to do with it?  In fact, what about my reparations, Slavs = slaves. :shrug: 

Can you imagine what Poland would be like today?  I mean the horrible injustices of my people still affects my family today, please help us?  It is a collect cause for humanity. :cookiemonster:


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    #23623255 - 09/07/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The point is that slavery over centuries is just not comparable to any of your examples for other cases for reparations.





Your argument for reparations seems to be based on the following point you made:

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I was making the point that historical injustices with ramifications to the present day should be remedied, not out of guilt but in the name of justice and humanity.




Seeing that most historical injustices have present day ramifications, why shouldn't we have reparations for family members who die in unjust wars? If a bunch of fathers/breadwinners die in a war their children and their future offspring are left in a pretty bad situation. Many working class families may be a lot better off today if it wasn't for such historical injustices.


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    #23623259 - 09/07/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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How about trying to give EVERYONE equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES!!

You're fixated on equal outcomes, that can't happen because everyone is different.



That's exactly what I'm talking about.  People who grow up in the ghetto don't have the same opportunities as those who grow up in their parent's mansion.




That's why the ultimate goal is equal opportunity, blacks in the US ghetto have more opportunity than blacks in Africa, what's your solution?  In fact, blacks in the US ghetto still live better than 95% of the world's population, I wonder why?  :rofl2:


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    #23623266 - 09/07/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh really, injustices and their level of magnitude are to be judged solely by people that think like you?  Who nominated you the moral authority of past injustices?

You don't think making a 7 year old child to work a 12 hour day in a factory isn't abuse?  It's not enough for you because they weren't in chains?




dear god, you really dont understand.

making a 7 year old child work a 12 hour day in a factory is abuse, obviously it is. But this does not have rammifications over centuries!!!

and yes, there is a big difference that those children were not actual property their entire lives and descendants of people stolen from other countries.

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You do realize that slaves received a higher level of compensation than many people working in third world countries today? Where's your outrage in 2016?  Nah, you're more fixated on injustices from a few hundred years ago. :facepalm:




What do you mean by this? Slaves got higher level of compensation than people working in third world countries?

No i'm not fixated on injustices from a few hundred years ago. The injustices continue to the present day. there is slavery still in the world.
Also I already made the point about Haiti only just paying off its separation-fee to france in the 60s after 100 years. This is not ancient history!!!!!




Paying for the slave, housing them, feeding them and giving them free health care is much more expensive than paying .40 cents per hour to someone in Vietnam in the year 2016. 

In fact, accounting records showed that owning slaves was not very profitable after the price of cotton declined, it was more for ego and show than money.


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    #23623319 - 09/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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How about trying to give EVERYONE equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES!!

You're fixated on equal outcomes, that can't happen because everyone is different.



That's exactly what I'm talking about.  People who grow up in the ghetto don't have the same opportunities as those who grow up in their parent's mansion.




That's why the ultimate goal is equal opportunity, blacks in the US ghetto have more opportunity than blacks in Africa, what's your solution?  In fact, blacks in the US ghetto still live better than 95% of the world's population, I wonder why?  :rofl2:



No where did anyone say blacks in Africa should have the same opportunity as blacks in the US.

I thought I was agreeing with YOUR point "to give EVERYONE equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOMES!!" in the US.  :shrug:


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    #23623392 - 09/07/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:No where did anyone say blacks in Africa should have the same opportunity as blacks in the US.


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    #23623554 - 09/07/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Seeing that most historical injustices have present day ramifications, why shouldn't we have reparations for family members who die in unjust wars? If a bunch of fathers/breadwinners die in a war their children and their future offspring are left in a pretty bad situation. Many working class families may be a lot better off today if it wasn't for such historical injustices.




offspring left in a "pretty bad situation"?? really?

While what you say is true.. having a father die is not the same as millions being forcibly taken from another country, where millions die along the way, to then be treated as nothing more than property for centuries and when emancipation finally comes, you still have to start your new life being treated as degenerate/subhuman for another couple of hundred years.


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    #23623572 - 09/07/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Paying for the slave, housing them, feeding them and giving them free health care is much more expensive than paying .40 cents per hour to someone in Vietnam in the year 2016. 

In fact, accounting records showed that owning slaves was not very profitable after the price of cotton declined, it was more for ego and show than money.





aaahhh man youre right, those slaves were living the dream and should have been grateful, hey?!

who cares about being forced from your country, denied freedom or humanity for centuries etc, at least they got free healthcare, food and a roof over their head, right?!?! :lol: :smbfacepalm:

really, qman? really??


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    #23623678 - 09/07/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Paying for the slave, housing them, feeding them and giving them free health care is much more expensive than paying .40 cents per hour to someone in Vietnam in the year 2016. 

In fact, accounting records showed that owning slaves was not very profitable after the price of cotton declined, it was more for ego and show than money.





aaahhh man youre right, those slaves were living the dream and should have been grateful, hey?!

who cares about being forced from your country, denied freedom or humanity for centuries etc, at least they got free healthcare, food and a roof over their head, right?!?! :lol: :smbfacepalm:

really, qman? really??




No one is trying to justify the actions of the slave owners, all I'm stating is that there's even worst compensation being paid for labor today.

With that being said, slavery is still worst than paying someone lower wages in a third world nation today, at least they still have more freedom.


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offspring left in a "pretty bad situation"?? really?

While what you say is true.. having a father die is not the same as millions being forcibly taken from another country, where millions die along the way, to then be treated as nothing more than property for centuries and when emancipation finally comes, you still have to start your new life being treated as degenerate/subhuman for another couple of hundred years.




Many immigrant populations that arrived with no wealth were treated as "subhuman" throughout American history (Irish, Italian, and Chinese come to mind). Where are their calls for reparations?

Either way, on an individual level, a father dying during childhood has a similar effect. Having to work all day, in a position lower than you father with no advancement opportunity, would kill someones life opportunities and drop the family's social class significantly. Thus, the child's offspring (being born poor) would have far less opportunities then they would have had otherwise.

Unless your argument is that being non black inherently grants you more opportunities then there is no reason to prioritize reparations for the descendants of slaves over the descendants of war victims.


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    #23623847 - 09/07/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?

If you can understand how having a dead breadwinner might put their children at a disadvantage, how can you not understand the gravity of that happening generation after generation after generation etc to people treated as property for centuries?

Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!


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    #23623953 - 09/07/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?





What matters isn't what happened over the course of many generations but the effects of what happened. My argument is that, on an individual level, a broke Chinese immigrant was in a condition slimier a post-emancipation slave. Due to injustices out of their control both had no money, no familial wealth to rely upon, and dealt with constant racism. A recently freed slave's family history placed his lifestyle in a comparable position to that of a newly arriving immigrant.

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Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!




Is being white in and of itself granting someone more opportunities or is it being born into a better off family? No ones giving career opportunities to people in trailer parks just because they're white.


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    #23624035 - 09/07/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have a link on laborers today being treated worse
than slaves were? The same argument was being made
in the ante bellum period, but then, as now, there are doubts
to this claim.

Slaves were fed gruel and the meat trimmings that don't even make
it into the hot dogs today. There was no recourse for beatings and rape.
Family members could be separated. There isn't any comparison to any
wage workers today. There still are slaves, but there is a difference between
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    #23625036 - 09/08/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What matters isn't what happened over the course of many generations but the effects of what happened. My argument is that, on an individual level, a broke Chinese immigrant was in a condition slimier a post-emancipation slave. Due to injustices out of their control both had no money, no familial wealth to rely upon, and dealt with constant racism. A recently freed slave's family history placed his lifestyle in a comparable position to that of a newly arriving immigrant.




Why does it not matter what happened over generations as well as the effects of what happened?

I think i understand your point but I dont understand why you seem to portray the legacy of slavery was just having no money and facing racism. Again, i think you are undervaluing the implications of centuries of slavery. Yes Chinese immigrants faced a lack of money and racism if youre looking just at that individual level at that one snapshot in time. What about the multiple generations denied freedom and humanity, cultures destroyed, families fragmented, etc over centuries without any compensation for the abuses against them. Surely that has a greater weight on exslaves ontop of the shared struggles of your chinese immigrant example. Slavery denied generation after generation the autonomy to make their own lives, why would that not have a lasting impact? Are the descendants of chinese immigrants disproportionately poor and alienated in the present day? In the global racist structure, blacks are at the bottom. While things have changed massively, there is still a long way to go. Look at the state of native Americans today too!

How many people accept the term African holocaust? Its typically dismissed.

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Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!




Is being white in and of itself granting someone more opportunities or is it being born into a better off family? No ones giving career opportunities to people in trailer parks just because they're white.




Both and blacks are at a disadvantage in both regards. Yes there are more opportunities for whites, and if you also come from a wealthier family then the opportunities are even greater. Having opportunities by being white doesnt mean people will be going around trailer parks to give white people jobs. If you are poor and white, you still have fewer struggles than those who are poor and black. There are fewer obstacles to improving your situation. Yes if you are rich and black, you have an advantage that comes with wealth.. but we do not live in a postracial society and even rich black people face racism and therefore missed opportunities because of their race. 

But all the statistics of how clearly disproportionately affected black communities are are just swept under the carpet by those (like qman and others) who think its just a sign of how blacks are naturally disadvantaged while ignoring all the conditions that impose disadvantage upon people. When a racist looks at these stats, it doesn't open their eyes, it confirms what they already think about the natural potential of the "black race" - whatever the fuck that means.


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    #23625039 - 09/08/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone else noticed that the more liberal America has become, the shittier it's gotten?


The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.


COINCIDENCE?    I think NOT!!!



Lets get back to slapping the bitch out of people. The world will be a better place!









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    #23625046 - 09/08/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and you're absolutley right, the more liberal it gets the shittier it gets.  no question.


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    #23625112 - 09/08/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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    #23625144 - 09/08/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and you're absolutley right, the more liberal it gets the shittier it gets.  no question.




I'm glad you're able to see it for what it is, Sprinkles.


I'm 11 pages into a thread I thought would get little attention.

Needless to say I'm burnt out on the topic, but there's one last vital tid bit to add before I'm on my way.


This one's directed towards you Tipote!



Good Riddance!




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OHHH mannn you just keep proving what I was saying!! All you want here is for an echo chamber. Sprinkles didn't even elaborate on her position or about why she agrees with you or not, she might as well have said "yup". Thats what you wanted tho, a thread of "yups".

Why come to a discussion forum if you can't take discussion with people who have different views from you? and why can you only resort to insults? This says a fuckton more about you than about me. :lmafo:

I hope you are mega impressed with yourself. Congrats!
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    #23625192 - 09/08/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?

If you can understand how having a dead breadwinner might put their children at a disadvantage, how can you not understand the gravity of that happening generation after generation after generation etc to people treated as property for centuries?

Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!




"Being white grants you more opportunities"

You can't quantify that statement.

"the power structure is one of white supremacy"

You can't quantify that statement.


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    #23625388 - 09/08/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

surprise surprise, grand wizard qman doesn't accept that white supremacy is the prevailing and historical power structure in the US


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23625395 - 09/08/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

would I be correct in guessing that you must have been born in the 90's and this 2nd world shithole is all you know? 


it comes down to family values I believe. One problem is selfish women rampantly having kids out of wedlock regardless if the man wants them.  No one bats an eye at the immorality of sex without consequences and porn and everything else.
You have single women raising kids (boys) while trying to work and be a good parent (feminism ruined this country) is impossible.  You can only do one of them well.  So many women try to trap men with kids they dont want and women need something to love them because most dont love or value themselves.  This is just one thing that's wrong with this shithole.  I wont get into any more cause i could take all day.


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    #23625415 - 09/08/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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surprise surprise, grand wizard qman doesn't accept that white supremacy is the prevailing and historical power structure in the US




So white supremacy is the prevailing power structure in the US?

Can you point out any current laws that show this promote this white supremacy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

Lets see how the phrase is defined- "promotion of the belief, that white people are superior..."


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    #23625440 - 09/08/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

who cares about color.  this is Amexica, people are stupid regardless what color they are.  As amexicans we have a wide range of alpine people to charcoal black people.  No one cares.


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    #23625449 - 09/08/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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who cares about color.  this is Amexica, people are stupid regardless what color they are.  As amexicans we have a wide range of alpine people to charcoal black people.  No one cares.




"who care about color"

Mostly liberals who scream racism every two seconds.


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    #23625574 - 09/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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would I be correct in guessing that you must have been born in the 90's and this 2nd world shithole is all you know? 


it comes down to family values I believe. One problem is selfish women rampantly having kids out of wedlock regardless if the man wants them.  No one bats an eye at the immorality of sex without consequences and porn and everything else.
You have single women raising kids (boys) while trying to work and be a good parent (feminism ruined this country) is impossible.  You can only do one of them well.  So many women try to trap men with kids they dont want and women need something to love them because most dont love or value themselves.  This is just one thing that's wrong with this shithole.  I wont get into any more cause i could take all day.




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    #23625634 - 09/08/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and you're absolutley right, the more liberal it gets the shittier it gets.  no question.




I'm glad you're able to see it for what it is, Sprinkles.



But that's not what it is.  I pointed out what has happened at the beginning of this thread:

"It's gotten shittier because the super wealthy control Government again.  Things have gotten shittier ever since Reagan handed the Government over to the elite."

The fact is that every President since Reagan (democrats included) devoted their Presidency towards helping the super wealthy.


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    #23625683 - 09/08/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The fact is that every President since Reagan (democrats included) devoted their Presidency towards helping the super wealthy.




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    #23626277 - 09/08/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Falcon, you forgot to add that all the presidents before Reagan did the same.

Taking this forum as an example, it is self described white supremacists who start posts every other day of "fucking blacks,
when will people wake up to the reality of white genocide? Race war now!"


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23626321 - 09/08/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

when the armadillo begins and jesus comes color wont matter.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23626730 - 09/08/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon, you forgot to add that all the presidents before Reagan did the same.



Let's see...

Income inequality was going down until 1980:





Income between the middle class and wealthy used to go up together, until 1980 when it only went up for the rich (and it's gone up a LOT for them since then):





Debt/GDP used to go down every year until the tax cuts for the super rich in 1980:





In summary, things were getting better and better each year for the middle class until the 1980s.






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    #23626833 - 09/08/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im with you that Reagan was a shitty President and that the conservative worship of him is extremely tiresome,
but he was hardly the first president to work for America's elite class. McKinley, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, and all the rest not listed.
Maybe Eisenhower, Carter, and Johnson
threw the 99% of American people some bones, but its been "the rich get what they want from the gov't and everyone
else can eat cake" since the Constitution was signed, by a bunch of rich, white dudes with funny wigs.
This is hardly a flaw specific to America either, but a universal element throughout the vast majority of civilization.

There are many more factors that add to your points, but yeah, Reagan fucked the American plebians particularly hard.
The tax changes were a massive redistribution of wealth from the plebs to the elites, but you can't forget how he also
gutted the "War on Poverty" and the social safety net that were both working as promised. Then he spends record breaking amounts
stockpiling nukes and growing the conventional army at breakneck speed. To his credit, he did sign START though.

And I hate to actually defend the guy, but as always, greater global economic forces played a role in "stagflation" too.
Europe and China had undergone transformations and were finally emerging players on the world stage again.


Scratch that, the economy went through its cycles, but your second pic clearly illustrates that the rich were doing better and better
as "stagflation" sunk the 99% lower and lower.


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    #23626880 - 09/08/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree.  :thumbup:

For those that would argue Reagan helped the economy, he did it through massive stimulus money (aka deficit spending).  Anyone knows that will help the economy in the short term; it's how we avoided a second Great Recession in 2008.


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    #23627070 - 09/08/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Errrrrr, building tanks and nukes and constantly having a large fraction of our airforce scrambled in the air didn't increase anyone's welfare one iota.
Maybe it helped (the captains of the Military-Industrial-Prison complex) in the short term, but looking back from today, it is equivilent to flushing money down the toilet. That stimulus
could have educated the populace, or kept up with our infrastructure, or provide programs to expand the middle class. But instead we decided to flail our dick
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    #23627166 - 09/08/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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I agree.  :thumbup:

For those that would argue Reagan helped the economy, he did it through massive stimulus money (aka deficit spending).  Anyone knows that will help the economy in the short term; it's how we avoided a second Great Recession in 2008.




"it's how we avoided a second Great Recession in 2008"

Really, what did "we" do?  The Fed bought mortgage and T bonds, so what. In fact this former Fed official say this policy was based on "creating a wealth effect" on a higher stock market, that's trickle down economics. Why do you support a policy that you also despise? 



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it's how we avoided a second Great Recession in 2008



Really, what did "we" do?  The Fed bought mortgage and T bonds, so what. In fact this former Fed official say this policy was based on "creating a wealth effect" on a higher stock market, that's trickle down economics. Why do you support a policy that you also despise?



First of all, I'm not opposed to stimulus spending to counter a recession/depression.  I'm against it when it's done to artificially bolster the economy in times where it's not absolutely necessary.

Second, and I've said this many times, after the great recession Congress misallocated the funds they had towards the rich.  Your video confirms this from 2:13 - 2:27.


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it's how we avoided a second Great Recession in 2008



Really, what did "we" do?  The Fed bought mortgage and T bonds, so what. In fact this former Fed official say this policy was based on "creating a wealth effect" on a higher stock market, that's trickle down economics. Why do you support a policy that you also despise?



First of all, I'm not opposed to stimulus spending to counter a recession/depression.  I'm against it when it's done to artificially bolster the economy in times where it's not absolutely necessary.

Second, and I've said this many times, after the great recession Congress misallocated the funds they had towards the rich.  Your video confirms this from 2:13 - 2:27.




You have always supported the Fed policy, yet you and the Fed official acknowledge that it only favored the rich.


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ant deficit spending is congress policy, not fed policy


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ant deficit spending is congress policy, not fed policy




I'm talking about Fed policy after the 2008 financial crisis, try to keep up with the discussion.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23630430 - 09/09/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23637334 - 09/11/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Second, and I've said this many times, after the great recession Congress misallocated the funds they had towards the rich.  Your video confirms this from 2:13 - 2:27.



You have always supported the Fed policy, yet you and the Fed official acknowledge that it only favored the rich.



As Crumist said, Congress favored Wall St over Main St.  The Fed's job was simply to stop the recession.


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