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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
#23622557 - 09/07/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.
Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...
So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.
No, "people from all over the world" is correct. "America was built by white people" is excluding hundreds of millions of people and implies the false statement "America was build by white people, only" (with corollary "America is for white people)
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ChemicalSpark said: And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them. It's natural.
You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.
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Tipote said: All men should be feminists IMO...
Hmmmmm, No.
I said it was my opinion but you don't seem to care for a rationale or state your own. good one..
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ChemicalSpark said: I'm against any laws that attempt to cater to small segments of the populace but in fact make it harder for the average middle class American.
Can you give an example? Which group, how are the laws catering to them and how is it making it harder for the average middle class American?
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ChemicalSpark said: There isn't a single law preventing those groups from achieving anything in todays society, but they still bitch and moan for more. It seems to me that they just want to tip the tables in their favor and demonize the white portion of the population every chance they get.
Perhaps you can only see it in terms of demonisation against whites since you are blind to the reality because you are not affected by the reality of the structural violence and problems that come from racist power structures throughout the history and which continue to perpetuate inequalities? Just a thought.
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Tipote said: Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.
Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...
So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.
Europeans were the majority, yes, and that does not invalidate the point that it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US....
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
#23622619 - 09/07/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alyssa said: I couldn't give less of a shit what the OP thinks.
The feelings mutual Alyssa.
Don't worry tipote, falcon and crumist. It extends to you all as well...
And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them. It's natural.
Good one, ignore anyone who disagrees with you
Did you come here for discussion or did you just want an echo chamber?
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Alyssa said: You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.
It could be interpreted both ways because I would definitely "club one upside the head" if I needed to defend myself.
Oh, yeah, in self-defense of course, I would too. We agree on this, we both see Islam as the enemy.
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ChemicalSpark said:And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them. It's natural.
Oh, I see. So its not men you're after(beating), its(you want to brutalize) women who wear clothes you don't like. And I don't feel the same way, I doubt the people who dress that way do either. Hardly natural.
And you aren't supposed to feel guilty about history!! In an ideal world you would come to realize we are all human beings and stop hating people who(for) happen(ing) to be Jewish, black, or Muslim!
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
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ChemicalSpark said: And to clear things up Alyssa, my senses are heightened around anyone that chooses to cover their face and extremities so people can't see them. It's natural.
You meant that you're afraid one of them will club you over the head, right? I am too. Someone (I can't be bothered to check who) said you meant you would club them, but I defended you with what I believe is the correct interpretation of what you said.
is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?
Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
#23622662 - 09/07/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?
Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?
Well, not so much females, but when I see a male Muslim I think "potential terrorist".
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Tipote said: It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt.
Coming from a guy that's guilting "White America" for what their ancestors did.
I personally have never owned a slave, forced segregation on any segment of the population, or conducted any lynchings. So why should I feel guilty.
I never said you should feel guilty for something you didnt do. I was making the point that historical injustices with ramifications to the present day should be remedied, not out of guilt but in the name of justice and humanity. If it was blacks at the top of the power structure and whites at the bottom then I would still say the same thing. To you and qman its all about the poor butthurt feelings of white america taking things so personally.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] 1
#23622677 - 09/07/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: is this a joke about fearing them clubbing you?
Do you also have a problem with hijab or just the burqa and niqab?
Well, not so much females, but when I see a male Muslim I think "potential terrorist".
despite it being something like less than 1% of muslims in the world who are engaged in extremist jihad?
Would you be ok with people making similar judgements about you for being Jewish?
Does your feeling transfer to sihks and hindus too or are you pro at knowing who is muslim?
and LOL at "not so much females". so you still fear them clubbing you?
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
#23622704 - 09/07/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: "While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"
Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?
Are you suggesting it was 1% of slave owners who got compensation? My point was that slave owners did receive compensation which has maintained their family's status for generations since, into the present.
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qman said: And how much did they receive? Very little. Please post evidence.
Really? They got "very little"? I dont know much about what the compensation was like in the US but I know at least in Washington DC the 900 slave owners got $300 per slave which I imagine is slightly more than $300 in todays money.
plenty of examples of UK families who not only profitted from the trade of slaves but then from the compensation.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html
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qman said:"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"
Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.
Yeh, some black people have done very well for themselves, that doesn't counter my point that slavery and the lack of reparations have had centuries long negative implications to the community at large in their prospects.
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qman said: "needs reparations"
You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.
It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt. There have been historic abuses which has caused negative implications throughout time, into the present, for those who were on the receiving end. For those who gave that abuse, they were not only rewarded, but the reward combined with established and maintained positions in the power structure, they are better off for it. To dismiss these things as ancient history is like sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALLALALALAAA"
Slave owners in the UK did receive compensation, but that did not occur inside of the US, so why did you suggest otherwise? I'm sorry, but 900 slaves out of 4 million is meaningless.
Should myself and my family seek reparations for past abuse of our ancestors in Poland? I mean there's plenty there to pick from, there's negative implications that my family is still dealing with, I WANT SOME FREE SHIT.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
#23622709 - 09/07/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.
Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...
So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.
No, "people from all over the world" is correct. "America was built by white people" is excluding hundreds of millions of people and implies the false statement "America was build by white people, only" (with corollary "America is for white people)
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"is excluding hundreds of millions of people"
You pulled that out of your ass.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: despite it being something like less than 1% of muslims in the world who are engaged in extremist jihad?
Would you be ok with people making similar judgements about you for being Jewish?
Does your feeling transfer to sihks and hindus too or are you pro at knowing who is muslim?
and LOL at "not so much females". so you still fear them clubbing you?

I don't think females are very likely to be violent, but it's still possible. Female suicide bombers come to mind. I don't care about your statistics, I believe that a substantial fraction of male Muslims are prone to violence; Islam is an evil ideology. I'm not aware of Sikhs or Hindus being especially violent. I'm OK with any judgments people make about me for being Jewish, it's worth it to be able to express my full solidarity with the people of Israel. Furthermore, such judgments in my case are likely to be wrong as I interpret Judaism in a unique and very different way.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: All men should be feminists IMO...
Hmmmmm, No.
I said it was my opinion but you don't seem to care for a rationale or state your own. good one..
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ChemicalSpark said: I'm against any laws that attempt to cater to small segments of the populace but in fact make it harder for the average middle class American.
Can you give an example? Which group, how are the laws catering to them and how is it making it harder for the average middle class American?
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ChemicalSpark said: There isn't a single law preventing those groups from achieving anything in todays society, but they still bitch and moan for more. It seems to me that they just want to tip the tables in their favor and demonize the white portion of the population every chance they get.
Perhaps you can only see it in terms of demonisation against whites since you are blind to the reality because you are not affected by the reality of the structural violence and problems that come from racist power structures throughout the history and which continue to perpetuate inequalities? Just a thought.
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Tipote said: Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.
Yes, but who was the majority? Oh yeah! The white Europeans...
So "people from all over the world" is no more correct than stating the group who happened to be the majority at the time.
Europeans were the majority, yes, and that does not invalidate the point that it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US....
"it wasn't just white Europeans that built the US"
So now it's just semantics at this point, anything to diminish white Europeans. How about putting it into a proper perspective instead of making generalizations?
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt.
Coming from a guy that's guilting "White America" for what their ancestors did.
I personally have never owned a slave, forced segregation on any segment of the population, or conducted any lynchings. So why should I feel guilty.
I never said you should feel guilty for something you didnt do. I was making the point that historical injustices with ramifications to the present day should be remedied, not out of guilt but in the name of justice and humanity. If it was blacks at the top of the power structure and whites at the bottom then I would still say the same thing. To you and qman its all about the poor butthurt feelings of white america taking things so personally.
Don't you realize trying to fix past "injustices" with reparations is a never ending battle that can never be accomplished?
Where does it end? You want total equality, that's NEVER going to happen because humans are NOT equal, we are all different!!
How far back do you go back? A hundred years, five hundred, a thousand?
What about reparations for people that had a family member die in a unjust war?
What about reparations for Europeans that were mistreated when they arrived in the US?
What about reparations for people that had women family members oppressed in early America?
What about reparations for people that had ancestors abused by child labor in early America?
Or is this just about black and white for you and others?
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said: We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America. My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.
when you say "here" what do you mean? You are in the UK right?
You do realise that just because the majority of the slaves may have not been in North America, there were British, French and Spanish colonies throughout the Caribbean and south america.. right?
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I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.
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Bubbles85 said: Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"
You lot need your fucking heads tested!
I think Falc dealt with this adequately. No one downplayed their deaths.
Also, is anyone going to acknowledge the millions of "third worlders" who fought and died for the allies? Those parasites..
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
#23622892 - 09/07/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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