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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23619101 - 09/06/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.



I agree FGM is a problem.  What about MGM?  You said you were Jewish.  :shrug:



Circumcision isn't anywhere near as bad, it can't be compared at all, and I actually believe that in combination with spiritual teaching, it leads a male to live a less misogynist life because he doesn't desire sex as much, so he doesn't objectify females as much. I also believe that the Queen of Israel has been born, which means it's time to end circumcision; it's served its purpose in overcoming males' natural evil, now the Messiah is here to save people's souls. I believe males are only good because of feminine influence in life; without it their pollinating instinct takes over and they see females as sperm depositories without caring about them as human beings.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 3
    #23619187 - 09/06/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23619325 - 09/06/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Look at the pot calling... you know the rest.

The SCUM Manifesto was satire, you know.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23619448 - 09/06/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

well this thread is somewhat entertaining!

Falcon... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: so many excellent points.:heart:

Alyssa seemed alright for a few moments before she starting babbling nonsense.
@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?

All men should be feminists IMO, in the US it just seems to have a very particularly negative association. I dont know about the movements there.

feminists should support muslim women. Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.

also..WOW at that bullshit about circumcision..!!! batshit :crazy2:
its sad that she thinks men are naturally women-hating and, well, evil. Maybe OP needs the end of his dick cut off.

Also FGM is not a muslim thing, it happens in Christian and non-abrahamic communities too.
and yes MGM is still lame but absolutely nothing compared to the horrors of FGM.

OP seems to want to deny civil rights to blacks, women, LGBT etc. Apparently equal rights = special rights? LOL those pussies wanting equal rights and treatment... how dare they?!

Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.

Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.

Slave owners got reparations when slavery was abolished, slaves did not.
Haiti, the first country to have a successful slave revolt and take over, were punished. This isnt ancient history, they only finished paying their separation-from-France fee in the 1960s!
While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation, descendants of slaves are still in shit situations. All this is very recent history and needs reparation.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23620645 - 09/07/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?



I have a friend who has lived in Tel Aviv her whole life; I think that's probably a stronger connection than most American Jews have to Israel.

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Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.



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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit.



It annoys the fuck out of me that people respond to me in a negative way without reading the whole thread first. Yes, my religion is horseshit in fact. But backing Israel against Islam is important enough to me that I decided to become Jewish. My particular take on it is unique: Yahweh is female, the Messiah is female, and the patriarchs altered the word of our Creator in order to maintain the male dominator culture, so the Tanakh and the Talmud can't be trusted.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
    #23620723 - 09/07/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just clicked here and didn't go to the most recent page.

People were arguing about Islam and feminism in the same paragraphs.

People are so fucking confused.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23620725 - 09/07/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Politics helps to make almost everyone look very very stupid.


Edited by fractalsybolism (09/07/16 04:47 AM)


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] * 2
    #23621052 - 09/07/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?



I have a friend who has lived in Tel Aviv her whole life; I think that's probably a stronger connection than most American Jews have to Israel.




I'm not sure I understand. I was asking about you, not your friend. Are you saying that your connection is via your friend? And that you haven't been there yourself?

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Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.



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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit.



It annoys the fuck out of me that people respond to me in a negative way without reading the whole thread first. Yes, my religion is horseshit in fact. But backing Israel against Islam is important enough to me that I decided to become Jewish. My particular take on it is unique: Yahweh is female, the Messiah is female, and the patriarchs altered the word of our Creator in order to maintain the male dominator culture, so the Tanakh and the Talmud can't be trusted.




I did actually read the whole thread. What are you referring to?

So youre politically Jewish?? I think you need to have a look at the terminology. Perhaps you mean Zionist?

Is it just Jews living in Israel? Or are there also Muslims and Christians? So does Islam vs Israel make sense? Or are you just ignoring chunks of the Israeli citizenry?
Just as you redefine your religion to suit you, people of all faiths do this so i'll return to my most said statement: Islam is not monolithic.

Maybe OP thinks Palestinians are pussies asking for equal rights and treatment too.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #23621077 - 09/07/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Falcon, in answer to the OP, that America and Western countries (and beyond) are getting shitter, not because of calls to support civil rights struggles but because of neoliberalism and the increasing ownership of government by corporate elites.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
    #23621088 - 09/07/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I did actually read the whole thread. What are you referring to?



The bit of my post that I quoted.

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Tipote said:
So youre politically Jewish?? I think you need to have a look at the terminology. Perhaps you mean Zionist?



I am politically Jewish and Zionist but I think it helps for me to endorse some elements of the Jewish faith. The faith is based very strongly on the history of the Jewish people as God's chosen faction, an idea which I like to support. Maybe it doesn't make perfect sense for me to do this, but I try to thoroughly reconcile the apparent contradictions.

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Is it just Jews living in Israel? Or are there also Muslims and Christians? So does Islam vs Israel make sense? Or are you just ignoring chunks of the Israeli citizenry?



Israel is the Jewish state, the country itself is Jewish.

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Just as you redefine your religion to suit you, people of all faiths do this so i'll return to my most said statement: Islam is not monolithic.



No, but in general I'm against Muslims because so many of them are evil. I make exceptions in individual cases, but in those cases I still fault them for supporting Islam even though they're not bad people.

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Maybe OP thinks Palestinians are pussies asking for equal rights and treatment too.



I couldn't give less of a shit what the OP thinks.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
    #23621253 - 09/07/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tipote said:
well this thread is somewhat entertaining!

Falcon... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: so many excellent points.:heart:

Alyssa seemed alright for a few moments before she starting babbling nonsense.
@Aylssa, have you been to Israel? or do you just blindly defend it regardless of any experience?

All men should be feminists IMO, in the US it just seems to have a very particularly negative association. I dont know about the movements there.

feminists should support muslim women. Yes all religions are inherently patriarchal in their manifestations, maybe Alyssa should look at her own religion sometime.

also..WOW at that bullshit about circumcision..!!! batshit :crazy2:
its sad that she thinks men are naturally women-hating and, well, evil. Maybe OP needs the end of his dick cut off.

Also FGM is not a muslim thing, it happens in Christian and non-abrahamic communities too.
and yes MGM is still lame but absolutely nothing compared to the horrors of FGM.

OP seems to want to deny civil rights to blacks, women, LGBT etc. Apparently equal rights = special rights? LOL those pussies wanting equal rights and treatment... how dare they?!

Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.

Also America was built by people from all over the world, not just whites. It just happens that the whites were at the top of the power structure. hmmm not surprised to see this from qman.

Slave owners got reparations when slavery was abolished, slaves did not.
Haiti, the first country to have a successful slave revolt and take over, were punished. This isnt ancient history, they only finished paying their separation-from-France fee in the 1960s!
While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation, descendants of slaves are still in shit situations. All this is very recent history and needs reparation.




"While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"

Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?  And how much did they receive?  Very little.  Please post evidence.

"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"

Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.

"needs reparations"

You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23621328 - 09/07/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: truthfull]
    #23621374 - 09/07/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So who has authority over the federal reserve?



Congress


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23621601 - 09/07/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bubbles or qman or both seem to suggest half a million slaves originally brought to N America isnt much of a big deal?? also.. What about the following generations? Were slave children not also property? It was 12.5 million that came to the new world, over 2 million died on the journey.




We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America.
My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.
I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: truthfull] * 1
    #23622122 - 09/07/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?


God damn it maroon, I know thats you!

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Bubbles85 said:We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa during the 4 centuries of the slave trade and brought to the British colonies in North America.
My question was not regarding the total number, i wanted to know how many went here, since our country's take the brunt of the shit for it all, when the reality is 90% went to the South Americas and the Spanish colonies.
I've also all ready stated that the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded.

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this, yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!


I haven't seen anyone blaming the United States for the lion's share of the slave trade. The United State did, however,
hold on to slavery (with extreme violence) long after everyone else but Brazil had outlawed it. Then followed economic forms
of slavery. And the lynchings, and the segregation, and the Jim Crowe laws, and the miscegenation laws, and the police brutality,
and the political assassinations, and INTELCOPRO, and the human experimentation (Tuskegee experiment), and the sterilizations,
and this is only a small part of it. You are dreaming if you think all the discrimination ended following the death of MLK and the voting
rights act.

You might notice that Brazil, the last slavery holdout in the world, has a very different take on race than we do in America.
As does the rest of the New World.

P.S. Obviously the casualties of WW2 was a huge tragedy. No one would deny this (neo-nazi's maybe?) and I can only imagine you are talking
Falcon's words out of context, do you have a link?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #23622138 - 09/07/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We've established that 338,000 were taken from Africa

Its funny how people like you an Falcon make a big deal about this



You forgot about their offspring.  But perhaps a few million slaves isn't a big deal, right?

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yet when 60 million allied military personnel and civilians are killed in WW2, in 6 fucking years, its (in Falcons words) "a little contribution"

You lot need your fucking heads tested!



60 million is the TOTAL deaths, including Germany and Russia.  It's an incredible tragedy.  I never downplayed the death count.

I was simply shedding some light on your assertion that "The British Government that lead the role in the defeat of the Nazis was a Conservative government lead by Sir Winston Churchill!"  :rolleyes:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
    #23622139 - 09/07/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All these discussions seem to pivot around the entity of money.

So with money tied to a finite resource it forces the hoarders of money to reintroduce it in the market to restore balance and keep their value.


So when a bank is able to create backless money whenever they want without authority this can create the current wealth inequality that's destroying our society.

So who has authority over the federal reserve?




God damn it maroon, I know thats you!



:awesomenod:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23622165 - 09/07/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I read an article yesterday about a book someone authored.  It spoke of having no more paper money.  There are people that feel paper money is for hiding from the tax man and other illegal activity.

Total control over every aspect of our lives is where it is going.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
    #23622506 - 09/07/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23622545 - 09/07/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"While the descendants of slave owners are still in a good position from the money they received in compensation"

Really, how many received this compensation, could it be less than 1% of slave owners?





Are you suggesting it was 1% of slave owners who got compensation? My point was that slave owners did receive compensation which has maintained their family's status for generations since, into the present.

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And how much did they receive?  Very little.  Please post evidence.




Really? They got "very little"? I dont know much about what the compensation was like in the US but I know at least in Washington DC the 900 slave owners got $300 per slave which I imagine is slightly more than $300 in todays money.

plenty of examples of UK families who not only profitted from the trade of slaves but then from the compensation..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html

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qman said:"descendants of slaves are still in shit situations"

Yeah, being a CEO, doctor, lawyer, Attorney General, Congressman or US President sounds real shitty.




Yeh, some black people have done very well for themselves, that doesn't counter my point that slavery and the lack of reparations have had centuries long negative implications to the community at large in their prospects.

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"needs reparations"

You start first if you feel so guilty about what other people did to other people, open up that wallet before you demand others to give their money to complete strangers for NO valid reason.




It always comes down to guilt to you. You can only understand these things in terms of guilt. There have been historic abuses which has caused negative implications throughout time, into the present, for those who were on the receiving end. For those who gave that abuse, they were not only rewarded, but the reward combined with established and maintained positions in the power structure, they are better off for it. To dismiss these things as ancient history is like sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALLALALALAAA"


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