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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
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The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.
A feminist that isn't afraid to tell the truth about the failures of Islam and it's impact on Muslim society. 
Oh! Thanks for this comment. I seem to remember arguing with you about a feminist issue, but if you're united with me against Islam for feminist reasons I'll overlook our previous disagreement. Are you a feminist or do you draw the line somewhere between there and tolerating Islam?
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] 2
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ChemicalSpark said: I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.
Hey, don't lump anti-Islamism in with pro-Nazism.
...the left wing is completely intolerable to me, they support evil in the name of cultural diversity. I really thought Falcon was a genuine feminist, but I've realized what I'm actually dealing with is a progressive.
I'm not a feminist if it means it's ok to "club one upside the head" for wearing a head cover.
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He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
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Alyssa said: I don't know how you can be a feminist and support Islam. It's by far the most misogynist belief system there is. Even non-violent Muslims hold deplorable attitudes towards females. There is plenty of misogyny in the Tanakh and the Bible as well but Jews and Christians generally ignore those parts, while Muslims take them literally.
The only reason I'm Jewish is because I want to express my solidarity with the people of Israel against the anti-female plague that is Islam. All religions are a load of patriarchal bullshit. No society in the world, however, is as patriarchal as Muslim society. You even admit that people can't oppose extreme violence against females in Muslim countries. That's because it's not just the ones that make the news who support it, it's the majority. I don't care about the minority that supposedly doesn't, because they should just abandon Islam if they really care about females. If the majority were civilized like us, people in those countries would overwhelmingly oppose the evil that is perpetrated there, as we do here.
A feminist that isn't afraid to tell the truth about the failures of Islam and it's impact on Muslim society. 
Oh! Thanks for this comment. I seem to remember arguing with you about a feminist issue, but if you're united with me against Islam for feminist reasons I'll overlook our previous disagreement. Are you a feminist or do you draw the line somewhere between there and tolerating Islam?
I think our differences lie with our perspectives on how females are treated today in Western society, not IF they should have equal rights and opportunity.
I know lots of very successful, sophisticated and hard working women, nothing has stopped them from obtaining their goals. One of my nieces is in graduate school studying bio-engineering and the other one is studying to be a PA.
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He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.
Nice of you to defend him, but who was he referring to using the term "one"???
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ChemicalSpark said: I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.
One who covers their body obviously.
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He said the Muslims are quick to club one upside the head, not him.
Nice of you to defend him, but who was he referring to using the term "one"???
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ChemicalSpark said: I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head.
One who covers their body obviously.
Well, if that's the intended interpretation, then all I have to say is that I don't advocate violence except as a defense against violence.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
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I know lots of very successful, sophisticated and hard working women, nothing has stopped them from obtaining their goals. One of my nieces is in graduate school studying bio-engineering and the other one is studying to be a PA.
In most cases the patriarchy doesn't stop us completely from realizing our potential. It just makes it more difficult. I see where you're coming from, and I don't really find your view as you express it here objectionable (I forget whether I objected to other things you said), I just disagree. As a female I have to deal with males thinking they're better at everything because they're male, and mansplaining to me the most obvious shit. Males hold the vast majority of the world's money and power because they control the system and rig it in their favor.
Plus as a female the threat of rape and domestic violence is much more real to me, and sexuality in general is something I'm very cautious with as a lot of males aren't sensitive enough to treat me the way I need to be treated. I have to deal with harassment by some of the most unsettling types of people especially if I'm wearing very little, which I do because I'm a naturist. I have to deal with misogynist attitudes in general, which are very pervasive in society.
Now, I admit I may swing too far the other way, but when you examine closely what I say, you realize that I basically give males a fair chance because they may be very feminine. I like males who have been strongly influenced in the feminine direction. Unfortunately, this usually means they're gay. I have a definite thing for gay guys, they're my forbidden fruit.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa]
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So am I.
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So am I. 
Awesome!
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] 1
#23618804 - 09/06/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"French police identified the perpetrator as Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a 31-year-old man of Tunisian nationality,[59] born in Tunisia, with a French residency permit and living in Nice.[9] His parents live in Tunisia and rarely heard from him since he moved to France in 2005.[60] His father said he underwent psychiatric treatment before he moved to France.[61] He married a French-Tunisian cousin, living in Nice, with whom he had three children. According to his wife's lawyer, he was repeatedly reported for domestic violence and the couple separated.[62] Police analysis of his mobile phone showed that after this separation he had numerous sexual relations with both men and women.[63][64] He was known to French police for five prior criminal offences, notably for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft.[65] ... François Molins, the prosecutor leading the investigation, announced that information gathered since the attack suggested that, except for a short period leading up to the attack, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life."[66] Neighbours reported that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel rarely spoke to them.[67] Authorities believe Lahouaiej-Bouhlel became radicalised shortly before the attack and the transformation happened quickly. Prosecutor François Molins said he had a "clear, recent interest in the radical jihadist movement".[68]
Friends said he began attending a mosque in April[69] and grew a beard for religious reasons only days before the attack.[70] He also began expressing extreme Islamist views[69] and support for Islamic State.[71] Police found images of dead bodies, Osama bin Laden, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the Islamic State flag, and a cover of Charlie Hebdo on his computer, along with links to jihadist websites; he had shown friends an Islamic State beheading video on his phone.[72] An uncle in Tunisia of Lahouaiej-Bouhlel said he heard from a relative[when?] that his nephew had been recently indoctrinated by an Algerian Islamic State member in Nice.[73]"
From wikipedia on the Nice attacker. He, and the Nice attack itself, seems much more a product of a violent psychosis than Islamic Ideology.
Its disheartening to see you write what you have above. There are millions of Muslims in the old Soviet "-stans" and in SE Asia who don't have any propensity for violent attacks or support of the same. You can't forget to factor in the Cold War politics, aftershocks of colonialism, and a constant supply foreign arms and money into the Middle East when looking at the violence there.
Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head." is at odds with your anti-violence stance.
Hate the sin not the sinner.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head." is at odds with your anti-violence stance.
Hate the sin not the sinner.
Excuse me, but I misinterpreted the statement as saying that the Muslim would be real quick to club someone upside the head and that ChemicalSpark is on the lookout around them for that reason. I even explained this already. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't see the other way that sentence could be interpreted, and I'm still not sure which is correct. I'll have to wait for ChemicalSpark to clarify.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
#23618898 - 09/06/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said: "French police identified the perpetrator as Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a 31-year-old man of Tunisian nationality,[59] born in Tunisia, with a French residency permit and living in Nice.[9] His parents live in Tunisia and rarely heard from him since he moved to France in 2005.[60] His father said he underwent psychiatric treatment before he moved to France.[61] He married a French-Tunisian cousin, living in Nice, with whom he had three children. According to his wife's lawyer, he was repeatedly reported for domestic violence and the couple separated.[62] Police analysis of his mobile phone showed that after this separation he had numerous sexual relations with both men and women.[63][64] He was known to French police for five prior criminal offences, notably for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft.[65] ... François Molins, the prosecutor leading the investigation, announced that information gathered since the attack suggested that, except for a short period leading up to the attack, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life."[66] Neighbours reported that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel rarely spoke to them.[67] Authorities believe Lahouaiej-Bouhlel became radicalised shortly before the attack and the transformation happened quickly. Prosecutor François Molins said he had a "clear, recent interest in the radical jihadist movement".[68]
Friends said he began attending a mosque in April[69] and grew a beard for religious reasons only days before the attack.[70] He also began expressing extreme Islamist views[69] and support for Islamic State.[71] Police found images of dead bodies, Osama bin Laden, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the Islamic State flag, and a cover of Charlie Hebdo on his computer, along with links to jihadist websites; he had shown friends an Islamic State beheading video on his phone.[72] An uncle in Tunisia of Lahouaiej-Bouhlel said he heard from a relative[when?] that his nephew had been recently indoctrinated by an Algerian Islamic State member in Nice.[73]"
From wikipedia on the Nice attacker. He, and the Nice attack itself, seems much more a product of a violent psychosis than Islamic Ideology.
Its disheartening to see you write what you have above. There are millions of Muslims in the old Soviet "-stans" and in SE Asia who don't have any propensity for violent attacks or support of the same. You can't forget to factor in the Cold War politics, aftershocks of colonialism, and a constant supply foreign arms and money into the Middle East when looking at the violence there.
Your defense the nazi's "I'm on the look out around anyone that covers their body in rags and would be real quick to club one upside the head." is at odds with your anti-violence stance.
Hate the sin not the sinner.
Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". 
"Hate the sin not the sinner"
Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
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qman said: Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". 
"Hate the sin not the sinner"
Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.
This! I didn't even bother replying to all that, I should have. I was just in total defensive mode because he misinterpreted what I said and made me look like a violent psychopath.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] 2
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qman said: Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". 
"Hate the sin not the sinner"
Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.
You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".
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I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil. The percentage of evil Muslims around the world is far higher than for Jews or Christians. You're only taking into account those few who try to adapt Islam to civilization, they're a small minority.
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qman said: Yeah, that's what liberal sympathizers say every time Muslim terrorists kill a bunch of people, "They were crazy, that's not Islam". 
"Hate the sin not the sinner"
Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.
You forgot to add "...but when it's a Christian terrorist, THEN it's ok to say "they were crazy, that's not Christianity".
No, sane people are fully capable of committing horrible acts against humanity, it doesn't matter what their religious background might be, I don't buy into this "he's crazy" sentiment that many liberals seem to embrace.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Alyssa] 1
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qman said:"Hate the sin not the sinner"
Yeah right, I'm sure you'll think that way when some scumbag of a person fucks up your world.
Your right, I couldn't possibly know my reaction without being in that situation, but I really hope and pray I would be able to forgive. I'm a sucker for those videos where the loved ones of a murdered man testify that they have forgiven the unrepentant murderer and plead on the murders behalf for leniency.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." I cite my faith (I feel I chose it, but lets be real, I was born into it) for values such as the quoted and I think denying our common humanity to cast judgement upon those considered "uncivilized" or "barbaric" is a big step backwards. The world is a confusing as fuck place and so long as you aren't being a prick to your neighbors I won't disparage your attempts to understand it and aspire to something greater.
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Alyssa said:I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil. The percentage of evil Muslims around the world is far higher than for Jews or Christians. You're only taking into account those few who try to adapt Islam to civilization, they're a small minority.
The MAJORITY of Muslims live in Asia and aren't Arab. Please, I beg you, cast this cloud of hate from before your eyes! It is not religion but old fashioned politics, racial hatred, and money at the rotten center of the violence.
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I simply look at the overall percentages of evil people in each of the religions in order to determine whether the religion is the cause of the evil.
And that's exactly what you should do! Google can help!
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: The MAJORITY of Muslims live in Asia and aren't Arab. Please, I beg you, cast this cloud of hate from before your eyes! It is not religion but old fashioned politics, racial hatred, and money at the rotten center of the violence.
FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.
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Alyssa said: FGM rates are very high in Indonesia and Malaysia so don't talk to me about Asian Muslims. I'm primarily against Islam for gender-based violence, not as much for terrorism, though terrorism is a huge factor as well. GBV by Muslims has nothing to do with politics, race or money and everything to do with Islam.
I agree FGM is a problem. What about MGM? You said you were Jewish.
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