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InvisibleBubbles85

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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23593363 - 08/30/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's racist dude :lol:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23593365 - 08/30/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Things have declined in certain ways, but they were never that copacetic to begin with.  One has to realize that the "good old days" is a myth that gets used in every time period.  There were never any golden ages, really.





Completely true it a myth that helps keep the status quo just that.


People know their influence is wankig and  big change is coming and its freaking them out


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] * 1
    #23593370 - 08/30/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, you want to bring up all the negative aspects of things that were common place hundreds of years ago all over the world, that's called being disingenuous.

The "old America" is Northern Europeans creating one of the greatest nations in human civilization, it's about making a Constitution that still works today, it's about creating a separation between religion and state, it's about creating a democracy.



The bad things Crumist mentioned are now gone.  The good things you mentioned are still here.  I think you are being disingenuous.  :shrug:

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This nation was created by white Christians from Northern Europe, this is a fact and that's the reason why this nation was great, you might not like that fact, but it's true.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.  I guess their labor doesn't count?

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What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill. There's a reason why the US won WW2 and become the worlds superpower, think about it.



Because of all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure?  :shrug:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23593380 - 08/30/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Glory days is nothing more than nostalgic bias.

It's interesting to note the systems of control for the last hundred or so years is beginning to slip.

Peoples reality are not matching expectations and is giving strength for people to search for truths they previously were too scared of.


The whole paradigm is shifting and the control tactics have shifted little. This gives people like me immense opportunities to reveal truth


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon]
    #23593383 - 08/30/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


Edited by ChemicalSpark (11/22/16 10:29 AM)


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23593427 - 08/30/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:peace:


Edited by ChemicalSpark (11/22/16 10:29 AM)


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23593429 - 08/30/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ask the disenfranchised people back then?! Again this is all rose colored glass looking back and nostalgic feelings but reality was much similar to now.

Minus the insane wealth distribution gaps but they were sowing the seeds for that back then


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon]
    #23593538 - 08/30/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

Just curious :shrug:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: ChemicalSpark]
    #23593622 - 08/30/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ChemicalSpark said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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qman said:
What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.

...all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure




They were the work horses/labor force of the period, not the brains behind it. There's a HUGE difference.



Look at qman's post that I quoted here and tell me if that matters.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23593735 - 08/30/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You will never see positive change in the country until the left stops calling every policy they disagree with "racist" which they will never do. That, along with blaming the rich for everything, they've somehow convinced almost a majority of middle and lower class Americans that if we just raise taxes on the "rich" that magically, somehow, the middle and lower class will have a utopian paradise. It baffles the mind how ignorant the people who push and support these policies are


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23593807 - 08/30/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bubbles85 said:
Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

Just curious :shrug:




http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery

"Only 6 percent of African captives were sent directly to British North America"

Yeah, but only whites bought slaves according to people in 2016. :facepalm:


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23593868 - 08/30/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

qman said:
Sure, you want to bring up all the negative aspects of things that were common place hundreds of years ago all over the world, that's called being disingenuous.

The "old America" is Northern Europeans creating one of the greatest nations in human civilization, it's about making a Constitution that still works today, it's about creating a separation between religion and state, it's about creating a democracy.



The bad things Crumist mentioned are now gone.  The good things you mentioned are still here.  I think you are being disingenuous.  :shrug:

Quote:

qman said:
This nation was created by white Christians from Northern Europe, this is a fact and that's the reason why this nation was great, you might not like that fact, but it's true.



Slavery was introduced to America in 1619 before the US was even a country.  I guess their labor doesn't count?

Quote:

qman said:
What happens when you try to dilute that existing culture with other people with completely different values?  You start going down hill. There's a reason why the US won WW2 and become the worlds superpower, think about it.



Because of all the Chines immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure?  :shrug:




"I guess their labor doesn't count?"

Picking cotton in the fields didn't create the US, sorry. :shrug:

"immigrants we were letting in to build our infrastructure"

You mean assisting the grunt work for building the infrastructure. Does the guy who cleans the toilets at Apple share the same accountability for the companies success as Steve Jobs?  No, because that wouldn't make sense.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594063 - 08/30/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The constitution is for what is publicly debated (Overt).  Ton's of shit never see's the light of day.  Shit that just goes on day in day out. 

A lot more people have taken drugs.  This is good and bad.  Lot's of power and emotions are revealed when people dose. What people do with it is never even really talked about.  Sure if it's a crime or some really beneficial revelation.  But the fact is people get bored with that and don't take it on personally.

What used to be public shame is now paranoia.  There is so much more going on in people's lives then they can tell anyone.  Yet good 'ole Uncle Same knows all that and ain't informing the therapist.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594121 - 08/30/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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Bubbles85 said:
Does any one have any hard facts on the number of slaves that were actually brought to North America during the Slave Trade?

I've had a look online myself and can't confirm the numbers as concrete, but from what I've read, only 500,000 slaves from West Africa were actually bought to North America during the Slave Trade.

Some 90% (if what I'm reading is correct) were taken to Brazil, or South America by the Spanish.

The British colonies of the North, only seem to have had a tiny percentage of the actual numbers taken over the centuries :shrug:

Obviously the forced sacrifice of those people should not be disregarded, but it seems to be portrayed today, as if the slaves are solely responsible in many regards for making North America what it became, which seems highly unlikely if those numbers are correct.

Just curious :shrug:




http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery

"Only 6 percent of African captives were sent directly to British North America"

Yeah, but only whites bought slaves according to people in 2016. :facepalm:



It certainly changes my perspective on the slave trade. Like most people today, i my self wrongly believed that the majority of people taken from Africa, were forced to work in Northern European settlements.

500,000 people brought to North America over 4 centuries is hardly a huge number. Seems the South Americas and the Spanish settlements appear to be the worst offenders!


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23594135 - 08/30/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone remember the "gold ol days" where privatized national banks were tied to a finite commodity and didnt entrap anyone within their monetary system for a lifetime of unpayable debts and interests the banks created out of thin air?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Maroon]
    #23594149 - 08/30/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Back in the day job's didn't pay a living wage equating to poverty.  There was not also a million billion things for sale, temptations.  People saved money to buy what they wanted.  They did not expect to just float by on credit.  Credit is when things went down hill.  People don't know how to plan credit.  Gets too damn deep very fast.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23594191 - 08/30/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Although most of that is true. Americans did earn a much better wage comparatively. Inflation anyone??!?!?


Ask your grandparents about their 30 year mortgage!!!

What's that a single income family could pay off a home Ina few years? Cars without loans? Give me break.


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


Edited by Maroon (08/30/16 04:03 PM)


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
    #23594196 - 08/30/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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austothehun said:
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The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.





That was back when U.S. manufacturing was king because all the other countries were recovering from WWII. Unfortunately, manufacturing things in first world countries isn't very profitable anymore so more and more working people are being left without the jobs they were depending on. While I'm pretty conservative, I think we can modify a lot of ideas from the liberal left. Offering free tuition at public universities for STEM degrees would help working class people transition into the service economy. Not giving out so many H1B visas would help as well.





The US is still the world's largest manufacturer.  The fact that the production paradigm has changed is the issue.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23594285 - 08/30/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Back in the day job's didn't pay a living wage equating to poverty.  There was not also a million billion things for sale, temptations.  People saved money to buy what they wanted.  They did not expect to just float by on credit.  Credit is when things went down hill.  People don't know how to plan credit.  Gets too damn deep very fast.




Real wages have been dropping for over 40 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

My Polish great grandparents made more money per hour (in real terms) in the mills than the majority of US workers do today.


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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
    #23594296 - 08/30/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What large monetary change happened about 40 years ago? Gold standard removed?

Banks now create money out of thin air, give loans with fake money, then charge unpayable interest as the money was fabricated and over produced. Is this sustainable?

Third world nations who default on these loans are offered reimbursement for seeking off unreplensihable resource needed for sustainable living. Is this practice sustainable?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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