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Philips airfryer for dehydrating
    #23590283 - 08/29/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I tried drying just a few some small shrooms in a philips airfryer. It goes down to 80C (176F). The fan is very powerful and after an hour I could see they were being blown around the basket a lot. I am using desiccant to finish them off, but they were pretty dry. You may be able to either put a mesh on top of them to hold them down, or put them under the basket to stop them being able to be blown about. Might be more suited to bigger ones. Maybe on top of the basket for 30mins and below for 30-60mins, mine got 3 goes at 30mins.

Some people might already have airfryers and not want to buy a dehydrator. If the basket was pulled out a little bit then more air might have been blow out speeding up the drying, it is probably designed in such a way to minimise moisture loss as you would not want your food drying out under its normal intended use.

This is a guy drying apples. This is after 10mins at 200C.


and after a further 15mins at 120C


I was unsure how hot I could go so stuck to the lowest, 80C


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: blackout]
    #23591066 - 08/29/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just use a cheap dehydrator from Walmart. It takes about a day to dry, but I've never noticed loss in potency.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: blackout]
    #23811611 - 11/08/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Following up on this from your post.

How big is the holding chamber in an air fryer, can you stick a lot if fruits in there, because the chamber looks rather small. Furthermore, how has your experience been on the potency?

I love the idea of drying fruits quicker, might give this a try.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: candela]
    #23811700 - 11/08/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The faster you dry, the better the potency.
unless you abuse a lot with temperature, potency is not gonna suffer.
He could probably dry at 200c without any issue


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Chk]
    #23811834 - 11/08/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't dry at 200C. Shits melting point is ~175°C


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Mad Season]
    #23812060 - 11/08/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Melting point is above 220c


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Chk]
    #23812202 - 11/08/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

*shrug*  I just use a regular 6 tray dehydrator, as soon as they are harvested, the bottom gets snipped/cleaned and they go straight into the dehydrator.  It'll dry in 8 hours, with every single tray chock full.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Chk]
    #23812346 - 11/08/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Melting point is above 220c



Of psilocybin. Not psilocin.. psilocin is 173-176 depending on the source.

Besides I know for a fact that azur tried baking brownies at 350F (177C), and had noticed a VERY considerable potency drop after doing so. For drying I really wouldn't go above 170°C


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: candela]
    #23812711 - 11/08/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How big is the holding chamber in an air fryer,



they call it "800grams", meaning amount of food.

one site says "the inner basket is 19x19x5cm" there is a larger version too, the regular one is definitely not big enough for a family, it would still get great use though.

there are lots of videos of it in use on youtube which might give a better idea of size. You would fit enough fries in it for 2 people, I do not grow much anyway. Again this might suit people who already have one, or are considering getting a dehydrator but may have little or no other use for a dehydrator and so might want a better investment. In many countries dehydrators are very hard to find, its simply not popular so they can cost a lot, just like pressure canners/large PCs cannot be found in many countries. Read up on cooking forums and you will find most people are absolutely delighted with the airfryer, it is an amazing device, I would have no other use for a regular dehydrator.

The fan action dries them out pretty fast, so you could fill a basket and partially dry them, do another full basket, and then combine the 2 semi dry batches into one. I have only used it 3 times now for this.


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Furthermore, how has your experience been on the potency?



No idea, I have not had any dried in it yet. In another thread I was recommending microdosing as a method of comparing potency, upping the dose until an effect is felt, this would allow regular and multiple comparisons.

Others do not seem to think the temperature effects it, well temperatures as low as it can go. There are plenty of other manufacturers models too which would have varying temps. I would not go to 200C though, no need and I have seen what it can do to food. When I got it I was disappointed to see it "only" went to 200C, thinking I cook most food far hotter in a regular oven, but 200C is plenty hot enough. It's more like a heatgun blasting the food.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Mad Season]
    #23812735 - 11/08/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Melting point is above 220c




Of psilocybin. Not psilocin.. psilocin is 173-176 depending on the source.




Psilocin is completly lost when drying, so ....

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Besides I know for a fact that azur tried baking brownies at 350F (177C), and had noticed a VERY considerable potency drop after doing so. For drying I really wouldn't go above 170°C




In an oven, the temperature could be very uneven and/or the temp knob unprecise.


Imo, more tests should be made by people correctly equipped to do that.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: blackout]
    #23812747 - 11/08/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Others do not seem to think the temperature effects it, well temperatures as low as it can go. There are plenty of other manufacturers models too which would have varying temps. I would not go to 200C though, no need and I have seen what it can do to food. When I got it I was disappointed to see it "only" went to 200C, thinking I cook most food far hotter in a regular oven, but 200C is plenty hot enough. It's more like a heatgun blasting the food.




Could you try to dry a dose or two at 200c ?
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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Chk]
    #23812805 - 11/08/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. I've never seen any evidence suggesting psilocin is lost when dehydrated. It's actually more stable than LSD. With a dehydrator denaturing enzymes, there's no hydroxyl for the psilocin to lose its 2H+ when there's no enzymes. The air of the dehydrator will not oxidize it without hydroxyl anyways. Generally speaking it oxidizes because of water keeping the enzymes active, and when waters added at any point of dehydrated, the enzymes will reactivate.

Logically speaking, psilocin should easily survive a dehydrator. Without the tests done though.. this is still speculation. I'd love to try spectrophotometry on some tea to tell you :wink:. maybe I should buy one... I'd love to have one but they're fuckin expensive

Although this is also assuming that psilocin wavelengths are different than psilocybin, but I wouldn't be shocked if they are.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Chk]
    #23812955 - 11/08/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Could you try to dry a dose or two at 200c ?
for !SCIENCE! !!!



I might do alright. As I said I think microdosing is a good way to compare potency. This is good because if it is not potent it's not like I will be very disappointed, i.e. I have not gone to some event expecting a good dose and be pissed off if I have none. It is also a very small dose and so no real waste, I'd have plenty to spare but would be annoyed at wasting a potentially decent dose.

Microdosing would allow multiple comparisons over a relatively short amount of time.


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Re: Philips airfryer for dehydrating [Re: Mad Season]
    #23814838 - 11/09/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oki then i guess it's better to stay below 170, just in case.


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