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Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER
#23589877 - 08/29/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, as you can see I'm a newby, and I need advice for my (almost) first trip in less than 24 hours, with five-months' old shrooms (I know, I know... ). I have about 33 grams altogether, some older than others.
I'm female, 5' 7", slim. I bought a kit (cubensis, Mexican) a few months ago after reading a few articles and experiences about the benefits of mushrooms for depression. As I've been a sufferer for some time now, I put my faith in them to help me overcome it, but as I had never done it before (never tripped on anything - well, sort of once when I was a teenager, on 'LSD', which I doubt it really was), I didn't want to do it alone and it took me a while to find a trustworthy sitter, took a little (about just under a gram, I think, but can't remember) and I was slurring words and crying a little, no visuals, felt cold, then fell asleep. Finding the right time and sitter to try again, perhaps with a higher dosage, took some time again, though I had bought another kit in case the first ones had lost potency, but it's been about five months now since harvesting, so I really don't know how much to take and what tek to use, though was thinking of using the lemon tek.
I'm doubting so much because if I don't take enough, I'll be wasting my time again, and I can't go on 'living' like this, but if I take more than I would if they had been harvested recently and they have more potency than I imagine, I might take too much, and don't want to fuck it up. And if using the lemon tek you get more out of shrooms than you would normally, again it might be too much. I also bought a bottle of an alcoholic aniseed drink that's 48º Vol, but don't know if I can make any use of it easily (tek-wise).
So as you can see I'm quite lost as to how much I should use taking all the circumstances into account (old shrooms but good tek, my size, my condition (depression), anxiety about first trip and the typical fear from a newby, etc). I really need answers to my questions (while tripping, I mean), and if I don't take enough... 
Any advice would be really appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23589945 - 08/29/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have cracker dried em and stored in a zip lock bag in a cool dry place they ll remain potent.
Try 3.5g that way you ll know how a mushroom trip looks like 
Yea mushrooms can be so euphoric and they ll teach you about yourself and the world.
And i d suggest that you learn how to cultivate em by yourself and not buying kits. There is all the information you want in the cultivation section in this site you can use the search engine.
You can start with the pf tek or move directly to bulk!
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: oontribe]
#23589970 - 08/29/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for your quick reply, Oontribe!
They're not cracker dry, they're more like rubbery, and they're not in zip-lock bags either... , but they haven't moulded or anything (well, one batch has).
So you don't think 3.5g might be too much for a newby...? I have the typical fear, you know... that's why I ask so many questions. 
As I'm unsure about potency, do you think it might be a good idea to start with less and keep adding later if I see it's not enough? Also, do you think the lemon tek would be a good one, rather than tea, for example?
Edited by Paya (08/29/16 01:14 PM)
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23590018 - 08/29/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It sounds like you were definitely given something other than LSD... and 3.5 grams is way too much for a first time tripper. I know people who can eat that much and hardly be affected, but that is not the norm. You said you have 33 grams so you definitely have enough to experiment with different dosages. Start small like 1 gram and see how it affects you and go up from there. Do not redose during the same trip because it will be a waste. Wait until the next trip to increase your dose.
Sounds like you have plenty of shrooms for that eventual 3.5 dose. But for now, especially with your fear, start small so you know what you're getting yourself into. Remember to relax and go with it. 1 gram will get your foot in the door to the experience without being overwhelmed
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23590044 - 08/29/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Paya said: Thanks for your quick reply, Oontribe!
They're not cracker dry, they're more like rubbery, and they're not in zip-lock bags either... , but they haven't moulded or anything (well, one batch has).
So you don't think 3.5g might be too much for a newby...? I have the typical fear, you know... that's why I ask so many questions. 
As I'm unsure about potency, do you think it might be a good idea to start with less and keep adding later if I see it's not enough? Also, do you think the lemon tek would be a good one, rather than tea, for example?
Wait, I just read this one... Rubbery? Doesn't sound right. Cracker dry with year old shrooms has been fine in my experience, but rubbery? Throw them out. If they have been rubbery for 5 months then they likely have some kind of contamination. I would not risk eating rubbery shrooms of any kind unless they were fresh picked
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Zymosis]
#23590060 - 08/29/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks very much, Zymosis!
I don't mind 'wasting' during my first trip if it were necessary, as I have so many and I'm in a bit of a hurry to get some clarity and answers, and do not have a trustworthy sitter available whenever I need him, in fact, he's going away for a while next week. But if you don't think it would be a good idea to redose during the first trip for whatever reasons (other than wasting), I won't.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Zymosis]
#23590095 - 08/29/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never managed to cracker-dry them in the first place... as a newby, it looks like I didn't do things properly, but like I say, never cracker-dry, just 'dry', as in dehydrated but obviously not well enough. And they continue in the same state as they were 5 months ago, except for a batch that did get mould and I haven't kept, obviously. And the first time I tried them, when I only got a stoned-type feeling, slurry speech, crying, etc, they were also rubbery. What I mean by rubbery is like when they first dry and shrivel but you don't use like a silica method for getting rid of ALL the moisture, 100%...
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23590152 - 08/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moisture in your shrooms creates a breeding ground for bacteria and mold. I wouldn't risk it, it is not worth getting sick while you're tripping or worse. Grow some more and use a dehydrator or silica to make them cracker dry. Seal them in an airtight container with some silica packets and oxygen thiefs. They'll last a lonnnnggg time if stored properly.
On another note, I know you're in a rush for clarity and answers but taking your time may serve you better. Since youre growing them you will have plenty of time (and mushrooms) for finding the answers you seek
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23590179 - 08/29/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont like acid and i still recommend 3.5g, you ll find different opinions about this matter anyway!
I was talking about 3.5g cracker dried.
In your case its so hard to know how much you should take because they aren't dry or fresh (because they might have lost potency or could be contaminated)
The silica method or fan drying atent the proper way to do it, the best way to get em cracker dry is by using a dehydrator or you can search oven teks.
You have already ordered a growing kit, so learn how to take a "spore print" by using the search engine so you can use this print later. And try to grow them by yourself.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: oontribe]
#23590366 - 08/29/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone.
Now wondering... (yes, more questions!)... If I prepare the rubbery ones making tea instead of the lemon tek, wouldn't the boiling water kill any possible bacteria that might be there?
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23590842 - 08/29/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just in case anyone else knows, I'll ask this one again:
Now wondering... (yes, more questions!)... If I prepare the rubbery ones making tea instead of the lemon tek, wouldn't the boiling water kill any possible bacteria that might be there?
Thanks.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23591385 - 08/29/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Paya said: Just in case anyone else knows, I'll ask this one again:
Now wondering... (yes, more questions!)... If I prepare the rubbery ones making tea instead of the lemon tek, wouldn't the boiling water kill any possible bacteria that might be there?
Thanks.
I don't know enough about sterilization to help you here, but I'm going to try what I can since I don't see other responses. Hopefully we can get a microbiologist to chime in 

I found this on the interwebs. So it looks like killing various strains of bacteria and mold could require temperatures between 110F and 150F, sometimes requiring that temperature to remain for 75 minutes. (There must be someone here who can chime in who has used a pressure cooker for similar purposes )
Oddly enough the search engine isn't finding many scientific studies on the degradation temperatures of psilocybin, but a search on the shroomery is showing anything from people being paranoid over room temp to people claiming over 200F is the degradation temperature... anyone have experience with this?
You can try boiling them if you want. I'd be interested in knowing how the potency remains if they're kept at a sterilizing temperature for a long enough time to really kill any potential harmful bacteria so please report back with details if you do that. You may still be better off just starting over with the new grow kit though
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Zymosis]
#23591409 - 08/29/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also I forgot to mention that just the fact that they have been moist for 5 months and not airtight (allowed to oxidize) must have also decreased the potency somewhat. So that combined with the boiling.... prospects do not look good
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Zymosis]
#23591886 - 08/29/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I expect a strong potency loss. I once stored mushrooms unproperly (not airtight, without zip-bag), and the magic was entirely gone after 9 months. Freshly dried, three grams had rocked my world upside down. With time they became soft and bendy. After 9 months I ate seven grams and felt almost nothing, only a little body high.
Since then I use to make chocolates as soon as I have enough new shrooms. I keep them in the fridge, no noticable potency loss this way for more than two years so far.
Beginners should take a normal (or big) dose, sth between 2.5 and 5 grams. Starting low is a wrong approach with mushrooms as an underwhelming experience (1-2g) is more confusing and emotionally discomforting than actually making fun. That's why I give beginners 3.5g of potent mushrooms.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Zymosis]
#23592339 - 08/30/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zymosis, thank you so much for taking the trouble to do all that searching! I'm going to search on all those bacteria and fungi to see how bad they are if they're ingested. And lesson learned, about not being slack about the cultivation and storing of magic mushrooms. Thanks again.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Pandemoon]
#23592352 - 08/30/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for your reply, Pandemoon!
How did you prepare your 9-month-old shrooms? Did they cause you any discomfort from possible bacteria or fungi? I guess the answer must be no, as you haven't mentioned it, but if you could tell me anyway, I'd appreciate it.
And now wondering, have you ever taken a specific amount and added some more after a while if they didn't work?
So you reckon 3.5g of potent mushrooms for a beginner, even if the beginner is suffering from depression and is anxious about first trip? I watched a video of McKenna saying everyone should do 5g, but McKenna was McKenna, and seemed to be able to take anything! :-D
Thanks again.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23592396 - 08/30/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. You guys must really down bad shrooms. The most I can handle in my 15 yrs of avid use is a g and a half. I mean I am totally hallucinating cartoons and shit. I would not advise eating moisture filled mushrooms that have sat for 5 months either.....Paya, their dosage is wayyyy too high for a newbie. If you are set on eating what you have, start with a half gram. After an hour if you feel you can handle more, do another half.They should hit after 30 min of ingestion. Just keep goin that way. You will have full blown effect after every hour. You will know when enough is enough for you. Never take a shitload at first. You can always add but never take away. I just eat them straight but you can boil them in water, pour in a cup and add honey to put them down or just thrown them in food. Friends will make a bagel with cream cheese and throw them in the middle. Another tip I found for me is when I get too f'ed up on those to eat food. Brings me down in about 30 min( it feels like 3 hours). I really don't advise eating what you have if its still wet though. You're just going to get very sick. You can't cook/dry the mold out.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Pandemoon]
#23592398 - 08/30/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Beginners should take a normal (or big) dose, sth between 2.5 and 5 grams. Starting low is a wrong approach with mushrooms as an underwhelming experience (1-2g) is more confusing and emotionally discomforting than actually making fun. That's why I give beginners 3.5g of potent mushrooms.
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Agreed. OP I've used shrooms for the exact same reason and I found doing a low dose of liberty caps just made me anxious and annoyed. I waited a week and upped the dosage to a more normal amount and had a great time, it was chill as fuck.
Also I'd recommend just growing new mushrooms, 5 months without being cracker dry or airtight? They'd be a waste of time.
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#23592409 - 08/30/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, this is like everything in life, very different opinions, as everyone's lives and circumstances are different, I guess...
Well... it's a few hours from now, I have to really think hard about what to do and how...
Thanks everyone!!
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Re: Advice needed on potency of old shrooms, dosage and tek for BEGINNER [Re: Paya]
#23592419 - 08/30/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regardless of what you decide to do, I hope it goes well and you achieve the result you desire. If the trip does take a bad turn, remember it's just a drug and will wear off eventually. Take deep breaths and keep a blanket on hand. I'm sure you'll have a great time but you can never be too prepared.
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