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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: iiilil]
    #23587843 - 08/28/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trinity: It's the Good, the Bad, and the Truth.
The Truth is the balance and it is void of both Good and Evil.




Id say that's too far out. How can you say that shit when you dont even know why or how you exist?


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
    #23587853 - 08/28/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The balance of things and 50% laws are a load of shit though. The universe is chaos, not balanced on 2 sides.




I agree nothing is absolute or equal. Existance is a product of perception and vice-versa. We are blessed/cursed with knowledge of mortality and awareness of instinctual will to live. We also possess the free will to manipulate our reality both physical and mental for the good or the bad or neutrality. Therefore we can never hope to conquer the chaos or find the "good or right" path but simply follow the push of what we consider good and take a series of paths that all possess pleasure and pain and gifts and loss. When we accept we cannot truly control our fate or future we can find true peace. Knowledge of everything could be torment. Ignorance of all existance is not "bliss"  but neutrality and the absence of pleasure as well as pain. Nothingness is only feared because we fear the unknown as a threat.

Sorry yall I got preachy but point is the universe maybe chaos but chaos and the lack of truth or meaning need not be negative. Good and Evil are theoretical ideas which cannot survive in a vacuum without each other. We appreciate life because of death.




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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: trees]
    #23587855 - 08/28/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trinity: It's the Good, the Bad, and the Truth.
The Truth is the balance and it is void of both Good and Evil.




Id say that's too far out. How can you say that shit when you dont even know why you exist?



I'd like for him to comment on that a little more.
A little bit of a skew of what is known as 'the trinity'. But, i'm curious on how he arrived at it.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: trees]
    #23587858 - 08/28/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Y is just a letter in our English alphabet.
The universe doesn't give a shit about why, it just IS.
Devour to survive, my friend. You see the balance in that?


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23587874 - 08/28/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No 50% balance there. Eat an animal that lived for 5 years, it'll provide you with much less than "5 years worth" of energy


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23587885 - 08/28/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If there is a hell, I'll be there.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: trees]
    #23587892 - 08/28/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No 50% balance there. Eat an animal that lived for 5 years, it'll provide you with much less than "5 years worth" of energy..




You are getting caught up on the details. I'm no mathematician, the devil is and the devil is in the details. 

You don't see the balance between the notion that for us to live other things must die? Even if you're pacifist you are crushing micro-organism with every single step you take.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23587904 - 08/28/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Language means nothing really if you really think about it. I mean have you ever been around people that talk and say all kind of big words & sentences just to get out one little point. Well, I have unfourtunately. Or that guy that won't ever let you get a word in. Or  even that guy that you were scared to share your openion with because he's always right.I believe if we had never made so many words for everything the world would be much better. I also believe that we would have been able to speak to each other through our concusses. Peace & Love


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: trees]
    #23587907 - 08/28/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure theres way more dark lightless space in the uinverse than there is lighted areas.




Darkness is nothing and only terrifying because we perceive other senses and fear unknown. Without awareness there is nothing positive or negative as perception.

Does the absence of knowing before life scare you? Why should absence after life be feared? Fear is a response to threat and to basic animal instinct our perception of the possible absence of life post-mortality conflicts with our will to live and therefore triggers fear.

As humans we can conquer this response through sheer will and our power to put othera before ourselves. Self sacrifice is a reality and a paradox of the drive to survive. The Bible may be false or true what matters most is the idea a man would sacrifice his own life for others and truly accept flaws and forgive is a beautiful message. Jesus whether real or not provides an inspiring message even if I dont believe in the religion.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
    #23587921 - 08/28/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fear is a primitive instinct that was necessary for survival and should no longer be needed in today's world. It's used for control. It's baggage we carry around. Acceptance and understanding or love is the only way to a better existence.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
    #23587928 - 08/28/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say that conquering "that response" would be to fall over dead and do nothing at all.

I don't think putting yourself before others and sacrificing yourself is of much significance outside of the human mind. Also, In a bunch of ways we can see that behavior as selfish


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
    #23587950 - 08/28/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure theres way more dark lightless space in the uinverse than there is lighted areas.




Darkness is nothing and only terrifying because we perceive other senses and fear unknown. Without awareness there is nothing positive or negative as perception.

Does the absence of knowing before life scare you? Why should absence after life be feared? Fear is a response to threat and to basic animal instinct our perception of the possible absence of life post-mortality conflicts with our will to live and therefore triggers fear.

As humans we can conquer this response through sheer will and our power to put othera before ourselves. Self sacrifice is a reality and a paradox of the drive to survive. The Bible may be false or true what matters most is the idea a man would sacrifice his own life for others and truly accept flaws and forgive is a beautiful message. Jesus whether real or not provides an inspiring message even if I dont believe in the religion.



If you shine with the light then the darkness becomes light to you.  Yes you are right it is a very good story just like some of our life's have also. He was born of no Earthly Father, then he rose because he is Christ & cannot die either. So how can we deny or argue against a God & Jesus that we don't even know exactly what are. I believe in them, but I have nothing to loose for doing so & everything to gain. Peace & Love


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23588013 - 08/28/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Whichever one your mom goes to.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23588048 - 08/28/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd say heaven and hell exists on Earth at the same time, it just depends on how much of each you end up getting for your life.

In this life I'm at like 95% heaven, 5% hell for now. Unlike people in Africa who have more like 5% heaven (sex, sleep, food) and 95% hell (starvation, death, violence)

And the after life is a random reincarnation, there's no influence or order for what you get reborn as.

But in the infinite span of time, you will experience every single life that exists at least once.




There is more truth to this then you realize. The balance of all things dictates that if heaven and hell truly exist then half the world will go to heaven and half the world must go to hell.

Would you choose Heaven knowing half the world would go to hell? To me this seems irrevocably selfish. 

The same is for being said that for US in the united states to live so well, others in the world have to live very poorly. There always needs to be a balance and unless we stop being such elite capitalist consumers, hogging all and everything (resources) then the rest of the world will never stop suffering



Yes. I don't like places that get too crowded anyhow. Peace & Love


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
    #23588078 - 08/28/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If there is a hell, I'll be there.




I know, that's why I'm always trying to save your sorry ass, but you won't listen, and you just call me crazy.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23588087 - 08/28/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not worried about it.  If there's a hell, I'll fit in better there.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
    #23588092 - 08/28/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can't argue with that. God's Will be done, I guess. :ohwell:


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
    #23588098 - 08/28/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: zZZz]
    #23588102 - 08/28/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God knows there's tares growing amongst the wheat.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23588104 - 08/28/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God:burke:


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