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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23601955 - 09/01/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's a dude? Doubt it.
In response to the actual thread, I'd go to Heaven.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23601959 - 09/01/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Anal sex is perverse because you can't fertilize eggs in an asshole"

You also can't fertilize eggs in a condom. Do you think heterosexual vaginal sex with a condom is perverse because it can't lead to babies ?

What about if a woman is infertile and can't fertilize eggs . Is it perverse for an infertile woman to have sex with a man because she can't have a baby ?

And masterbation is also perverse ?

And if a woman has heterosexual vaginal sex and use birth control , that is perverse?

And of course blow jobs are perverse , because you can't fertilize eggs in a mouth ?

So you never engage in masturbation, oral sex or sex with birth control or condoms?

If you do engage in any of those things, do you recognize yourself to be just as perverse as homosexuals having anal sex, and for the same reason ? (these acts won't lead to fertilization of an egg?)


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23601961 - 09/01/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I like to think I'd go to heaven, but I've done some bad things. I've tried to do my best to do right since then, but who really knows.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23601966 - 09/01/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That's a dude? Doubt it.





That is a male to female transgender , also called a transgender woman.

In other words, yes, the person in that picture was born a boy.

Why do you doubt it ?

That is far from the only sexy transgender woman by the way.

There are more than a few that are smoking, although that is the most gorgeous one I have seen so far.

That boy is hotter than 99% of girls.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23601969 - 09/01/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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By my own standards I'm a reasonably good person. In the event of a petty bureaucrat god who expects us to correctly guess that the Jehovah's Witnesses or some shit was the one true religion, I guess I'm fucked. That scenario is pretty low on my list of concerns though.



I assure you that God isn't like that at all. She just wants you to be a good person, which means you'll go to heaven.



I don't believe very strongly in the possibility of a heaven, but trying to be a good person seems like the best policy regardless.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: psi]
    #23601994 - 09/01/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ime, being a good person sometimes isn't enough.. there's all kinds of mazes u gotta walk through, so many trap doors u gotta know what is what and which is which. cuz peeps be trying to drag u deeper into the abyss and u may not even realize till u're there..


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23602008 - 09/01/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I like to think I'd go to heaven, but I've done some bad things. I've tried to do my best to do right since then, but who really knows.




There are certainly people who have done bad things to you in your life.

Think about a few of those people and what wrongs they did you and how they hurt you.

Then ask yourself - if you had the power, would you condemn any of those people to an eternity of agony and torture without end?

Do you think any of the things any of those people did to you would warrant billions of years of torture?

If you answered no, then you have some compassion and mercy in you.

Even your limited human compassion and mercy is enough to spare your worst enemies from hell.

Given that God is surely far more conpassionate and merciful than any person , how could we imagine that he would condemn people to punishments we would consider to monstrous to inflict on our worst enemies?

Especially considering that those people are God's own creations

He made them. He made them and put them in the circumstances of their lives .

Therefore God is responsible for the nature and the nurture of those people.

He coded their genetics. He chose what family they would be born in and what circumstances and environment they would grow up in.

How then could a merciful loving God condemn his own creations to a punishment more monstrous than anything even the most evil person has ever done ?

If we make a robot and program it to be an atheist, what sense would it make to condemn that robot to an infinity of torment simply for acting out the program we ourselves coded it with?

If we paint a bad painting, do we blame the painting ?

We are the artists, and whatever faults we find in the painting are our own fault, not the fault of the painting itself.

If the robot is an atheist it is because of how we made it, not any fault of its own.

What kind of loving compassionate artist paints a painting blue, then condemns it for being blue, then tortures it for eternity because it is not red ?

If you are a democrat , would you condemn conservatives to an eternity of agony because they don't share the same political ideology you do?

How then would a benevolent merciful loving God condemn followers of one religion to eternal torture just because of the ideas they hold , as a result of the family as upbringing that he himself put them into ?

If you have a friend who calls you Tom that brings you flowers every Sunday, and another friend who calls you Tim and brings you fruit every Saturday , would you cast one of them into hell for calling you a different name or bringing you different gifts ?

Either God is merciful and loving, or hell exists.

It cannot be both.

God is love, and Hell does not exist.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23602025 - 09/01/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"Anal sex is perverse because you can't fertilize eggs in an asshole"

You also can't fertilize eggs in a condom. Do you think heterosexual vaginal sex with a condom is perverse because it can't lead to babies ?

What about if a woman is infertile and can't fertilize eggs . Is it perverse for an infertile woman to have sex with a man because she can't have a baby ?

And masterbation is also perverse ?

And if a woman has heterosexual vaginal sex and use birth control , that is perverse?

And of course blow jobs are perverse , because you can't fertilize eggs in a mouth ?

So you never engage in masturbation, oral sex or sex with birth control or condoms?

If you do engage in any of those things, do you recognize yourself to be just as perverse as homosexuals having anal sex, and for the same reason ? (these acts won't lead to fertilization of an egg?)




I already said earlier in this thread that I don't tie myself down with orthodoxy. I'm not laying out a set of laws that I expect or anticipate myself and everyone else to strictly adhere to. I'm just stating the objective truth, which is what perversion is and isn't. The flesh is weak, lust is biologically-hardwired, and we are imperfect and susceptible to it all. Only I don't try to justify it as an anything-goes-all-natural-free-for-all state of being. The difference between a shameless sexual hedonist and someone with my views is that we actually acknowledge the masturbatory impulse and subsequent acts as a part of our sin instead of trying to pretend there's no sin therein and thus no need for repentance.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23602027 - 09/01/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And show me a picture of an attractive tranny with no make-up on.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23602097 - 09/01/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You haven't actually offered a definition of what perversion is.

You have implied that any sexual action that doesn't result in the fertilization of an egg is perverse, but have provided no rationale or logic for why that is so.

Furthermore, your idea of perversion is the opposite of objective . It is literally, and extremely, subjective .

You have at least tacitly admitted that if homosexuals are perverse , they are not any more Perverse than the vast majority of human beings who engage in some form of sex that doesn't result in the fertilization of an egg.

By the implied definition you have laid out so far, homosexual sex is no more or less perverse than sex with a condom , masturbate or have oral sex.

You say that you are different because you recognize that these things Are sins and require repentance.

But there are many homosexuals who feel the same way and are conscious of their sexual activity as sin.

In other words, there is no fundamental difference between you and the homosexuals you call weird and perverse.

I would suggest to you therefore that calling them weird and perverse is not necessary or helpful.

We are all sinners regardless of sexual orientation and God loves us all regardless of sexual orientation.

Salvation is offered to them no less than to you or anyone else .

"Judge not lest you be judged "

"Worry not over the speck in your brothers eye until you have removed the log from your own"

As a fellow follower of Christ I would urge you to switch your emphasis from judgment to compassion.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23602118 - 09/01/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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there are many homosexuals who feel the same way and are conscious of their sexual activity as sin




Well there you go...

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Moonshoe said:
As a fellow follower of Christ I would urge you to switch your emphasis from judgment to compassion.




I'm not going to sacrifice truth at the alter of compassion. Absolute, unflinching truth takes precedence over compassion. Within truth, there is plenty of room for compassion. I don't wish hellfire on people, I warn them against it. My judgement is not born of personal malice or hate, I am just being truthful. And sometimes the truth hurts.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23602579 - 09/01/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

After reading more than I needed I realize Id much rather burn in a lake of tormenting waste while my dick was flayed and "God-Allah-Yahweh-[insert deity] butt fuck each other and play the song "Wrecking Ball" by Miley Cyrus than go to paradise with you . I mean seriously ignorant shit "gods male or female" WHO CARES? Show me the proof I wont die in a tire fire and cease to exist please. :rofl: :slowtard:


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
    #23602600 - 09/01/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's your funeral. :ohwell:


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
    #23602754 - 09/01/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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As a spirit worker I don't buy the Christian notion of Hell as the septic tank of Heaven.

Rather, I see the energy of the universe as being pure unconditional love. Visualize that as a light. Close to the source you are bathing in an abundance of it (Heaven) further away from it its wearing thin. (Hell)

Heaven and Hell are places you move through, with the choices you make, its not a place you are stuck forever in.




But to continue with ur response Asante, so u see the universe as pure energy and that's it?.. do you believe in good and evil?..





There absolutely is good and evil but its a duality that exists within the Oneness. A very important duality though.

You see, every single thing and division of a thing has a spirit assigned to it that is sentient and all spirits fit together like Russian dolls in an ultimate hierarchy between the smallest, the One, and the greatest, the Many.

All of these spirits are entire versions of the whole, just more or less expanded.

They are all YOU, they are all ME, they are all God.

One giant hierarchy of spirits that is all the same being.

You evolve. You evolve from the lowest, towards the highest. You start out as the smallest subatomic particle and you'll end up being the Universe entirely.

The Universe cycles from void to big bang to physical universe to void again, for all eternity.

Void is the lowest form of energy. It is attraction without repulsion. All that this universe is is an energy that attracts itself, and in doing so it condenses into every possible thing, into every possible sequence, until it dissipates again to its expanded form, for all eternity.

The universe is a box of lego that plays with itself in every posible way, forever.

But, and there is a but.

It has AWARENESS. The Void and every single thing has awareness. You, a tree, a brick of your house, the vacuum of space, its aware. All things are connected and together they are one living sentient thing of incredible complexity and solely composed of boundless, eternal attraction. I call that God. To me Universe (or Multiverse) and God are synonymous. The creation IS the creator.

Yeah, basically.







Yes. I pretty much agree with your views. I will constantly be learning about myself, my place in the universe, and the universe itself and shaping and reshaping my views on it, but for the most part I completely agree.

As such I do not believe in heaven or hell in the traditional sense, I don't believe in pure evil or pure goodness - I think hell is more a state of mind and that all hate and suffering is ultimately born out of pain or fear(not to turn into that weird Donnie Darko gym teacher fear/love lady on y'all).

I think I am a genuinely good person, but I am a person, and because of that I am as flawed and fucked up as anybody - and if there were a hell in the catholic or even Abrahamic sense that followed scripture, I'll see you guys there. :evil:


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
    #23602852 - 09/01/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.





That's not entirely true.  There are plenty of verses in the bible that say that we are to obey the laws of the land.  As long as drugs are illegal, using them is a sin according to the bible.




Not only that, but there are also verses that speak out against intoxication.

When you use drugs, the whole point is to get "intoxicated," isn't it?

Even if it isn't explicitly referring to drugs, I guarantee you every one of us have gotten intoxicated from alcohol at one point, which would make us all sinners, wouldn't it?


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23602877 - 09/01/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't even waste your time or effort on that one. Dude's a notorious troll and just refuses to have conversations like ordinary people.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23602879 - 09/01/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You said Intersex sodomy is perverse.

So you think anal sex between a man and a woman is perverse . (You realize inter - sex means between different genders ?)

My question then would be can you explain why?

Why do you consider consensual anal sex between a man and a woman perverse?

In what way and for what reason?




Didn't god say that sex that doesn't fulfill procreation is wrong? Even spilling your seed on the ground (AKA jacking off) was considered to be immoral in the bible. 

In fact quite many super-religious people, such as the Amish, prescribe to this belief. Amish men won't even have sex with their wives the whole 9 months while she is pregnant, because they consider it a sin since she cannot fertilize another egg.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23602895 - 09/01/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That is a male to female transgender , also called a transgender woman.

In other words, yes, the person in that picture was born a boy.

Why do you doubt it ?




The boy looks like she hasn't gone through puberty yet, so I believe it. They're the most passable if they start using those hormone blockers as children and pre-teens.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23602934 - 09/01/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And make-up. They always seem to be caked with it.


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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23602953 - 09/01/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.





That's not entirely true.  There are plenty of verses in the bible that say that we are to obey the laws of the land.  As long as drugs are illegal, using them is a sin according to the bible.




Not only that, but there are also verses that speak out against intoxication.

When you use drugs, the whole point is to get "intoxicated," isn't it?

Even if it isn't explicitly referring to drugs, I guarantee you every one of us have gotten intoxicated from alcohol at one point, which would make us all sinners, wouldn't it?




As I already pointed out, the only verses in the bible about drugs are about not drinking to excess.

Dont get exceedingly drunk.

That is the sum total of what the bible has to say about drugs.

If you read the entire bible, as I have, this is what it says about mind altering substances:

"Don't get shitfaced"

As I already said repeatedly: yes, we are all, without exception, sinners.

The fact that all humans are sinners is absolutely central to Christianity.

But although we are all sinners, drug use in and of itself is not a sin in any biblical sense.


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