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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman]
#23592744 - 08/30/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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niteman said: God it is unique in in its wording and message ans that is what makes it valuable. It is peace love and kindness to your fellow man
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niteman said: Humans...need to be slain out of mercy.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
#23592769 - 08/30/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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niteman said: God it is unique in in its wording and message ans that is what makes it valuable. It is peace love and kindness to your fellow man
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niteman said: Humans...need to be slain out of mercy.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Newage whitewashing.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23592826 - 08/30/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23592904 - 08/30/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn yall Im trying to be sincere please dont bust my balls. The message of "Jesus" is comforting to many. The god who plagues, kills, and turns people into pillars of salt doesnt seem liken good guy
Maybe I was harsh and violent revolution, vigilanteism Radical action to free oppressed people or animals is misguided
FOR THE LAST TIME I DONT KNOW NOR DO I CARE FOR AN EXISTENCE AFTER DEATH. I try to live my life harming none and helping others if anybody has a problem flame me much as you want. I l know who I am I like to discuss religion and philosophy from as neutral view Feel free to disagree but at least understand IM NOT PREACHING!
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
#23592996 - 08/30/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Check out this scumbag
Religion is intended to be medicine, which means that most religous people are sick. Some are doctors, but most are patients.
Allah is Love, is Mercy, if your spin on that is to tell people to kill others, you don't sound like a doctor to me. In Islam like in Christianity it is God and ONLY God who should sit in judgement over people.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante] 2
#23594109 - 08/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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WTF are you talking about it? Those aren't my views being expressed in the video, that guy is a Muslim Imam holding ceremony in America. And he's trying to justify sharia law death sentences for gays by saying it's the most compassionate thing you could do for them. To just murder them and put them out of their misery like they're an injured animal or something. Radical Islam is criminality expressed through monotheistic cultism.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
#23594546 - 08/30/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some time ago I seem to recall Asante claiming he is muslim, but his avatar says "All is 1, you are that." whereas in Islam God is 1 and is separate from creation, none are beside him. His avatar implies that we are all God, which is a contradiction to Islam. Likewise, if it is only God that should sit in judgment of people, and "we are all 1" and "Allah is 1" then that means "we are all Allah" and it is perfectly okay for people to judge each other.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23594573 - 08/30/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer the "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" God. It's a much more realistic God. And much more believable in a metaphysical sense, too.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Great Scott]
#23596497 - 08/31/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: I prefer the "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" God. It's a much more realistic God. And much more believable in a metaphysical sense, too.
I agree. Religion seems to evolve and it seems natural that people eventually developed a distaste in causing suffering and the burden of holding grudges. So it only makes sense to me that more forgiving and compassionate versions developed as way to encourage positive social interaction as a way to enaure our survival. We are social creatures thats just my take on it.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23596511 - 08/31/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not to concerned with the religious aspect of this but I value animal life human and otherwise I even view all life with respect. Hypothetically though if you could end suffering or atrocities would you end life yourself? Im not asking if able because few can answer but if I knew it was compassionate or prevented more death I think I would want to. Honest question feel free not to reply
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: niteman] 1
#23596894 - 08/31/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Allah is surely the merciful, the compassionate, the oft retuning to mercy.
He asks only that we submit ourselves to him , repent of our sins and set up no partners with him, recognizing that God is One.
Allah means "the God". Allah is one and the same as Yahweh, Jehova, Adonai, Yehua and Jah.
He is called by many names and worshipped in many ways. But I believe he accepts all worship in the spirit in which it is offered.
I believe Allah is loving and accepts all Worship of God as worship of Him, regardless of the religion or name that is used by the worshippers.
Just as if you had many friends who call you by different names , but you know they all mean to speak to you.
And when worshippers bring diverse gifts to God in the form of diverse kinds of worship and prayer, he accepts them all with Grace , just as your friends might being you various gifts but you would appreciate them all and the thought behind them.
God is loving and merciful and compassionate , the Quran repeats this Again and again.
All religions worship the same God, because there is no other God to worship.
I forgive all people , no Matter how much they hurt or Mistreat me.
And if I can forgive and love all , how much greater is the love and mercy of God!
I Believe and pray that all beings will attain eternal life in paradise Heaven and the highest Enlightenment .
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23599977 - 09/01/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyotezen, you should disagree with me a bit less strongly, because your mind towards me is so closed that you can't make sense of my posts anymore.
Of course those aren't your views, I'd be pretty worried about you if they were.
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Radical Islam is criminality expressed through monotheistic cultism.
You call it criminality, I call it disease. In both cases it is religion of God twisted up to be used as a weapon. Thats not how it should be used.
You are a Christian, I presume. How many bulls have you cremated on your altar and how many slaves do you own? Do you believe disfigured people were punished for theoir wickedness, that shrimp are an abomination or that God forbids wearing clothes of two kinds of fiber? Do you believe God orders you to bring gays to death?
That was THEN, we live NOW. We have to sift the holybooks for what is relevant now. Chistianity and Islam were never about killing gays, the underlying message is loud and clear that God/Allah is a God of Mercy, of Forgiveness and we should leave it up to Him to judge people. True Islam is not about violence, its about ending violence, ending war, ending intolerance, just like Christianity is.
Like Moonshoe says, an I applaud his post, its ONE GOD. All Gods that are presented to us are facets of ONE GOD.
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MrBlueYoMind said: Some time ago I seem to recall Asante claiming he is muslim,
I have not said I am a Muslim, I am as much a Muslim as I am a Christian and a Hindu. I do not adhere to the letter of the scriptures but to the spirtit of all of them, and I recognize that all these Gods are in fact faces of The One God.
I do not belong to a religion, religions are destructive juggernauts, but I AM a servant of the Almighty, and that means that God in many of its guises lives in my heart.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23600017 - 09/01/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we're judging based on what's actually written in a lot of these holy books and scriptures, I would for sure be going to hell. I'm pretty certain almost everybody would be going to hell.
Having faith in only one god, not engaging in premarital sex or watching porn or having lust or any other type of sin, getting tattoos, doing drugs, all of these are considered grave sins in a lot of religions. By mere association with this website and what we do, all the members here would be going to hell.
But if we are judging based on a more humanitarian perspective, simply based on how you treat other people, then I would say most people would go to heaven, with a small percentage of people going to hell.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Crystal G]
#23600058 - 09/01/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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All people go to Heaven, but a significant number of us go through Purgatory first.
Your soul in all its purity is like copper wire, and its insulation plastic is the shields you put up, the negative deeds you have done, and so forth. If you want to salvage the copper you pile the cables in a heap and set fire to it, it will be a sooty dirty fire but it will burn all the insulation away leaving the copper wire bare and freed of impurities. Thats purgatory.
Its purpose is to purge you of what burdens you before ascent.
People mistake that for Hell eternal, because they don't have the overview.
Its a phase some of us go through. Heavcen too and death too by the way. We reincarnate forevermore.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23600129 - 09/01/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: All people go to Heaven, but a significant number of us go through Purgatory first.
Your soul in all its purity is like copper wire, and its insulation plastic is the shields you put up, the negative deeds you have done, and so forth. If you want to salvage the copper you pile the cables in a heap and set fire to it, it will be a sooty dirty fire but it will burn all the insulation away leaving the copper wire bare and freed of impurities. Thats purgatory.
Purgatory is probably us going through reincarnation on this earth several times first.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Asante]
#23600170 - 09/01/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Religion is intended to be medicine, which means that most religous people are sick. Some are doctors, but most are patients.
Allah is Love, is Mercy, if your spin on that is to tell people to kill others, you don't sound like a doctor to me. In Islam like in Christianity it is God and ONLY God who should sit in judgement over people.
I used to think like you when I was as a liberal, as ignorant about Islam as you are. There's a website called "the religion of peace" that thoroughly examines this fucked religion. Take this for example. There are no doctors, only evildoers and their ignorant followers who haven't read the Quran or the hadith and think this is truly the religion of peace.
As far as religion in general, it's patriarchal. It feeds the patriarchy. The only religion that comes close to being compatible with feminism is Judaism, in which it's reasonable to assume that the Tanakh was altered by patriarchs in order for them to maintain their power over the female, but many Jews take it literally, in which case they are indeed misogynist, like Christians. Muslims take misogyny to a whole different dimension, females are just property to them.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Crystal G]
#23600349 - 09/01/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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crystalG said: "By mere association with this website and what we do, all the members here would be going to hell"
That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.
To my knowledge there is no verse in any scripture of any religion that in any way implies that using mushrooms is a sin.
And many religions and interpretations of religion teach that whatever our sins, salvation is easily and simply attained.
Why risk it ? Accept salvation and worry no more of hell.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23600359 - 09/01/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.
That's not entirely true. There are plenty of verses in the bible that say that we are to obey the laws of the land. As long as drugs are illegal, using them is a sin according to the bible.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
#23600420 - 09/01/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.
That's not entirely true. There are plenty of verses in the bible that say that we are to obey the laws of the land. As long as drugs are illegal, using them is a sin according to the bible.
I didnt know you were Jewish? Those rules pertain to God's Chosen People. White people weren't even in the picture, except as the oppressive force that were Romans.
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Re: If you were judged and sent to heaven or hell which would it be? [Re: Enlil]
#23600456 - 09/01/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a misconception. There is not a single verse in the bible that even indirectly means That using drugs is a sin.
That's not entirely true. There are plenty of verses in the bible that say that we are to obey the laws of the land. As long as drugs are illegal, using them is a sin according to the bible.
The bible says that you should only listen to government if their actions are godly or something like that, so that's open for interpretation.
Drugs are illegal, but then you look at someone using cannabis as medicine, would god approve? I think so because the bible says god gave us all seed bearing plants for our use.
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