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heisenberg88
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return on my first experience
#23587338 - 08/28/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Shroomeries !
I've just picked my first flush of shrooms; this post is to share my experience for other newbies interested in the subject. Also I'd be glad to receive any proposition of improvement !
So as a noob I spent some hours on this forum and picked informations here and there and also found website to order a complete starter pack of Golden Teacher that I received at the beginning of the month.
Starting :
Having read the forum i cautiously washed and desinfected the maximum of things i could always wearing a mask when dealing with the box but I didn't have any problems. I guess it's harder to contaminate a box prefilled with mycellium than a self made cake.
So I opened the box, filled with water and after 12 hours in the fridge I put it in the bag.
At the beginning i always used the heating carpet I received but after having received a thermometer/hygrometer i realised that it was already hot enough (>23 °C/73 F). a grew in my bedroom so that i could open the morning before to give sunlight before leaving the house and also because it's one of the fresher rooms of the flat.
Cooling :
But we experienced a heat wave ( wit rooms temperature going to 29 °C/85 F) recently so i had to think about a system to cool the shrooms during the day. I came with this system :

The bag is on a cooling box that i loaded every morning with a bottle of frozen water, cooling a sponge.

And the thermal transfer was effectively done by a laptop cooling plaque with two fans 

The system works fine to cool at around 23 - 24 °C even with the room at 28 °C - 29 °C. It can lasts about 10-12 hours if the bottle is completely frozen.
the growth :
The rythm of growth surprised me ... for 1 days nothing was visible from the top. Then at day 12 the first head began to appear... then it exploded !
This is day 16 :

This pic is day 18 ...

Once it begins to flush the growth speed is impressive !
Harvest and drying :
On day 20 with 6-7 big heads having open hats it was time to recolt ! I picked 80 gr of shrooms. Only I didn't have time to get drying salt or whatever so i tried putting them in a sealed box with some alimentary salt ...

This really doesn't work ! After one night I saw lot of water at the top of the box....
So I changed of method : first i sliced the shrooms to facilitate dessication and i put them under my laptop fan plaque ( god i love this thing !) :
It works quite fine without any need for heating the shrooms or whatsoever. After 4 hours of drying :

I guess I'll wait until next morning and that will be ok. Some of them are already cracker dry.
Now i can't wait the test day !
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: heisenberg88]
#23587363 - 08/28/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats one goofy setup but atleast you got a result. and id die if my house was 85F
also those mushies looked starved for FAE
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mushboy]
#23587586 - 08/28/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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4 hours without hot airflow and they're cracker dry, you sure you ain't eaten some of them shrooms in four hours in a dehydrator a relatively small shroom wouldn't be perfectly dry 12+ hours By looking at the picture none are dry, cracker dry means they literally turn to dust when you squeeze them
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23588458 - 08/28/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: 4 hours without hot airflow and they're cracker dry, you sure you ain't eaten some of them shrooms in four hours in a dehydrator a relatively small shroom wouldn't be perfectly dry 12+ hours By looking at the picture none are dry, cracker dry means they literally turn to dust when you squeeze them
no way those are dry yet with that setup. The caps and stumps aren't shriveled enough in the pics to be dry in 4hrs.
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23588914 - 08/29/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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also those mushies looked starved for FAE
What do you mean ?
Also I let them all the night with the setup and now it's like :

I weighted them and now it's like 14 gr out of 80 gr. How should it weight if it's cracker dry ? 8 gr ?
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Re: return on my first experience *DELETED* [Re: heisenberg88]
#23588957 - 08/29/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: heisenberg88]
#23589142 - 08/29/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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heisenberg88 said:
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also those mushies looked starved for FAE
What do you mean ?
Also I let them all the night with the setup and now it's like :

I weighted them and now it's like 14 gr out of 80 gr. How should it weight if it's cracker dry ? 8 gr ?
Yeah round about that but don't go off the weight like I said if you squeeze it it will turn to dust that is cracker dry, most don't realise they still snap when there a bit damp I've made that mistake when I first started I had them in dehydrators for 6 hours and tested the biggest shroom and it snapped so I banged them all in an air tight container, a week later I checked them and they had gone slightly bendy and softer, I initially thought it was my container, but I redried them over night and half the next day still they crumbled when pressure was applied and they never got soft again in the container
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23589311 - 08/29/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I Have a $30 Presto electric dehydrator. I can dry 2 ounces in 4 hours...cracker dry...powders when you squeeze em.
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: 7munkee]
#23589324 - 08/29/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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7munkee said: I Have a $30 Presto electric dehydrator. I can dry 2 ounces in 4 hours...cracker dry...powders when you squeeze em.
Same one i use. Takes me 4-6 hours depending how full it is
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: 7munkee]
#23589345 - 08/29/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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7munkee said: I Have a $30 Presto electric dehydrator. I can dry 2 ounces in 4 hours...cracker dry...powders when you squeeze em.
Cool wish I had a magic dehydrator that could do that apart from everyone else that uses one says it needs a lot longer than that
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23589428 - 08/29/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said:
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7munkee said: I Have a $30 Presto electric dehydrator. I can dry 2 ounces in 4 hours...cracker dry...powders when you squeeze em.
Cool wish I had a magic dehydrator that could do that apart from everyone else that uses one says it needs a lot longer than that
Its not magic. If he has the same one i do, its because there isnt a temp setting. Mine runs around 170f. I havnt noticed much loss in potency but i also dont eat them fresh so i cant reall say
The problem i run into is bigger mushrooms still take a lot longer.
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: lvnthalife]
#23589521 - 08/29/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mine has no temp setting heats up to the same still takes longer than 4-6 hours
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: circles]
#23590758 - 08/29/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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also those mushies looked starved for FAE
What do you mean ?
Also I let them all the night with the setup and now it's like :

I weighted them and now it's like 14 gr out of 80 gr. How should it weight if it's cracker dry ? 8 gr ?
Mushrooms have lost all their flexibility when they are cracker dry. That means when you try to bend them they will snap.
Those look better, but I would finish them off in an oven. If they are pretty dry already you can just put them on a backing tray and put them in at about 60 to 80 degree Celsius just open the oven door for a bit every 15 min till they are properly dried.
After that put the shrooms in a zip lock bag and squeeze the air out. This works best when you pulverize them before putting them in the bag. After you've done this put the bag in a jar with a tight closing lid and put some desiccant in with it. Or double bag it and put the desiccant into the second bag and put this in a tight closing jar.
If you don't have silica-gel sachets you can use dry rice till you get hold of some.
This way your shrooms won't loose potency over time
Ok thank you for the advice !
even after one other day of the previous treatment it doesn't lose more weight, it's still about 13 gr and fairly dry but not cracker dry ( i guess there is still half of the weight of water).
For now i put it in a zip lock sealed in a closed box filled with dry rice in the fridge. My main concern is not about potency loss because it will be tested within a month ( ) but about the probability that it can rot during that period... 
I have ordered some drierite now. Also i have began aerating 3 other heads that were not completely grown during the first harvest. Maybe I'll finish to oven all together and then with the drierite.
For now i hope it won't rot !
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: heisenberg88]
#23590801 - 08/29/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you plan on getting regular flushes, it'd behoove you to invest in a dehydrator.
Don't play around with keeping your hard earned bounty wet longer than it needs to be!
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: circles]
#23590836 - 08/29/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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also those mushies looked starved for FAE
the mushrooms in the 'bag' or whatver fruiting chamber that is. they need more FAE. imo.
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mushboy]
#23592199 - 08/30/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok i looked abbreviations.com for FAE : does this mean Fresh Air Elemental ?
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: heisenberg88]
#23592244 - 08/30/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fresh air exchange in other words dem shrooms be choking yo By the way those mushrooms that are wet you ignored my advice so they will now go moldy and go in the trash putting wet shrooms in an air tight bag is the most retarded thing I've heard Why ask for advice if you were gonna ignore it
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23597757 - 08/31/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually i finished drying in a ventilated oven at 60-70 °C (~ 150 F) for one hour and then it was nearly cracker dry :

Now it is stored in a zip log bag with oxygen absorber bags (and I 'll add moist absorber bags as soon as i receive them ) , in a closed box in the fridge... I believe it will be ok !
Anyway i also bought a food dehydrator for the next bust. sure it will be more efficient than the FAN/oven technique, although only FAN was enough to remove 80 % of water and oven a great part of what stayed.
Concerning the following mycellium keeps growing so I think it's a good odd for the second batch :

Concerning FAE when I discovered this forum the first thing I learnt was about contamination...so I was quite paranoid and opened the seal box only 2 minutes a day like they say in the manual... But now that i saw pics of folks who kept them at open air in a kitchen I guess it was overfearing the contams
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: heisenberg88]
#23597836 - 08/31/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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over fearing contams is good!! just keep educating yourself so you can know what to look out for or not to do.. my first couple grows i left the foil ontop on my jars and put MASKING TAPE over the holes i drilled... and i wondered why they took 1.5 months to colonize.. no GE(gas exchange) which is different from fresh air exchange btw. Keep learning..keep growing.. listen to the real advice and once you find a good member that helps you out or you just like... follow the posts and see what teks they used..
how Frank get shit done is one of my favs.. also anything by pasty. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
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Re: return on my first experience [Re: mushboy]
#23597972 - 08/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you for the advice. Once this pack is exhausted in one month or two i would try PF TEK so thank you for the link.
Also I don't understand the difference between Gas Exchange and Fresh Air Exchange but I still have to read the PF TEK entirely
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