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Psykronik
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Side pinning
#23587103 - 08/28/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My test tubs are pinning heavily on the sides as I never lined with anything. Is this normal and do I just let it grow as normal?
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7munkee
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A little harder to harvest IME, but yeah, that's normal for me.
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Re: Side pinning [Re: 7munkee]
#23587453 - 08/28/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just leave it
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Psykronik
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Re: Side pinning [Re: cronicr]
#23589811 - 08/29/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not just the sides there are around hundred or so pins on the bottom and along the other sides yet there are only 3 pins coming from the top. Would I not be better flipping and putting back in the tray?
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Boogieman47
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It's because the sub is shrinking creating a micro climate you could put it on a rack in an sgfc and fruit it
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bodhisatta 
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Fix the cause not symptoms. Flipping only puts the pins where they didn't want to grow from in the first place
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Mr shroomer
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Definitely try an opaque container next time. If you have a terrarium you can birth it and let it fruit in there.
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bodhisatta 
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Opaque containers have nothing to do with side pins. Light doesn't cause side pins
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Tuhdoww
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Quote:
Trusted Cultivator said: Opaque containers have nothing to do with side pins. Light doesn't cause side pins
It's just caused by not having the tub dialed in right, right? Ellaborate if you will bodhi.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Side pinning [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23590285 - 08/29/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's the micro climate from not having liners
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Psykronik
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Il just wait it out, play by year. Lesson learned for future.
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herrenvolk


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Microclimates caused by a lack of liner explains side-pinning, but what about bottom pinning?
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Boogieman47
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Do you realize the air can be pushed under the sub in a small container? Evaporation causes pins to form the shrinking of the sub causes air to freely pass around the sub why we use liners to prevent that if the sub never shrunk from the mycelium consuming it we wouldn't have to use liners
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Mr shroomer
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What do y'all use for liners? Any sterile technique involved?
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Boogieman47
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Garbage bags I don't usually do it but you should wipe them down with ISO
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themadextractor
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I use painters plastic on a roll. It's thicker than I'd like and doesn't always prevent pins. I've used a cut up garbage bag too. Never once bothered with wiping down with iso. Iso does almost nothing for sterilizing in open air. Once dry it's no longer effective if it ever really was in the first place.
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Kenetic
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noob47 said: Garbage bags I don't usually do it but you should wipe them down with ISO
Why suggest someone do something that you don't normally do? Anyway I'd just leave the bag how it is. It's a lot cleaner because of the way it's manufactured than with you rubbing all over it.
You're right about the garbage bags though, use them.
Side pins suck and are more prone to bacterial contams. Nothing a dehydrator cant fix
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Re: Side pinning [Re: Kenetic]
#23590864 - 08/29/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psykronik said: Would I not be better flipping and putting back in the tray?
I have never tried it but looked it up before and RR (roger rabbit) said it could cause abhorts (the shrooms just stop growing/maturing properly), the shrooms get "confused" and do not grow properly, gravity apparently does matter. I think it is more acceptable to flip between flushes, but am not sure if its advisable.
I had it happen while doing an experimental grow and was considering putting supports under the substrate, which could be fairly solid at this stage. e.g. get some plastic container, 1 or 2 inch diameter and cut discs out which I would rest the substrate on to give the bottom pins more room and air to grow. Some grow in PF jars invitro and they just grow compressed around the sides.
Instead I just took it out of the container and put it on a plate to grow. When I lifted it off the plate I had some pretty big mature & squashed looking shrooms underneath. First flush in the first pic, the rest are the second flush. I was put back in the container after the first was harvested.





Edited by blackout (08/29/16 05:39 PM)
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Psykronik
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Re: Side pinning [Re: blackout]
#23590922 - 08/29/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think I might take it out and put in on something like a square plate that I have now that I have seen this. Thanks dude
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blackout


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Psykronik said: I think I might take it out and put in on something like a square plate that I have now that I have seen this. Thanks dude
If it is not convenient you could leave it in it. I wanted prints and also happened to have a large container to put them in.
Here are invitro pics, none are mine.



I could have just let mine grow squashed up and used swabs to take spores but I wanted to see what would happen. If I did not have room I would have left them be.
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spacechildo
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yeah you can flip your sub, mushrooms have no problems with that IME. flip it while the bottom pins are still young and just about an inch tall.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Side pinning [Re: blackout]
#23590965 - 08/29/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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People do wipe the bags with rubbing alcohol I just don't it depends on how or where you keep your bags I guess ... I also don't do brf cakes doesn't mean other people don't
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spacechildo
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noob47 said: People do wipe the bags with rubbing alcohol I just don't it depends on how or where you keep your bags I guess ... I also don't do brf cakes doesn't mean other people don't
hmm, I dont know anyone who does that, spawning and fruiting isnt anyway near a sterile process anyway!
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bodhisatta 
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if anything wiping the bags with iso is a sure fire way to make them dirtier.
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Boogieman47
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It's on the site and I didn't say go ahead and do it I'm just saying people do it ??
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bodhisatta 
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and I'm just saying it's stupid to do so
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Psykronik
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Here's some quick snaps I took of 360 degrees and also underneath. Just to show you how much pins are showing and what size.
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Psykronik
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Excuse the light and what not, its 1am where I am
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cronicr



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I'd take it out...may not flip it
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Psykronik
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Re: Side pinning [Re: cronicr]
#23591029 - 08/29/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was thinking the same mate. But there's a hell of a lot of pins knots pushed up against the bottom will the still grow out from underneath ?
Edited by Psykronik (08/29/16 06:05 PM)
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Kenetic
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got a wire rack? Like you'd use in a sab?
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Psykronik
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Re: Side pinning [Re: Kenetic]
#23591144 - 08/29/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I certainly do mate
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mushpunx
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I have the same thing going right now, I was lazy and didnt line my clone testers
Usually I use thick plastic drop cloth roll as liners. Its a big roll of thick plastic you can cut to size, and its clear. It makes it easy to lift subs out.
If I need to flip a sub, I hold the lid up tight against the surface of the sub as I flip it
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Re: Side pinning [Re: mushpunx]
#23592063 - 08/29/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had a few slightly contaminated BRF jars lately, let them sit a while, and they Grow mushrooms inside The jar.
One thing I've really noticed is man they absolutely take every drop of moisture from the cake. The cakes are light as a cracker after an invitro harvest IMO.
Aside from asthetics, it almost seems reasonable to fruit in the jar. Every jar I let do it's thing inside, always gets me 3.5-4 grams dry easily. Sometimes my cakes do not put out the strongest flushes. But you can just fill the jar with water, let sit a day,drain, forget for a week, and come back to huge mushrooms.
Also noticed invitro mushrooms grow MUCH faster than not. A small pin, in my experience, turns into a huge mushroom in three days tops.
Kinda drunk sorry. That was fun.
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I seem to get less side pinning by packing the substrate a little harder with my finger tips around the edges before I add the casing layer. I haven't used liners in months cause I'm lazy but it's working out
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mushpunx
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Re: Side pinning [Re: liloldme]
#23592460 - 08/30/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I seem to get less side pinning by packing the substrate a little harder with my finger tips around the edges before I add the casing layer. I haven't used liners in months cause I'm lazy but it's working out
I know a few folks who get really nice even growth across the surface without liners, they all have thier little tricks. I think a real level surface was one I heard
I think the main thing is to provide really nice conditions on the surface
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Psykronik
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Re: Side pinning [Re: mushpunx]
#23592578 - 08/30/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They monotubs look identical to my set up right now
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