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OfflineWulver
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Alternative to LSD?
    #23587098 - 08/28/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I enjoy the occasional solo acid trip. I have my room pretty well kitted out for it, with RGB lights that changes well with my sound system, massive tv, cool pictures etc.

The only thing is I like to trip later in the day, normally after 8pm (things to do) which means no sleep that night. So if I decide to take LSD although the first half of the trip is great, once I start my descent I get into a limbo phase of being exhausted but too wired to sleep, and then the rest of the day is just me being exhausted and basically going a full day with no sleep.

Is there anything with the strong visuals like LSD but with half the trip time?

I've tried shrooms before, but must not have taken a high enough dosage as the visuals weren't strong, it just made colours brighter or stand out more, maybe because I'm used to tripping on 200-400ug LSD. My main gripe with shrooms is the price compared to LSD. It so damn expensive for a single trip compared to LSD.

I will eventually try DMT, but I want something that I can trip to whilst chilling with music, rather than transporting me to another dimension.

I was going to get XTC (never tried it) but my mate says it's more of a club drug and he can't imagine taking it then just chilling.

2-CB has my eye atm but apparently the visuals aren't good unless you take a high dosage.

Any opinions?


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Wulver]
    #23587144 - 08/28/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ETC is great for chilling although I would do it with at least 1 other person preferably someone you could get sexual with. To me taking it in a club is a waste unless you can go to your car and fuck someone.
Edit: It will keep you up for a while but it's not as bad as LSD insomnia I get. Usually the main part is over in 4 hours but it can vary a lot.

Most people seem to love 2cb some like it way better than LSD. I'd do that if you can get it. Never done it myself.

I'd get some 4-aco-dmt if you can very similar to mushrooms and as safe but you only have to take a very small amount to feel it like 20-30mg
Last about 4-6 hours sometimes 8 in pretty high doses.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Wulver]
    #23587150 - 08/28/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you tried smoking a shit ton of weed after the trip is all over?

Puts my ass right to sleep.

If your going for lsd visuals imo you are not going to be able to match it with another drug that isn't going to give you the same insomnia.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23587154 - 08/28/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also would like to say I would want to try 2c-b so bad that sometimes I cry my self to sleep thinking about it.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Wulver]
    #23587183 - 08/28/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wulver said:
Is there anything with the strong visuals like LSD but with half the trip time?





:lol:

Gee I don't maybe FUCKING SHROOMS lmfao

ha but seriously though mushrooms are hands down the most visual psychedelic I've ever taken. (haven't done DMT yet)
More visual than LSD and infinitely more visual than 2C-B
Mushrooms are better for tripping in solo darkness as well and more of a learning experience at least for me.

It's very unwise to take LSD in the fashion that you're taking it btw. You should only be taking acid at 8 o' clock at night if you've been resting or sleeping the whole day. You said you have things to do during the day but if you really can't find the time for these things then these things will not fully benefit you in the way they could.

Seriously just do shrooms, they're more visual, way more entertaining and last only 6 hours whereas LSD is 10 to 12 hours.
However usually I get more time dilation with mushrooms so overall it can end up feeling way longer than LSD it's just LSD seems to be more strenuous towards the end for some reason even though hyperspace via shrooms can feel like days or weeks.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23587193 - 08/28/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Also would like to say I would want to try 2c-b so bad that sometimes I cry my self to sleep thinking about it.




It's really not that great man. 2C-B is not that great guys just letting you know that.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587199 - 08/28/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard that if you like stimulants like mdma and such you will love 2c-b.

It's not really visual and not as intense, correct?


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23587215 - 08/28/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not really visual and not as intense, correct?




That's right and it's not spiritual and it really does almost nothing to my ego and my cultural/personal biases. There's no feelings of eternalism or feelings of rebirth or alienness. Mushrooms and LSD are both like taking the real life red pill and 2C-B is definitely not this way at all.

It can be stimulating but at the same time not really. I found 2C-I to be more stimulating and lucid but also slightly more synthetic in feel. 2C-I felt more like a real trip or experience and 2C-B just feels like a drug that gives some psychedelic effects and headspace.

It doesn't feel meaningful or profound and I never learned anything from it, I see it as purely recreational. The visuals aren't nearly as captivating and otherworldly. MDMA is different and people take it for different reasons. I wouldn't say if you like stimulants you'll like 2C-B because it's more of a psychedelic.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587218 - 08/28/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The visuals from LSD and shrooms look completely like they're from some angelic alien dimension not 2C-B though. The visuals from 2C-B I feel are just a projection of what's already floating around in my consciousness. There's nothing really incomprehensible about it.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23587230 - 08/28/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
ETC is great for chilling although I would do it with at least 1 other person preferably someone you could get sexual with. To me taking it in a club is a waste unless you can go to your car and fuck someone.
Edit: It will keep you up for a while but it's not as bad as LSD insomnia I get. Usually the main part is over in 4 hours but it can vary a lot.

Most people seem to love 2cb some like it way better than LSD. I'd do that if you can get it. Never done it myself.

I'd get some 4-aco-dmt if you can very similar to mushrooms and as safe but you only have to take a very small amount to feel it like 20-30mg
Last about 4-6 hours sometimes 8 in pretty high doses.




I don't mind a bit of insomnia as I always have some weed for the comedown, but the 16 hour trip LSD would give me can be a put off. I wonder if 4-aco-dmt is the same as 5-MeO-DMT then as I've seen that before.

4-aco-dmt sounds like a good shout. I'll look into it thanks :thumbup:

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Have you tried smoking a shit ton of weed after the trip is all over?

Puts my ass right to sleep.

If your going for lsd visuals imo you are not going to be able to match it with another drug that isn't going to give you the same insomnia.




I used to smoke weed after every trip but it was honestly hit or miss if it would actually knock me out. Sometimes I would miss judge when to smoke it and it would give the LSD a little short boost.

I know it's a very controversial thing with people but I actually get most of my drugs from the darkweb. As long as you know what your doing it's pretty safe and not that difficult. I switched over about 2 years ago since I got tired of the bullshit weed that's grown in someones attic here in the UK. As long as you go about it the right way even if they intercept your package there's no evidence to say you purchased it, and since I only order domestically it doesn't even get checked. It allows me to be like a kid in a candy store rather than rely on whatever the shady dealer has available :grin:


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587234 - 08/28/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just started reading that lsd vs 2c-b thread so im sure you tired of arguing about this haha

But yea that's what I was kind of hoping for, my last two trips were dmt and a heavy penis envy trip so I've been sticking to the lighter side of psyches lately because those experiences were almost far too intense. It's been mostly mdma and lower dose lsd lately and I've read a lot of good things about it and am still excited to try it.

Either way I will absolutely agree mushrooms are a much more visual experience and the visuals seem to be more complex aswell, especially after enjoying some cannabis.

Maybe give mushrooms another try OP, or eat your  acid earlier in the day.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice] * 1
    #23587256 - 08/28/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ayahuasca :smile:


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Sabnock]
    #23587269 - 08/28/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dmt has much more intense visuals for me than anything else I've ever done. Mabye add a strong dose of MAOI and try to lengthen the trip


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23587273 - 08/28/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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MinnesnowtaNice said:
I just started reading that lsd vs 2c-b thread so im sure you tired of arguing about this haha

But yea that's what I was kind of hoping for, my last two trips were dmt and a heavy penis envy trip so I've been sticking to the lighter side of psyches lately because those experiences were almost far too intense. It's been mostly mdma and lower dose lsd lately and I've read a lot of good things about it and am still excited to try it.

Either way I will absolutely agree mushrooms are a much more visual experience and the visuals seem to be more complex aswell, especially after enjoying some cannabis.

Maybe give mushrooms another try OP, or eat your  acid earlier in the day.





The time of the day I took it wasn't a big issue for me as I feel like the first half of the trip is worth it. I just want to try something that's a bit shorter to see if it works out better.

I guess I should give shrooms another go. It just bugs me that for the price of one or two shroom trips I can have 5 LSD trips. That must be the tight fistedness of being Scottish in me.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23587287 - 08/28/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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MinnesnowtaNice said:
I just started reading that lsd vs 2c-b thread so im sure you tired of arguing about this haha
But yea that's what I was kind of hoping for, my last two trips were dmt and a heavy penis envy trip so I've been sticking to the lighter side of psyches lately because those experiences were almost far too intense. It's been mostly mdma and lower dose lsd lately and I've read a lot of good things about it and am still excited to try it.





Well if you've been expiring with MDMA and low doses of LSD I think 2C-B would be a great idea for you personally :thumbup:

It definitely the lighter less exotic side of psychedelics. LSD is like waking up to the dream that is reality and mushrooms are like a dramatic pulling back of the curtains behind reality; kind of like going to the control room similar to what I've heard from DMT.


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Wulver said: I don't mind a bit of insomnia as I always have some weed for the comedown, but the 16 hour trip LSD would give me can be a put off. I wonder if 4-aco-dmt is the same as 5-MeO-DMT then as I've seen that before.

4-aco-dmt sounds like a good shout. I'll look into it thanks




4-AcO-DMt is completely different from 5-MeO

4-AcO-DMT is basically just shrooms.
You can read the subjective effects section for each drug
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Psilocin

In fact I would use that^ website to see the subjective effects of ANY drug before you try it. Seriously that is the best site and you can even compare LSD to psilocin (shrooms) and see how they compare.

Seriously OP just go for mushrooms.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587316 - 08/28/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alright thanks everyone! :thumbup:

I've decided to give shrooms another go, will probably just got straight for a high dose since last time a standard dose was crap.

If I'm still not a fan I'll get my hands on some 4-AcO-DMT


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Wulver]
    #23587333 - 08/28/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A standard dose was crap? That's not a good sign man, if they're weak shrooms I wouldn't even fuck with them. What was the dose you took before? Mushrooms are a very powerful psychedelic so if a "standard" dose didn't do much then they're complete crap.
Taking a high dose of weak shrooms is not going to give you the real experience you need a modest dose of potent ones or you're not even touching hyperspace. Did you get the effects listed in the page?

If you can get 4-AcO-DMT you most definitely have the ability to get good quality shrooms man.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587356 - 08/28/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A standard dose was crap? That's not a good sign man, if they're weak shrooms I wouldn't even fuck with them. What was the dose you took before? Mushrooms are a very powerful psychedelic so if a "standard" dose didn't do much then they're complete crap.
Taking a high dose of weak shrooms is not going to give you the real experience you need a modest dose of potent ones or you're not even touching hyperspace. Did you get the effects listed in the page?

If you can get 4-AcO-DMT you most definitely have the ability to get good quality shrooms man.





I took 2g of liberty caps as I was told that was a standard dosage for that strain. Basically I was pretty happy and was enjoying bright vibrant colours, but coming from high dosage LSD trips that was pretty shit for me.

I get my stuff from the darkweb so I have a pretty big selection. It's just that I have no idea what to go for since there's different types. I'm currently looking at "Golden Teacher".


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: Wulver]
    #23587392 - 08/28/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Golden teachers were always my favorite and many people consider them very potent but "very potent" is average for me. Maybe it's because I grew up taking golden teachers but when it comes to the liberty caps 2 grams should have definitely done a lot more than that.

They must have just been weak unless you're one of those rare people who has a natural tolerance which I doubt. I'd say go for the teachers.


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Re: Alternative to LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23587398 - 08/28/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Golden teachers were always my favorite and many people consider them very potent but "very potent" is average for me. Maybe it's because I grew up taking golden teachers but when it comes to the liberty caps 2 grams should have definitely done a lot more than that.

They must have just been weak unless you're on of those rare people who has a natural tolerance which I doubt. I'd say go for the teachers.





I'll guess I'll see with these Golden Teachers then. What dosage would you recommend? I enjoy strong trips.


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