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Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma"
#23586858 - 08/28/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey you guys, peace be upon you.
I am just writing this because I was under the impression/idea (and many others are) that A. Muscaria was the literal flesh of God and the body of Christ Jesus was referring to which he broke at the Last Supper. They claim that when Jesus speaks of manna from heaven he is exclusively referring to this specific type of mushroom.
I think this idea is baffling and misleading. I think that amanita is a powerful entheogen that has divine characteristics, maybe even a precurser to the eucharist, but isn't the real thing. Jesus said the manna they ate in the wilderness was the "bread from heaven", but he said "they died". Jesus goes on to say I am the "true bread" that if you eat you live forever. This is all in John chapter 6.
Only reason I am making a big deal about this is that I was under the idea that Jesus was a mushroom, from what I was told and from the concepts of John M. Allegro and his book Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
People who purport this idea and others like it claim that Christianity was solely based the use of entheogenic substances or plants and even the worship of fertility. I just want to make it known that this is simply not true because I have experimented with amanitas and also with the eucharist in my Church and they are not the same, the one from the Church is the real bread from heaven, and Jesus is not a mushroom. The amanitas give you a sense of thoughtlessness, sleepyness, closed eye visuals, and sometimes ecstacy, or a feeling that you consumed fire (divine fire?), but they are nowhere on par with the pure love and joy of the holy eucharist that you can receive in my church. As it stands I do still believe that amanitas are of divine origin and may continue using them.
That is all. Lol
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
#23587214 - 08/28/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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your post is all over the place and makes little sense to me on many levels...lol
For one, there is no historical evidence whatsoever a Jesus of Nazareth existed
That 'Jesus' could--as Allegro reveals--have been a personification of a psychedelic fungi makes sense, because it tallies with other so-called mythological gods like Indra, Shiva, Krishna (check out Mike Crowley! I will link video of his talk below)
I have never tried the amanita mushroom myself, but have sought out trip reports of others who have, and it sounds hit and miss. NOTHING comparable to the amazing psilocybin mushrooms! So what is going on here?
Well, I have wondered about this. maybe IF that was their so-called holy mushroom they could have added other psychoactive ingredients to the mix. Also maybe the mushroom was more so a COVER for their use of psilocybin, and/or used as an archaic-mushroom because of its dramatic development, and appearance, and thus could create their myths secretly referring TO psychedelic fungi of ALL species
I cannot understand your great praise for the placebo Christian 'sacrament' thin wafers and thin wine...?? How the hell could that empty ritual compare with a magic mushroom trip?
Edited by zzripz (08/28/16 03:41 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: zzripz]
#23587237 - 08/28/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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fuck amanita muscaria i ate a small amount of the dried fungus once and all it did was give me immense shooting pains and made me vomit. They were clearly poisonous and had no beneficial qualities whatsoever.
the fact that people think its "soma" is just because of uninformed speculation of western scholars.
Edited by yogashaman21 (08/28/16 03:09 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: zzripz]
#23587320 - 08/28/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My church doesn't have thin wafers and wine it has the leavened bread put directly into the wine and its given to you in a chalice from a spoon. And how? I asked myself this too and its simply a mystery. In fact they call them Mysteries not Sacraments in my church.
Its a hit or miss depending how much you dose or how you perceive the experience. I think people who aren't mentally developed have a hard time with these mushrooms because they're not supposed to be "fun" but rather a teacher/healer. The difference with them and regular shrooms is the shrooms give you "knowledge" while amanitas give you "light". They make you think less to the point where you have no thoughts at all even. One thing I think was a really great thing about them since most of my mental issues come from thoughts.
You really can'compare the two they're total opposites of each other. I think both have the same potentials however I was told that amanita is the supreme entheogen, just because of the kind of mystical experiences you can have from them. Like I heard of people going into a "gold dimension". Also experiences of a hellish dimension are possible.
But yes sorry for the bad writing, I have brain fog from lack of sleep. lol
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: yogashaman21]
#23587344 - 08/28/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yogashaman21 said: fuck amanita muscaria i ate a small amount of the dried fungus once and all it did was give me immense shooting pains and made me vomit. They were clearly poisonous and had no beneficial qualities whatsoever.
the fact that people think its "soma" is just because of uninformed speculation of western scholars.
They're not poisonous if the proper drying/baking is done to them. And there are benefits to be had I you may have just taken too much at one time. And I agree I think too much folk lore has made this mushroom a thing of legend. From the way it looks to the stories of Santa Claus and the shamans of Siberia. If you take it with a sacramental mindset it can easily convince you that it is something of truly divine origin. Maybe that's just more of the myths about it making someone feel that way, I do not know. But someone I know speaks of it as the soma and supreme entheogen.
Feels either like you ate poison, or the fire of God - i.e something divine. I don't really want to get into the so called "Christian" ideas behind this mushroom because I'm honestly exhausted right now.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
#23587379 - 08/28/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpiritualWarrior said: Hey you guys, peace be upon you.
I am just writing this because I was under the impression/idea (and many others are) that A. Muscaria was the literal flesh of God and the body of Christ Jesus was referring to which he broke at the Last Supper. They claim that when Jesus speaks of manna from heaven he is exclusively referring to this specific type of mushroom.
I think this idea is baffling and misleading. I think that amanita is a powerful entheogen that has divine characteristics, maybe even a precurser to the eucharist, but isn't the real thing. Jesus said the manna they ate in the wilderness was the "bread from heaven", but he said "they died". Jesus goes on to say I am the "true bread" that if you eat you live forever. This is all in John chapter 6.
Only reason I am making a big deal about this is that I was under the idea that Jesus was a mushroom, from what I was told and from the concepts of John M. Allegro and his book Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
People who purport this idea and others like it claim that Christianity was solely based the use of entheogenic substances or plants and even the worship of fertility. I just want to make it known that this is simply not true because I have experimented with amani tas and also with the eucharist in my Church and they are not the same, the one from the Church is the real bread from heaven, and Jesus is not a mushroom. The amani tas give you a sense of thoughtlessness, sleepyness, closed eye visuals, and sometimes ecstacy, or a feeling that you consumed fire (divine fire?), but they are nowhere on par with the pure love and joy of the holy eucharist that you can receive in my church. As it stands I do still believe that amanitas are of divine origin and may continue using them.
That is all. Lol
I have never claimed Jesus was a Mushroom or ever was, but to me it is more spiritual than any bread from any church has been to me. The outdoors is my Church so my bread is from my Church see. You all this information could be misleading to some of us & is. I go from what the Devine tells me not what other people say so... With that said if any of you question these claims please try it for yourself. Also when using Amanita Muscaria remember not to ever do much accept microdose unlike our friend here has done obviously. God & Jesus Live forever in everything they want believe it or not! Peace & Love
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: yogashaman21]
#23587384 - 08/28/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yogashaman21 said: fuck amanita muscaria i ate a small amount of the dried fungus once and all it did was give me immense shooting pains and made me vomit. They were clearly poisonous and had no beneficial qualities whatsoever.
the fact that people think its "soma" is just because of uninformed speculation of western scholars.
You must have had the wrong ones. Did you heat them properly in the oven to convert into the good stuff? You know they say some can't even feel them anyhow, they are blocked somehow I don't know. Kinda weird & I did not feel them the first 3 or times either when I was looking for some sort of high instead of just accepting whatever happens. Peace
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: zzripz]
#23587420 - 08/28/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zzripz said: your post is all over the place and makes little sense to me on many levels...lol
For one, there is no historical evidence whatsoever a Jesus of Nazareth existed
That 'Jesus' could--as Allegro reveals--have been a personification of a psychedelic fungi makes sense, because it tallies with other so-called mythological gods like Indra, Shiva, Krishna (check out Mike Crowley! I will link video of his talk below)
I have never tried the amanita mushroom myself, but have sought out trip reports of others who have, and it sounds hit and miss. NOTHING comparable to the amazing psilocybin mushrooms! So what is going on here?
Well, I have wondered about this. maybe IF that was their so-called holy mushroom they could have added other psychoactive ingredients to the mix. Also maybe the mushroom was more so a COVER for their use of psilocybin, and/or used as an archaic-mushroom because of its dramatic development, and appearance, and thus could create their myths secretly referring TO psychedelic fungi of ALL species
I cannot understand your great praise for the placebo Christian 'sacrament' thin wafers and thin wine...?? How the hell could that empty ritual compare with a magic mushroom trip?
Yes I believe that is could have been all of them, but I was told by the Divine that I had the Manna at one point. I had several different kinds at the time. This was right before the time I was reborn & yes if some of us did really know certain things they did not want everyone knowing. You know like a "Secret". They would get in trouble by the Divine for posting it even. Have any of you ever thought of that. Well, I'm just a simple 'ole soul so what do I know.(lol) Peace & Love
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Edited by majicman30 (08/28/16 04:12 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: majicman30]
#23587527 - 08/28/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpiritualWarrior said: Hey you guys, peace be upon you.
I am just writing this because I was under the impression/idea (and many others are) that A. Muscaria was the literal flesh of God and the body of Christ Jesus was referring to which he broke at the Last Supper. They claim that when Jesus speaks of manna from heaven he is exclusively referring to this specific type of mushroom.
I think this idea is baffling and misleading. I think that amanita is a powerful entheogen that has divine characteristics, maybe even a precurser to the eucharist, but isn't the real thing. Jesus said the manna they ate in the wilderness was the "bread from heaven", but he said "they died". Jesus goes on to say I am the "true bread" that if you eat you live forever. This is all in John chapter 6.
Only reason I am making a big deal about this is that I was under the idea that Jesus was a mushroom, from what I was told and from the concepts of John M. Allegro and his book Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
People who purport this idea and others like it claim that Christianity was solely based the use of entheogenic substances or plants and even the worship of fertility. I just want to make it known that this is simply not true because I have experimented with amani tas and also with the eucharist in my Church and they are not the same, the one from the Church is the real bread from heaven, and Jesus is not a mushroom. The amani tas give you a sense of thoughtlessness, sleepyness, closed eye visuals, and sometimes ecstacy, or a feeling that you consumed fire (divine fire?), but they are nowhere on par with the pure love and joy of the holy eucharist that you can receive in my church. As it stands I do still believe that amanitas are of divine origin and may continue using them.
That is all. Lol
I have never claimed Jesus was a Mushroom or ever was, but to me it is more spiritual than any bread from any church has been to me. The outdoors is my Church so my bread is from my Church see. You all this information could be misleading to some of us & is. I go from what the Devine tells me not what other people say so... With that said if any of you question these claims please try it for yourself. Also when using Amanita Muscaria remember not to ever do much accept microdose unlike our friend here has done obviously. God & Jesus Live forever in everything they want believe it or not! Peace & Love
I find a problem is seeing nature as my Church and using shrooms and believing they are God. The problem? It just doesn't feel human. Christianity connects me to something human, Jesus as a real person, as true love, the saints, and congregation. I just can't see myself living forever with trees and birds . Might be fun tho.
Edited by SpiritualWarrior (08/28/16 04:41 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: zzripz]
#23588066 - 08/28/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zzripz said: your post is all over the place and makes little sense to me on many levels...lol
For one, there is no historical evidence whatsoever a Jesus of Nazareth existed
That 'Jesus' could--as Allegro reveals--have been a personification of a psychedelic fungi makes sense, because it tallies with other so-called mythological gods like Indra, Shiva, Krishna (check out Mike Crowley! I will link video of his talk below)
I have never tried the amanita mushroom myself, but have sought out trip reports of others who have, and it sounds hit and miss. NOTHING comparable to the amazing psilocybin mushrooms! So what is going on here?
Well, I have wondered about this. maybe IF that was their so-called holy mushroom they could have added other psychoactive ingredients to the mix. Also maybe the mushroom was more so a COVER for their use of psilocybin, and/or used as an archaic-mushroom because of its dramatic development, and appearance, and thus could create their myths secretly referring TO psychedelic fungi of ALL species
I cannot understand your great praise for the placebo Christian 'sacrament' thin wafers and thin wine...?? How the hell could that empty ritual compare with a magic mushroom trip?
You must try the real thing zzrips, amanita is every bit as divine and mind expanding as psilocybin. It's hit and miss because people don't know how to use it. It's not an instant trip like psilocybin, you have to start small. This mushroom doesn't yield its secrets as easily as most entheogens, especially not to the unworthy.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
#23588115 - 08/28/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes I also need human interaction sometimes too, but less so than others. You are right about the mushrooms though. In this world of our these days pych mushrooms will always have a bad name & are definitely bad if misused. I just am trying to come to an reconcile within myself for this. I know that the Ananitas are the better of the 2(psillys & amanitas). I have to tell you I have had God told me to throw them all away before & I did. But later was told they weren't really bad I was wanting them to get high or sell , so I was not ready. The mushrooms weren't evil. Me misusing them & not really understanding them is what was evil. Evil come from within ourselves & our own manifestation. So you think Amanitas are worse for you than Psillys , huh,or not? I don't. I was also told that it was evil & quit using them for microdosing even. I then slipped back into the darkness & faded from God, and then a voice said eat another piece of Amanita it is not bad you are being tricked. How could second guess me when I have already told you! I don't know they are either , but after that I seemed to be really be in control of my life , have incredible balance, & even Psychic ability. Yes I know everyone claims to have it but when you can pick someone's card out of a 52 card deck 5 out of 6 times then something weird is going on, I dunno. Either way. I am on your side about everything believe or not & no one should try to use Amanita to just "Get High". I don't claim to know any facts, but just have my openion. That's it. Peace & Love
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: majicman30]
#23588179 - 08/28/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I have wondered about this. maybe IF that was their so-called holy mushroom they could have added other psychoactive ingredients to the mix. Also maybe the mushroom was more so a COVER for their use of psilocybin, and/or used as an archaic-mushroom because of its dramatic development, and appearance, and thus could create their myths secretly referring TO psychedelic fungi of ALL species
There is no way that it was a cover for psilocyin, thats ridiculous and you would know that if you were experienced with amanita.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Myths: Not The Holy Sacrament "Soma" [Re: Peyote Road]
#23588187 - 08/28/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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