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Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help
#23586517 - 08/28/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello. I have two different monotubs that I put 5 pounds of casing (bought from a popular online grow kit seller) each in, mixed together with my fully colonized spawn bags, and put a casing layer over the mixed spawn/casing, as I was instructed to by the company that I bought my supplies from. This was done three days ago. However, one is doing better than the other. I will describe the conditions for each monotub below.
Monotub A - blue opaque plastic bin Strain - PES Amazonian Spawn material - 2x5 pound grain spawn bags, inoculated with 5cc of spore solution each FAE - 4x1 inch holes, Poly-Fil in holes, secured with micropore tape, aquarium air pump with humidifier that comes on at 7AM and 7PM for 1 hour each time Misted 1-2 times daily, as needed to maintain droplets on sides of monotub, and a moistened surface for mycelium to colonize. Also covered the top with cling wrap to maintain humidity and still look at the progress Mycelium is appearing everywhere, gradually getting closer to the center of the center of the monotub every day
Monotub B - clear translucent plastic bin with white opaque lid Strain - PF Classic Spawn material - 1x5 pound grain spawn bag, inoculated with 10cc of spore solution FAE - Aquarium air pump that comes on at 7AM and 7PM for 1 hour each time (no holes in bin) Misted 1-2 times daily, as needed to maintain droplets on sides of monotub, and a moistened surface for mycelium to colonize Mycelium is patchy, barely visible. Still being colonized, but not at all like the other bin
Am I doing something wrong here, or am I just being impatient with Monotub B since Monotub A is doing so much better? Should I do something different with Monotub B to help it along? Any help with this would be much appreciated 
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586591 - 08/28/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why is there an aquarium pump and humidifier in there? And why are you misting?
Stop it
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586604 - 08/28/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For future grows try to stay away from kits most of them are a rip off and you could buy all the materials needed separately for way cheaper. also there should be holes made in both your monotubs and they shouldn't need any misting/airpumps/humidifiers. The design of the monotub should allow the walls to stay moist without any misting thru at least the first flush. What size are your tubs? How long ago did you spawn? Also the substrate seems to be a bit uneven. try to level it out better next time.
check out this link I followed it down to every step pretty much to get my first monotub success.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Nobler Hino]
#23586638 - 08/28/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know that now, most of this stuff could be bought at a dollar store. I'm just doing what the company told me to in their instructions now. I read that I'm supposed to mist the inside of the bin at least once a day in a book about making a monotub, too. Am I screwing things up by misting? And I may have just taken the picture at a weird angle and it looks uneven. I took a couple of minutes to get it right, but it may not be perfect. I didn't use a bubble level or anything like that. Maybe I'll do that next time.
The blue tub is 20.6"x15.9"x11.375", 37.8L capacity The clear tub is 18"x12"x11.5", 28L capacity
Should I cut holes in the clear bin? Is that the best solution to help it do better?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586686 - 08/28/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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IMO the instructions they sent you are probably boo boo. And I could be mistaken here but I think most books that describe how to make a monotub are a little bit outdated. If the walls are drying up between your checks then I guess you should mist them but if things are going well the walls will not be dry at all. I noticed you mentioning clingwrap as a lid I think? If I read that properly you should just be using the lid from the bin no makeshift lids. Also I think that if you already spawned it is too late to make holes. As far as the evenness of the substrate its probably just the angle of the photo making it seem uneven 
I spawned a 66qt tub 5 days ago and here is what mine looks like so far https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23573165
the tub with holes might be able to make you some shrooms but I'm not sure about the other one. Maybe someone with more experience can give you advice there.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
#23586738 - 08/28/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a nice grow. My progress looks somewhat similar to yours, at least in the blue bin. I have an opaque blue lid on the blue bin, but the cling wrap just serves the purpose of keeping the humidity in when I'll eventually have to take the lid off so the inside can be exposed to light 12 hours a day. I can cut holes in the clear bin if I haven't managed to fubar the mycelium already. I know that it will be a royal pain in the posterior to do it now, but I have nothing else to do today, it's my day off. Should I go for it?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586786 - 08/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you think that you can get holes in the tub without getting plastic on your substrate I guess give it a try but I personally wouldn't lol. Lack of holes isn't the reason that the clear tub is under preforming. During colonization holes should be taped off anyways. It will just be a problem trying to fruit that thing with no holes for FAE. The blue tub could be moving quicker for any number of reasons really. could simply be that the myc is more aggressive than the myc in the other tub. The first thing you need to do is ditch the pumps and humidifiers.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
#23586835 - 08/28/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You used twice as much spawn in the faster tub....stop misting get the humidifiers out n gl.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
#23586869 - 08/28/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Understood. I'll keep the air pumps and humidifiers out of the grow from now on. I think that I can make the holes with a box knife without making a mess of the plastic. I'll do whatever I can to salvage the tub. Now, I've heard conflicting information on if I'm supposed to keep the bins in the dark, and I wanted to ask the professionals if it makes a difference or not while colonizing is taking place. Should I wrap the clear bin in a black garbage bag or something like that?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586889 - 08/28/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Light is fine give it ambient lighting during colonizing
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
#23586924 - 08/28/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay. So it won't mess anything up if there's a small amount of light? I have a light bulb on a timer set up for when colonization is done. The book I have, "Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide" was written in 2015, too. It makes me wonder, why would they tell me to do things that aren't necessary, or could even be harmful? Do they want me to screw up so I'll buy more books?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586926 - 08/28/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They lack knowledge its been well known for years that light is beneficial at all stages of growth.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
#23586955 - 08/28/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's lame. I trusted that book. I'll just trust the people who know what they're doing from now on. So I should use my timer setup and put the lights on 12/12 right now?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23586976 - 08/28/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No that will be for fruiting, ambient lighting is just dimmer light so o speak...if you can see it thats ambient, then use direct intense lighting at fruiting
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23587146 - 08/28/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will do. Thanks for all the help
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23587208 - 08/28/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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partyboy420247 said: That's lame. I trusted that book. I'll just trust the people who know what they're doing from now on.
Good call. That book doesn't have any text within itself that can argue the other side, like most books.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23587782 - 08/28/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay. I knew something was off. I should have known that it had to do with FAE. I cut the holes in the bin, stuffed them with Poly-Fil, secured the Poly-Fil with micropore tape, and then secured the micropore tape with duct tape at the ends, since getting the micropore tape was such a pain to secure and kept coming off. Here's a picture.

Do you think that there's still hope for my clear bin? Should I just keep an eye on it and cross my fingers?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598309 - 08/31/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: Cutting the holes in the clear bin did a lot of good. The mycelium is colonizing it just fine, but a little slower because I used less grain spawn than the blue bin. Here's some updated pictures. I hope that someone can let me know what they think of my progress 
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598630 - 08/31/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
partyboy420247 said: Update: Cutting the holes in the clear bin did a lot of good. The mycelium is colonizing it just fine, but a little slower because I used less grain spawn than the blue bin. Here's some updated pictures. I hope that someone can let me know what they think of my progress 

I'm not an expert or anything but they look a bit bacterial maybe. Especially the blue one.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
#23598700 - 08/31/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's mostly the bad camera angle combined with bad CFL lighting, but there is a very small area in the blue bin that is turning a yellowish-tinted color. I had assumed that it was just because it was very wet in that area, and water tends to bead and stay there, but now I'm panicking. Here's a picture.

What should I do to salvage my bin?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
#23598703 - 08/31/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree looks bacterial to me too.....especially the blue tub
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Leftfield420]
#23598760 - 08/31/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The blue one is a bit bacterial yeah. Panicking is a bit of an overreaction though.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598803 - 08/31/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't think it was bacterial because of the yellow spot it's because it looks super white and wet or "ice creamy"
But don't go into panick mode I believe it can still pump out some shrooms even tho it's a bit bacterial just keep an eye on it.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598835 - 08/31/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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As I mentioned, that yellow color/tint in these cell phone pictures, except for what I took a close-up of, was caused by the crappy CFL that I used for lighting for this quick picture. The rest of the substrate has nice, white, slightly puffy looking mycelium like I've seen in healthy example pictures. It looks a lot like this thing that I just came across. Someone had similar conditions to mine, and the yellowing was caused by something called "mycelium piss", an excess concentration of metabolites generated when the mycelium is fighting off contaminants. That would explain the drop of water that sat there for days, only now getting to the point where I noticed with daily checks of about 15 seconds each. Should I scoop out that spot with a sterilized spoon, or just dab it off with a paper towel? Or should I just keep my hands off of it?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598841 - 08/31/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a healthy example picture showed you puffy ice cream looking mycelium as being healthy then I'm afraid you've been misled. It may go on to produce, but there will inevitably be a big hit to the yield. Yours isn't that bad but, there is definitely something fucky going on in there.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598855 - 08/31/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Should I try to fruit as soon as possible, then?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598862 - 08/31/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's definitely been ready for fruiting for a bit by now.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598871 - 08/31/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i thought they were in fruiting conditions..
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598878 - 08/31/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll start fruiting immediately. Is that possibly why my mycelium is like that? Is it overgrown because I waited too long? And would that be a yes or no on scooping out the yellow area with a spoon? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just sitting here wondering what I can do to fix this
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598889 - 08/31/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wouldnt scoop it imo. you dont want this(even though this is a casing but point is valid)

the shrooms you do want.. but not a torn up sub.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: mushboy]
#23598913 - 08/31/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I scoop it, it's going to look like that? Alright. I dabbed it up with a paper towel. It was only slightly yellow on the paper towel. I'll put cling wrap on the top again since I took it off before for more FAE, so I don't contaminate it anymore. I'll put the timer for the light on 12/12, too. Is there anything else I can do to make this situation better?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23598962 - 08/31/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What?? Cling wrap? Why would you put that back on? Why would you ever put it on at all? I don't even.... what....
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598981 - 08/31/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bin is opaque. I need to get light to the mycelium, right? Do I just leave it totally uncovered? I thought that it could get contaminated that way. I'm confused
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Inocuole]
#23598985 - 08/31/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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a mono tub should have large holes in the tub at sub level.. can you take a better pic of your tubs?
ive done alot of newbie shit with my grows but cling wrap is a new one to me.. what tek you use for the tub?
also the less you fuck with it the better. IME the more i messed with it.. the more i fucked it up.
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partyboy420247 said: The bin is opaque. I need to get light to the mycelium, right? Do I just leave it totally uncovered? I thought that it could get contaminated that way. I'm confused 
ahh i get you. some people cut a rectangular hole in the lid and tape something clear(i guess clingwrap) to it to make a 'lid' like a window. i prefer to use clear tubs w/clear lids.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23599004 - 08/31/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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partyboy420247 said: The bin is opaque. I need to get light to the mycelium, right? Do I just leave it totally uncovered? I thought that it could get contaminated that way. I'm confused 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
If you thought exposing colonized substrate to open air would contaminate it then you should really go over ALL the basics, there's no telling what else you're missing.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: mushboy]
#23599018 - 08/31/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The holes are 3-4 inches above the substrate. Here's a picture of the outside.

I used information that I got from the company to conduct this little experiment. I'll just leave the lid off and stop screwing around with it, I guess.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23599032 - 08/31/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont get discouraged bro. my first grows were brutal but i learned a lot and still got fruits so it was worth it. read. learn. improve. repeat.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: mushboy]
#23599051 - 08/31/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you. I've been putting a lot of effort into not screwing this whole thing up, and it is pretty discouraging to get this far into it and screw it all up like I was being reckless or something. I'm doing my best to be patient and to not rush things. I'll keep the lid off and run the timer for the lights on a 12/12 schedule and cross my fingers.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23599085 - 08/31/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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whenever i start a new grow or new tek i always stick with a basic grow while i tinker. like right now i got 8 pints about to be spawned to coir(first timers should really stick with cakes unless you are just that awesome) while i do agar plates and g2g with a massive amount of qt jars.
that way no matter how bad i fuck up i always have a 'basic' run going. the first tub i did gave barely half oz dry before it got fucked up/i fucked it up.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23599096 - 08/31/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check out Frank's dialing in your Monotub like a boss thread here to help you get some fruits out of your current grow
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
And I personally would recommend studying Frank's 12 steps to shrooms religiously and following every step exactly how he explains when you are ready for another attempt. That is the thread that really helped me wrap my head around the process and end up with the couple of successful grows I've done so far.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
#23609126 - 09/03/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: I got home after work today and checked on my monotubs. I noticed a very tiny shroom growing on the edge of the bin, and since it wasn't in a very good place anyway, and I wanted a picture, I decided to pick it. Is this a sign that I'm going to wake up to a bunch of pins soon?
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
#23609407 - 09/03/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most likely. Do you see little white bumps and protrusions all over the sub? Those would be hyphal knots. The ones with brownish or gold heads are pins.
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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Mushierage]
#23609719 - 09/03/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, there's a bunch of them all over. I'll check it out in the morning and post if anything starts to happen
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