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Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help
    #23586517 - 08/28/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello. I have two different monotubs that I put 5 pounds of casing (bought from a popular online grow kit seller) each in, mixed together with my fully colonized spawn bags, and put a casing layer over the mixed spawn/casing, as I was instructed to by the company that I bought my supplies from. This was done three days ago. However, one is doing better than the other. I will describe the conditions for each monotub below.

Monotub A - blue opaque plastic bin
Strain - PES Amazonian
Spawn material - 2x5 pound grain spawn bags, inoculated with 5cc of spore solution each
FAE - 4x1 inch holes, Poly-Fil in holes, secured with micropore tape, aquarium air pump with humidifier that comes on at 7AM and 7PM for 1 hour each time
Misted 1-2 times daily, as needed to maintain droplets on sides of monotub, and a moistened surface for mycelium to colonize. Also covered the top with cling wrap to maintain humidity and still look at the progress
Mycelium is appearing everywhere, gradually getting closer to the center of the center of the monotub every day

Monotub B - clear translucent plastic bin with white opaque lid
Strain - PF Classic
Spawn material - 1x5 pound grain spawn bag, inoculated with 10cc of spore solution
FAE - Aquarium air pump that comes on at 7AM and 7PM for 1 hour each time (no holes in bin)
Misted 1-2 times daily, as needed to maintain droplets on sides of monotub, and a moistened surface for mycelium to colonize
Mycelium is patchy, barely visible. Still being colonized, but not at all like the other bin

Am I doing something wrong here, or am I just being impatient with Monotub B since Monotub A is doing so much better? Should I do something different with Monotub B to help it along? Any help with this would be much appreciated :smile:



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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586591 - 08/28/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why is there an aquarium pump and humidifier in there? And why are you misting?

Stop it


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586604 - 08/28/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For future grows try to stay away from kits most of them are a rip off and you could buy all the materials needed separately for way cheaper. also there should be holes made in both your monotubs and they shouldn't need any misting/airpumps/humidifiers. The design of the monotub should allow the walls to stay moist without any misting thru at least the first flush. What size are your tubs? How long ago did you spawn? Also the substrate seems to be a bit uneven. try to level it out better next time.

check out this link I followed it down to every step pretty much to get my first monotub success.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #23586638 - 08/28/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know that now, most of this stuff could be bought at a dollar store. I'm just doing what the company told me to in their instructions now. I read that I'm supposed to mist the inside of the bin at least once a day in a book about making a monotub, too. Am I screwing things up by misting? And I may have just taken the picture at a weird angle and it looks uneven. I took a couple of minutes to get it right, but it may not be perfect. I didn't use a bubble level or anything like that. Maybe I'll do that next time.

The blue tub is 20.6"x15.9"x11.375", 37.8L capacity
The clear tub is 18"x12"x11.5", 28L capacity

Should I cut holes in the clear bin? Is that the best solution to help it do better?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586686 - 08/28/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

IMO the instructions they sent you are probably boo boo. And I could be mistaken here but I think most books that describe how to make a monotub are a little bit outdated. If the walls are drying up between your checks then I guess you should mist them but if things are going well the walls will not be dry at all. I noticed you mentioning clingwrap as a lid I think? If I read that properly you should just be using the lid from the bin no makeshift lids. Also I think that if you already spawned it is too late to make holes. As far as the evenness of the substrate its probably just the angle of the photo making it seem uneven :rofl:

I spawned a 66qt tub 5 days ago and here is what mine looks like so far
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23573165

the tub with holes might be able to make you some shrooms but I'm not sure about the other one. Maybe someone with more experience can give you advice there.


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
    #23586738 - 08/28/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's a nice grow. My progress looks somewhat similar to yours, at least in the blue bin. I have an opaque blue lid on the blue bin, but the cling wrap just serves the purpose of keeping the humidity in when I'll eventually have to take the lid off so the inside can be exposed to light 12 hours a day. I can cut holes in the clear bin if I haven't managed to fubar the mycelium already. I know that it will be a royal pain in the posterior to do it now, but I have nothing else to do today, it's my day off. Should I go for it?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586786 - 08/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you think that you can get holes in the tub without getting plastic on your substrate I guess give it a try but I personally wouldn't lol. Lack of holes isn't the reason that the clear tub is under preforming. During colonization holes should be taped off anyways. It will just be a problem trying to fruit that thing with no holes for FAE. The blue tub could be moving quicker for any number of reasons really. could simply be that the myc is more aggressive than the myc in the other tub. The first thing you need to do is ditch the pumps and humidifiers.


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
    #23586835 - 08/28/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You used twice as much spawn in the faster tub....stop misting get the humidifiers out n gl.


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
    #23586869 - 08/28/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Understood. I'll keep the air pumps and humidifiers out of the grow from now on. I think that I can make the holes with a box knife without making a mess of the plastic. I'll do whatever I can to salvage the tub. Now, I've heard conflicting information on if I'm supposed to keep the bins in the dark, and I wanted to ask the professionals if it makes a difference or not while colonizing is taking place. Should I wrap the clear bin in a black garbage bag or something like that?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586889 - 08/28/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Light is fine give it ambient lighting during colonizing


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
    #23586924 - 08/28/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay. So it won't mess anything up if there's a small amount of light? I have a light bulb on a timer set up for when colonization is done. The book I have, "Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide" was written in 2015, too. It makes me wonder, why would they tell me to do things that aren't necessary, or could even be harmful? Do they want me to screw up so I'll buy more books?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586926 - 08/28/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They lack knowledge:shrug: its been well known for years that light is beneficial at all stages of growth.


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: cronicr]
    #23586955 - 08/28/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's lame. I trusted that book. I'll just trust the people who know what they're doing from now on. So I should use my timer setup and put the lights on 12/12 right now?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23586976 - 08/28/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No that will be for fruiting, ambient lighting is just dimmer light so o speak...if you can see it thats ambient, then use direct intense lighting at fruiting


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23587146 - 08/28/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Will do. Thanks for all the help :smile:


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23587208 - 08/28/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That's lame. I trusted that book. I'll just trust the people who know what they're doing from now on.




Good call.  That book doesn't have any text within itself that can argue the other side, like most books.  :shrug:


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23587782 - 08/28/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay. I knew something was off. I should have known that it had to do with FAE. I cut the holes in the bin, stuffed them with Poly-Fil, secured the Poly-Fil with micropore tape, and then secured the micropore tape with duct tape at the ends, since getting the micropore tape was such a pain to secure and kept coming off. Here's a picture.



Do you think that there's still hope for my clear bin? Should I just keep an eye on it and cross my fingers?


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23598309 - 08/31/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Update:
Cutting the holes in the clear bin did a lot of good. The mycelium is colonizing it just fine, but a little slower because I used less grain spawn than the blue bin. Here's some updated pictures. I hope that someone can let me know what they think of my progress :smile:



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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: partyboy420247]
    #23598630 - 08/31/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Update:
Cutting the holes in the clear bin did a lot of good. The mycelium is colonizing it just fine, but a little slower because I used less grain spawn than the blue bin. Here's some updated pictures. I hope that someone can let me know what they think of my progress :smile:






I'm not an expert or anything but they look a bit bacterial maybe. Especially the blue one.


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Re: Monotub tek spawning to bulk - need help [Re: EasyMac]
    #23598700 - 08/31/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's mostly the bad camera angle combined with bad CFL lighting, but there is a very small area in the blue bin that is turning a yellowish-tinted color. I had assumed that it was just because it was very wet in that area, and water tends to bead and stay there, but now I'm panicking. Here's a picture.



What should I do to salvage my bin? :frown:


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