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AgarStudent
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Roger Rabbits Book 1
#23585900 - 08/28/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Guys,
Looking for a highly detailed scerlotia cultivation guide and figure that the best info available must be in RR's book. Has anyone had luck buying it on scribd or is this a scam?
I would rather have a book to refer to, rather than ask a bunch of questions that have already been asked!
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FuckIDK


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RR has a book? I thought he only had let's grow mushrooms videos.
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: FuckIDK]
#23586103 - 08/28/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's no good cultivation books anyway. There's some OK ones most are dated and none of them have good fruiting methods for cubensis
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Inocuole
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And none of them include brutal peer review within their own pages.
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concretelush
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Pretty much all of rogers cultivation notes are here on the shroomery. I think there is a thread that compiles most of them together but i cant seem to find it right now. Just use the search bar it should answer most of your questions with a little reading. No need to buy a book.
and if your looking for psychedelic scerlotia tek try https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649
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That thread with RR quotes is 50% out of context and 10-15% outdated. Maybe outdated is the wrong word, but definitely since-improved-upon.
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AgarStudent
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: Inocuole]
#23586148 - 08/28/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is an excellent tek! Thank you for the link. I think the issue is grain prep and not fully boing the grains for ten minutes? Those grains in that tek look well fluffed-out and nicely hydrated. Oh well, time to ditch a few jars
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Inocuole
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Maybe try a different grain or a different source for your grain, as well. Grain prep is all generally pretty simple but you may find another that you haven't tried more simplistic to prep, or at least easier to read the signs for.
I haven't used rye in years. In fact, I haven't used rye since before I switched to agar, that's wild... Anyway, wheat, oats, millet, milo, wbs, all different experiences. There's somebody out there who'll swear by each of them exclusively for different reasons.
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: Inocuole]
#23586274 - 08/28/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: That thread with RR quotes is 50% out of context and 10-15% outdated. Maybe outdated is the wrong word, but definitely since-improved-upon.
My bad i was unaware, i am still a scrub.
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AgarStudent said: Hi Guys,
Looking for a highly detailed scerlotia cultivation guide and figure that the best info available must be in RR's book.
Reading his posts RR recommends rye grain (not rye grass seed) which is soaked in coffee and has a bit of gypsum, and prefers grains a little on the dry side. He said popcorn is the worst grain to use.
Other posters would go for wetter grains, so it has a decent water supply. Some commercial growers in holland apparently still use rye grass seed, another large company uses rye grain.
Checking again RR was saying drier grains for large filter bags, Stamets also recommends a lot less water for grain spawn in large bags.
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Whereas the percentage of moisture content can be nearly 60% in a small spawn jar, a large container will have a moisture content of only 40%.Anaerobic environments are encouraged with larger masses of grain, a phenomenon which necessitates a drier medium and extended exposure to pressurized steam
There is a book dedicated to sclerotia growing, not sure if there would be anything in it that is not mentioned elsewhere. Its called "The golden doorknob" by Stephen L. Peele from 2001.
Sporeworks used to sell a "philosophers bag" years ago, which was meant to be the consistency of modelling clay and mostly comprising of rice. Which would suggest they found a higher water content beneficial. I wondered about adding water during the grow as the grains dry out, some said it could be beneficial.
I would like to see a lot more testing of growing sclerotia on a coir/grain mix. I had rice that grew no stones but added to coir it did, and was very resistant to contams, being opened and sprayed and fanned a lot.
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AgarStudent
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concretelush said:
and if your looking for psychedelic scerlotia tek try https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649
Now I have had another readover of the tek and the author seems to be saying that if you are going to fruit these then to use a casing layer. I got that bit, but -
Previously I have just used the 50/50 Coir/Vermiculite tek to fruit cubes with an inch or so of casing on the top.
Do you think the author means to just follow the fruiting tek like you would with cubes.. That is mix in the spawn with coco/verm and pop a casing on the top and let it colonise?
The same author also says that the vermiculite is an optional 'non food grade' ingredient. Does that mean vermiculite in a galindoi fruit setup is dispensable and one can do it with just coco coir alone or is it needed for hydration?
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: blackout]
#23586365 - 08/28/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tip on the book.. I will have to check that one out
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concretelush
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I've heard Quote:
AgarStudent said:
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concretelush said:
and if your looking for psychedelic scerlotia tek try https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17910649
Now I have had another readover of the tek and the author seems to be saying that if you are going to fruit these then to use a casing layer. I got that bit, but -
Previously I have just used the 50/50 Coir/Vermiculite tek to fruit cubes with an inch or so of casing on the top.
Do you think the author means to just follow the fruiting tek like you would with cubes.. That is mix in the spawn with coco/verm and pop a casing on the top and let it colonise?
The same author also says that the vermiculite is an optional 'non food grade' ingredient. Does that mean vermiculite in a galindoi fruit setup is dispensable and one can do it with just coco coir alone or is it needed for hydration?
I think just the verm would be better than the coir and verm. Peat moss and verm with ph buffer would be better but if your going for prints i think just verm will get you there just fine. But i am just a beginner so take my advice with a grain of salt.
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AgarStudent said:
Previously I have just used the 50/50 Coir/Vermiculite tek to fruit cubes with an inch or so of casing on the top.
There is no such tek. The Damion5050 coir tek calls for about 80/20 coir/verm. Verm holds more water than anything else that we can use in a substrate, so it's fairly indispensable.
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concretelush said: I think just the verm would be better than the coir and verm. Peat moss and verm with ph buffer would be better but if your going for prints i think just verm will get you there just fine. But i am just a beginner so take my advice with a grain of salt.
If you're talking about bulk substrate here, then I'm afraid you've lost your mind. Coir/verm is way better than verm by itself for the purpose of a bulk sub. I'm sure some would argue the same for casing layers, but that's on a... wait for it... case by case basis.
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: Inocuole]
#23586900 - 08/28/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The m6shroom growers hand book is in gourmet but as said id suggest stonesuns guides
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Re: Roger Rabbits Book [Re: Inocuole]
#23586932 - 08/28/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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concretelush said: I think just the verm would be better than the coir and verm. Peat moss and verm with ph buffer would be better but if your going for prints i think just verm will get you there just fine. But i am just a beginner so take my advice with a grain of salt.
If you're talking about bulk substrate here, then I'm afraid you've lost your mind. Coir/verm is way better than verm by itself for the purpose of a bulk sub. I'm sure some would argue the same for casing layers, but that's on a... wait for it... case by case basis.
sorry i need to be more specific, i was just talking about the casing. In the truffle tek thread the op fruited them directly from the grain with a casing, no bulk sub. But i believe they were just fruiting for spore prints and not big fruits. so case by case basis.
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AgarStudent
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Thanks for the link to Stonesuns guide. This is pretty comprehensive and up-to-date and a great contribution from the author. I have never seen a better guide.
It makes it so much easier as a reference, rather than running into one blunder after the next and posting too many questions!
The handbook should come in pretty awesome too.
Cheers
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Tagging for the links.
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