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Pandemoon
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Cactus tar rectally
#23582122 - 08/26/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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//note: If you think plugging drugs is bonkers this might be your opinion. Read up about taking drugs rectally, you might change your point of view. It's not bonkers and I'm serious.  -
Hi folks,
so I made me a batch of quite strong cactus tar (used water), tried a dose two days ago and had a nice trip, but the worst nausea ever.
To avoid this fierce nausea I really think about plugging the tar next time. I read a few first hand reports about dosing redissolved mescaline HCl rectally with great success. By this ROA the effects start earlier, are more intense and there's less nausea. 200mg rectally are said to feel like 400mg orally. But what about tar? A dose is about the size of a small finger, so it would be easy to plug.
Any first hand experiences with dosing tar rectally? I would just try it then, same dose as before, different ROA. There's this nice music festival right in my neighbourhood next week..
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: Pandemoon]
#23584050 - 08/27/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had the thought about doing so with tea/tar once before....but seems like that'd be a large amount of material to put up there. I am interested in doing this with mushroom tea, just purely out of curiosity in trying a different route of dosing.
How did you manage to get a full dose of cactus down to a piece of tar the size of a small finger?
The times I've reduced my tea all the way down to a tar, I'm left with a whole lot more tar than that (and I filter my stuff very well).
And I'd think dissolving even a finger size bit of tar will require a decent amount of water for it to completely dissolve....The few times I've plugged things I was using like 5ml to 15ml of water, it's going to take a whole lot more then that to get tar dissolved completely.
And a proper dose of mescaline will likely still cause some stomach load & discomfort regardless of how it's taken/dosed...Mescaline has a high affinity for 5-HT3 receptors, which are all through out the stomach and gut/intestinal track, and when mescaline plugs into em' stomach discomfort/nausea comes about...This is why mescaline is notorious for having a load in the stomach, even when it's taken in it's pure form/encapsulated . I am not sure if plugging mescaline would avoid the activation of these receptor sites.
The stomach load usually goes away for me after 2 hours or so...I have puked from cactus tea once before right around 90 minutes after drinking, and I felt so sooo damn good after that, no nausea or stomach load at all after I purged it all out...That also so happened to be my most intense and glorious mescaline trip ever.
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: openmind]
#23584060 - 08/27/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like open mind said, I think your body wouldn't be able to fully absorb the tar. You might be better off with a tea enema.
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: SuperFly]
#23584243 - 08/27/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SuperFly said: Like open mind said, I think your body wouldn't be able to fully absorb the tar. You might be better off with a tea enema.
Well that's not quite what I was saying....I was saying that it's going to take quite a bit of water to dissolve the tar completely so that it can be plugged....because I was assuming that's what the OP was going to do, dissolve the tar into water.
But now that I read the original post again, it does sound like pandemoon was thinking about just shoving the tar up there...In which case, you are correct superfly, the tar will certainly not adsorb into one's system much (or at all) if it's plugged by itself rather than being dissolved into water.
When plugging anything, the drug being plugged is dissolved into a solution of some sort and injected at least a couple inches into the rectum with a needleless syringe, things are not just shoved up there . I don't even know how one could get a chunk of tar up in there with out it being dissolved into something, I know I certainly wouldn't be able to just shove/push some tar up in there .
Even a tea, or dissolving the tar into enough water for it to dissolve completely, will be quite a lot of liquid to be up there IMO....Like I mentioned, the few times I've plugged things (various opioids) I was using a mere 5ml to 15ml of water. A dose of tea, even if reduced down, is going to contain a whole lot more liquid than that.
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: openmind]
#23584296 - 08/27/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry I kinda skimmed what you wrote, started my partying early again today
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: SuperFly]
#23584369 - 08/27/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, plugging mescaline does seem interesting. The nausea will not be avoided, I think, or at least not to the degree that it's caused by the serotonin receptors. It might be nice not to have to swallow all that tea though, that's why I'm interested.
But I am worried about the volume. And this makes me a bit skeptic about the notion of plugging tea, or even tar. Too much volume will make for slower uptake, and less efficiency in general.
I'd much rather do some kind of extraction, be left with crystals, or perhaps some sticky mixture of alkaloids, and dissolve and plug that. It will involve less material, in a more pure form, and will thus lead to higher peak plasma levels. (if that is how it works...)
I'm now looking into extraction teks, and hope to start working on them this fall.
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: Hanz]
#23585449 - 08/27/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the helpful replies, guys! 
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openmind said: How did you manage to get a full dose of cactus down to a piece of tar the size of a small finger? [...]
And I'd think dissolving even a finger size bit of tar will require a decent amount of water for it to completely dissolve....The few times I've plugged things I was using like 5ml to 15ml of water, it's going to take a whole lot more then that to get tar dissolved completely.
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Hanz said: But I am worried about the volume. And this makes me a bit skeptic about the notion of plugging tea, or even tar. Too much volume will make for slower uptake, and less efficiency in general.
I filtered my tea several times through coffeefilters and old t-shirts to get is as clean as possible. It was my goal to reduce the ammount as far as I can, so I filled the liquid into several big jars and let those stay in the fridge for two more days. This way again lots of very fine plantmaterial setteled to the ground of the jars and I was able to discard this sludge by carefully pouring out the liquid from above. This way I got roughly half an inch of additional slimy material off each jar I was not able to filter out before. The slimy residues I tossed away and the collected liquids were reduced and then evaped in a hot oven down to tar. It's a dry, but sticky and bendy ball of only 10g per dose, smaller than my little finger indeed. That's a colorful, midsized dose with noticable OEVs, equivalent to 1.2 feet.
This additional filterprocess by decanting is what reduces the volume the most, I guess.
And yes it was the small tar volume that brought me to the idea of plugging it as it is. It's not hard at all. I could split a dose into six or seven soft little balls the size and consistency of a raw pea each. I wouldn't dose all at once, maybe in three or four steps. Never though about redissolving the tar in water, though, pretty sure I can't put in and /or keep half a cup of liquid down there.
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Edited by Pandemoon (08/28/16 06:33 AM)
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: Pandemoon]
#23585515 - 08/27/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't do it. I plugged pure mescaline hcl to avoid nausea, with not a great effect. I did a very large dosage, near 1000mg, I can't remember exactly. I think it was between 700 and 900mg.
I thought this was going to be the most intense mescaline trip ever, with no nausea. I did not have nausea, but it wasn't a great trip.
Now, since some people have apparently done this with success, I think I screwed up. What I realized before plugging it is, some of the mescaline had settled. I think maybe it wasn't in solution. I warmed the water, and shook the syringe vigorously to put it in solution. I didn't warm the water too hot though, because I didn't want to destroy the mescaline. If I ever did it again, which I won't, I would warm the water more.
I shook the syringe again, then I shot this stuff the proper distance up my ass, and laid on my side for 30 minutes to an hr, trying to absorb it. It burnt, and I ended up having an underwhelming trip that felt like I ate 300mg. From what I had read, plugging was supposed to be even more potent than eating. So I wasn't even having a good trip. I was disappointed about the whole thing, and my minimal effects.
I just feel like you are likely to have even worse results using cactus tar.
Edited by bigbitch (08/27/16 11:23 PM)
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: Pandemoon]
#23587066 - 08/28/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Thanks for the helpful replies, guys! 
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openmind said: How did you manage to get a full dose of cactus down to a piece of tar the size of a small finger? [...]
And I'd think dissolving even a finger size bit of tar will require a decent amount of water for it to completely dissolve....The few times I've plugged things I was using like 5ml to 15ml of water, it's going to take a whole lot more then that to get tar dissolved completely.
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Hanz said: But I am worried about the volume. And this makes me a bit skeptic about the notion of plugging tea, or even tar. Too much volume will make for slower uptake, and less efficiency in general.
I filtered my tea several times through coffeefilters and old t-shirts to get is as clean as possible. It was my goal to reduce the ammount as far as I can, so I filled the liquid into several big jars and let those stay in the fridge for two more days. This way again lots of very fine plantmaterial setteled to the ground of the jars and I was able to discard this sludge by carefully pouring out the liquid from above. This way I got roughly half an inch of additional slimy material off each jar I was not able to filter out before. The slimy residues I tossed away and the collected liquids were reduced and then evaped in a hot oven down to tar. It's a dry, but sticky and bendy ball of only 10g per dose, smaller than my little finger indeed. That's a colorful, midsized dose with noticable OEVs, equivalent to 1.2 feet.
This additional filterprocess by decanting is what reduces the volume the most, I guess.
And yes it was the small tar volume that brought me to the idea of plugging it as it is. It's not hard at all. I could split a dose into six or seven soft little balls the size and consistency of a raw pea each. I wouldn't dose all at once, maybe in three or four steps. Never though about redissolving the tar in water, though, pretty sure I can't put in and /or keep half a cup of liquid down there.
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Redissolving in water seems essential to me. The active compounds have to be in some kind of solution in order to be transfered to your bloodstream (I hope I'm right saying this, but it feels right anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.) Having a couple of balls of tar stick to the side of your colon will not do much. The mescaline needs to be able to cross the barrier to your bloodstream. Balls of tar will not allow this to happen. Or very little anyway.
The fact that it works when you eat the tar balls is because the stomach acid dissolves them, and thereby greatly increases the surface area where the substance touches your tissues. This will not happen to a satisfying degree when you plug a number of tar balls. At least, that's what my intuition says. I've never tried it that way. I always dissolve powders in liquid.
And don't be too sure you can't keep a cup of liquid in there. When you stay still and relax you can hold more liquid than you think. And the liquid is absorbed very quickly, much more quickly than a smaller volume of more massive material is.
H.
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Re: Cactus tar rectally [Re: Pandemoon]
#23587705 - 08/28/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive heard of people plugging cactea rectally but never redisolved cactar
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Pandemoon
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My tar is just dried tea, so when redisolved it shouldn't be much of a difference.
I actually found one single post about plugging redisolved cactus tar in the internet. Not here at the shroomery, though, but the guy reported success. Quicker onset and overall about 20% more intense.
You all convinved me that using a liquid enema is essential for absorbing. But that's more effort than just shoving up the dry tar and I'm not sure if I will try this soon. But when I do I'll report back.
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