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saythatagain



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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: LSoares]
#23595221 - 08/30/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been checking out your threads and I'm curious, where do you typically get your seeds? I'm not asking for a specific source but how you get them in general. I've been buying seeds on EBay, but I want to find somewhere new because I typically get very low viability and it can me expensive.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: saythatagain]
#23596243 - 08/31/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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One of the greatest and best seed sellers in the whole world is in the US, you should have no problem getting whatever you want from him (if he's not swamped with orders from China, that is). However, seed from any commercial source may be unreliable germination wise (you never know when was it collected, how was it stored, etc.). Your best bet is to get seed from other growers.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: LSoares]
#23596929 - 08/31/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSoares said: One of the greatest and best seed sellers in the whole world is in the US, you should have no problem getting whatever you want from him (if he's not swamped with orders from China, that is). However, seed from any commercial source may be unreliable germination wise (you never know when was it collected, how was it stored, etc.). Your best bet is to get seed from other growers. 
Totally agree - seed from my own plants or seed that I have swapped with other growers always seems to be a lot more viable than commercially supplied seeds.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: Spanishfly] 1
#23705519 - 10/04/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's up everyone!
So I did some grafting today and I went ahead and documented it because I tried out some new techniques that I have never done and I thought you guys might like to see!
So since my main hobby is mush cult (cacti and plants a close second) I have a lot of parafilm lying around. I know grafting parafilm is used for grafting cacti, but mine is laboratory film grade "m" meant for lab use. After some research, I discovered that there is little to no actual applicable difference in grafting parafilm and lab grade film.
So this is going to be a tutorial/documentation on how to use parafilm for seedling grafting! I also tried grafting the leftover base from each seedling to it's own pereskiopsis for the first time, so we'll see how that turns out as well! I take no credit for this tek, I am just sharing it!
Without further ado...
Let's start off with what parafilm is and how to use it in this tek. Parafilm is a wax film that sticks readily to itself when stretched thin.
Here is a picture of 1 square of parafilm
 Remember, mine is lab grade, but either will do just fine
So, I take one of those squares and cut it in half either direction

Now you take the piece in both hands and steadily stretch it till it is stretched almost as thin as you can get it, it takes practice, but after a couple tries you'll be able to feel when to stop stretching. This is what you should end up with
 As you can see, roughly 4 times the original length.
I then proceed to cut the stretched out piece into 4 equal length pieces

Ok now put those off to the side to be used later. Note that each graft uses two of these pieces so make as many as you need.
Here are my pereskiopsis cutting, fully rooted in coir, bat guano, and perlite.

My seedlings, I am only grafting 4 out of the 8, but I am also grafting each one of the 4 seedlings roots as well, so 8 total plus another that I did prior. sorry for the terrible quality

Ok now take a pere cutting and cut the top off, then trim the leaves down so you have about an inch or so of bare pere stem
 Remove the hair and glochids if they are present
Take one of your parafilm pieces and fold it in half like so

Now wrap this piece around the pere stem about 5mm below the top of the stem. Pinch the parafilm so it makes a little flag on top of the pere

Now wrap the parafilm around the stem neatly, forming a parafilm collar
 This piece of parafilm is there so the other piece that goes on top of the seedling has something to stick to.
Now cut a small slice above the parafilm and leave it in place so the sappy goo doesn't dry up. When you go to place your graft on top, remove this piece and quickly lay the scion on top. I like to save a leaf and break it in half, then use it's sap to re moisten the cut if necessary. It really helps a lot actually.
Now this example was done with a seedling root grafted onto it's own pereskiopsis, something I have yet to try with success so here it goes

As you can see, I have placed the nub off center on the pere stem, now, take another piece of parafilm and grasp it with both hands, using your thumb and ring finger, and index and middle fingers like so

Place the center of the parafilm over your graft. Steadily and with equal pressure on all sides, pull the parafilm down over the graft and then press the parafilm into the collar we made before starting the graft. It should look like this after pulling the parafilm over the graft

And like this after firmly securing it to the parafilm collar

Here is another of a seedling top grafted to a pere

Here is the whole lot
 In a few days I'll check to see how well they have taken and peel the parafilm off. I'll make sure to update this when I do!
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
#23705640 - 10/04/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice write-up, Nate.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: LSoares]
#23706045 - 10/04/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Thanks man!
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
#23706244 - 10/04/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice dude! I just got 40 myrtillocactus seedlings in the mail, by next year I should be totally set on grafting stock I'm getting a 2kg box full of peres, eriocereus, trichocereus, and myrtle for the cost of shipping  I'm stoked
I'm also getting a variegated pereskiopsis (also trichocereus) as well as some pereskiopsis seeds!! Crazy exciting.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: the_r3dz]
#23706371 - 10/04/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude for real tbat sounds like quite the haul!
When you say variegated pere, do you mean a trich to pere graft or an actual variegated pere? Cause that would be pretty damn sweet.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
#23706467 - 10/04/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's an actual variegated pereskiopsis I'm also getting a full yellow variegated trich along with it
and I'm working on a trade for a different clone of var peres
gonna spread the love don't even worry
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: the_r3dz]
#23707256 - 10/04/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome 
Took a few top cuts today and trayed them up
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: NDStepp84]
#23707288 - 10/04/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you seriously have the healthiest peres I've ever seen
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natedawgnow
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: the_r3dz]
#23707312 - 10/04/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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For real dude they look great!
What are you gonna be grafting?
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
#23707387 - 10/04/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Appreciate it dudes, nice technique btw Nate I have a few lophophora seedlings that are ready, a couple albino trich seedlings that will be grafted to some already rooted cuttings (not getting my hopes up) and going to do a couple impales on some small trich pups. I'm going to get the wife to take pics while I work so I can show how I've been doing it, so far 10 for 10 on the impales.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: NDStepp84]
#23707909 - 10/04/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude please do! I've been wondering what the best way to do impales is
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
#23708014 - 10/04/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some questions- What are "impales" and what does grafting the root end of a seedling ddo? never heard of this.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: saythatagain]
#23708032 - 10/04/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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google impale grafting, it's awesome
grafting the root part makes a pup factory, they look weird but they work well.
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: the_r3dz]
#23708848 - 10/05/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never get root grafts to work, they just plump up after a few days and do nothing
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: penker]
#23711015 - 10/05/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fascinating...didn't know a cactus could reverse its plumbing like that. I've been wasting all my root halves...
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: saythatagain]
#23711227 - 10/05/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It has to have an areole to pup from
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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: the_r3dz]
#23711240 - 10/05/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've attempted it once before but I don't think I had a good enough connection. Actually, the graft is still alive and plump just not doing anything 
I should have done a regraft when I did these others, but I didn't think about it till now.
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