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Official grafting stock maintenance and technique thread!
    #23583181 - 08/27/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's up everybody!

So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread tailored specifically
to maintaining grafting stock and where everyone can discuss and expand
on their individual grafting techniques!

This thread will not be limited to Pereskiopsis! All grafting stock and
techniques for their preparation are welcome!

I'll start with my community Pereskiopsis pot and how I recently started
maintaining it!

I recently moved into a new house. My plants used to be in full sun on
my apartment balcony, but now they sit under a patio awning in partial
shade/full sun in the afternoon.

Here in south Texas it has been raining quite a lot and the humidity has
been pretty high so I left my Peres outside to enjoy the weather haha.

(Ignore my foot you foot fetish weirdos:lol:)

Now, since they have been exposed to these conditions, my leaves have
enlarged 10 fold. Here is a picture of 1 Pereskiopsis stalk with both
leaf types


Here is a picture of the lower section leaves compared to a U.S. Quarter


And a leaf from the upper section compared to the same Quarter


Big difference, eh? I'll be cutting, rooting, and grafting to every
stalk in the bin since they are all like this and just perfect right now. Each pere is well over a foot tall too!

I'll update this with some of my general grafting techniques, I'm still
a beginner, though, so I'm hoping some of you will post your techniques
so I can get some ispiration :yesnod:


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Re: Official Pereskiopsis maintenance and grafting technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23583332 - 08/27/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Speaking of which, i have to regraft my alberto-vojtechii babies so i xan revive that peres stock i got from modernshaman. I have several but they are all lost now. They are out there in my backyard somewhere.


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Re: Official Pereskiopsis maintenance and grafting technique thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23583523 - 08/27/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Found them.:awebig:


I knew i had them.


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Re: Official Pereskiopsis maintenance and grafting technique thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23583531 - 08/27/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do it and feel free to document whatever you like right here!

Have you guys had as much rain as i have recently down there?


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Re: Official Pereskiopsis maintenance and grafting technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #23583568 - 08/27/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cool thread, I have found my peres like to be treated like regular plants other than the fact they love sun and heat. They are in a good commercial potting mix consisting of peat, bark fines, perlite and time release nutes. Watered when soil is dry 2" down.


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Re: Official Pereskiopsis maintenance and grafting technique thread! [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23583578 - 08/27/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn that spine is rowdy! Ouch

That tall Pere tree is just :Awemazing:


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23583586 - 08/27/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Changed the title to be more encompassing!


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23585526 - 08/27/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really want to know how to stop peres stock from puping, before the scion starts to grow.:whiteflag:


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: penker]
    #23585535 - 08/27/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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penker said:
I really want to know how to stop peres stock from puping, before the scion starts to grow.:whiteflag:




No way to do it. Ime, the scion only grows after youve cut the offsets a few times. Then it doesnt pup and theows all energy to the scion.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23585555 - 08/27/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have noticed, with a couple of my grafts, that the better the connection
between the stalk and the scion, the less it pups, though it still pups a
little.

I have a couple loph grafts that were growing strong and have now stalled
out of no where. Should I regraft them or is regular stalling and growing
periods normal?


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: penker]
    #23585710 - 08/28/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

penker said:
I really want to know how to stop peres stock from puping, before the scion starts to grow.:whiteflag:




Areole removal.
On the fastest peres loph graft I have yet done, I cut away every areole from the stock so it couldn't attempt to pup :smile:


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23585916 - 08/28/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mostly_Harmless said:
Quote:

penker said:
I really want to know how to stop peres stock from puping, before the scion starts to grow.:whiteflag:




Areole removal.
On the fastest peres loph graft I have yet done, I cut away every areole from the stock so it couldn't attempt to pup :smile:



but that would remove the leaves as well :sad:
Another question, somewhat related, what percentage of accelerated growth do you think is caused by superior root system vs more photosynthesis?


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: penker]
    #23585936 - 08/28/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Losing the leaves didn't seem to slow speed. Out of a tray of 24 grafts, the one with removed areoles also turned out to be the fastest grower, reaching flowering age in 4 months from seed, weeks ahead of any others that had their stock pups removed as I spotted them.

Of course correlation isn't causation and I've not repeated any tests, rarely grafting nowadays.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23586411 - 08/28/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The stock pups because the scion is not yet producing the auxins that will inhibit the sprouting of the areoles. Once the scion gets growing strongly, it will become the dominnt apex, as if it were the growing tip of the stock. Until then, your best solution is to keep cutting the side shoots and use them to increase the number of stocks you have available.

As natedawgnow noticed, the better the initial connection, the faster the scion will become dominant.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: LSoares]
    #23586646 - 08/28/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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The stock pups because the scion is not yet producing the auxins that will inhibit the sprouting of the areoles. Once the scion gets growing strongly, it will become the dominnt apex, as if it were the growing tip of the stock. Until then, your best solution is to keep cutting the side shoots and use them to increase the number of stocks you have available.

As natedawgnow noticed, the better the initial connection, the faster the scion will become dominant.




:havesomescience:


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23587717 - 08/28/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have a Caesp Loph on a Selenicereus Grandiflorus that is apparently not dominant yet, how long can it take for that to happen - roughly speaking?

Could size matter :wink: since bigger scions might produce more auxins?


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: Solipsis]
    #23588039 - 08/28/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I notice the biggerthe stock the bigger the plant. Is that what tou refer to? Ive had a wiffle ballbsized loph on my fast growing trich. Extrme.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: Solipsis]
    #23588975 - 08/29/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Solipsis said:
I have a Caesp Loph on a Selenicereus Grandiflorus that is apparently not dominant yet, how long can it take for that to happen - roughly speaking?

Could size matter :wink: since bigger scions might produce more auxins?



"Time to-" is relative because it is a function of both scion size (=auxin production) and stock vigour (=more dormant buds to inhibit).

In short, yeah, size matters (as we all know :cool:). It's just not clear exactly how.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: LSoares]
    #23590768 - 08/29/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Any tips for grafting on opuntia? I have been grafting tubercles from my mammillarias onto them, they haven't shown any growth yet, though.


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Re: Official grafting stockmaintenance and technique thread! [Re: saythatagain]
    #23592281 - 08/30/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Any tips for grafting on opuntia? I have been grafting tubercles from my mammillarias onto them, they haven't shown any growth yet, though.



I tried with O. ficus-indica and another species I can't recall right now. Didn't work so well. I made a grow log, help yourself. :wink:


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