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Contamination right out of pc??
    #23583073 - 08/27/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm starting my first mushroom grow in years and after p.c my cakes for 75minutes and allowing to cool over night when I removed there is what appears to be a white ring around all the jars an inch or so up from the bottom is this a contam? Or just built up condensation?


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583085 - 08/27/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

how much water was in the pc?
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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583088 - 08/27/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is that not on the glass from being in pcd water overnight?


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mushboy]
    #23583097 - 08/27/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like it's just moisture. With 75 min you're definitely cool. I usually do 40-60 min.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23583104 - 08/27/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I put two layers of jar lids with a layer of foil in between then filled with water just to the top of the jar lids and added jars... And I've read alot about that but I figured since I haven't grown them since I was a teen I'd start with some cakes then spawn to grain for bulk trays in monotubs.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583109 - 08/27/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's definitely on the inside of the jar on every one just wanted to make sure I didn't screw up before inoculating. I'm all set up to inoculate but saw that and wanted to double check myself. I searched here and google and couldn't find anything similar.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583129 - 08/27/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you SURE that's on the inside?  That looks EXACTLY like the calcium deposits that end up on the outside of every PC'd jar.

Wipe it with vinegar or alcohol and it should come off.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583136 - 08/27/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies maybe I'll inoculate these and wait for healthy growth before I PC the other 15. :thumbup::syringe::mushroom2:


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583154 - 08/27/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Inocoule,and mrmazdarx9 I feel like a major idiot now but you sure are a life savor. Thank you. It wouldn't rub off with my fingers or p.t. but I just put some 91% on the p.t and it came right off.. sorry...


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583160 - 08/27/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't feel silly.  If you hadn't asked you might have assumed the jars were toast and thrown the contents out.  That's what the forum is here for.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583167 - 08/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was also just a bit over concerned cause after mixing the 2-1-1 for the cakes I felt it was a bit to dry so I added a little less than an extra 1/4 cup of water so it felt a bit more moist so I had thought I over did it... We'll now after making a fool of myself. Let's get these 20 cakes rolling... I'm doing 10 golden teachers and 10 B+


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583171 - 08/27/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Inocoule, I feel like a major idiot now but you sure are a life savor. Thank you. It wouldn't rub off with my fingers or p.t. but I just put some 91% on the p.t and it came right off.. sorry...



I literally said it right off the mark


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23583180 - 08/27/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

read your PC's instructions. I put in maybe less than an inch of water in mine and keep the burner LOW enough to only hear a few hisses per min. otherwise you can burn your substrate. burnt bird seed STINKS


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mushboy]
    #23583188 - 08/27/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:  Well you can see in the picture that it's on the outer side of the glass.  If it was on the inside there'd be a clear surface before the fog started.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mushboy]
    #23583190 - 08/27/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

mrmazdarx9 sorry still getting used to site I fixed it and thank you. I greatly appreciate all your guys time of day to answer this. Now I'm excited let's get these jars a growing. :smile: haha.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mushboy]
    #23583192 - 08/27/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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read your PC's instructions. I put in maybe less than an inch of water in mine and keep the burner LOW enough to only hear a few hisses per min. otherwise you can burn your substrate. burnt bird seed STINKS



Less than an inch in water? Mine would dry up in no time even on low heat

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mrmazdarx9 sorry still getting used to site I fixed it and thank you. I greatly appreciate all your guys time of day to answer this. Now I'm excited let's get these jars a growing. :smile: haha.



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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23583198 - 08/27/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I put about 2 inches in mine. :shrug:  About one inch up the bottom of the jars.  If even.  Could be a sign you're using too much heat.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23583209 - 08/27/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I put about 2 inches in mine. :shrug:  About one inch up the bottom of the jars.  If even.  Could be a sign you're using too much heat.



I have mine way off the bottom on a couple little heat proof tubs with a pizza tray across to put my jars on so my jars never touch the water but your probably right I just wack it on full till it hisses its tits off then turn it down till it levels out


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23583231 - 08/27/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That looks EXACTLY like the calcium deposits that end up on the outside of every PC'd jar.




I used tap water for a lot of my grows and the jars looked like that many times. Always thought it was calcium and never noticed any contemn issues. Not 100% but thats what it looks like to me


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: tealeaf]
    #23583272 - 08/27/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

next time you're at the grocery buy jug of distilled and some vinegar for PC use


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23583286 - 08/27/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Perfect starting the next 5 jars in p.c. now gonna try slightly less water and use distilled water this time. The five I originally posted about have now all been knocked up and are ready to go.


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    #23583296 - 08/27/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23583305 - 08/27/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Heard, and fixed my bad.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23583415 - 08/27/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I do about 2 inches of water as well, and yeah, thats just water scum, your bottom jars will get it everytime. I just give it an iso wipe when I label it.


Another handy trick if you are getting water inside of your foil, is just wipe it with iso once you pull the foil off, it sanitizes and evaporates.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: tramshed]
    #23586656 - 08/28/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tramshed, thank you. I'm gonna try that next time.
Did open air inoculation this time but am waiting to inoculate the rest so I can build a sab I was looking all over for where to let your jars colonize I understand that incubation chambers are a thing of the past but I can't find where else is OK other than people saying just in open air, anywhere basically. I guess my question would be is I have a rather large master bathroom with a big tucked away area with three shelves, is it ok to colonize and fruit on this shelf? I run a hepa air purifier in the room most of the day and the shelves get both indirect sunlight and incandescent light. But I just wanted to make sure this was an OK place to colonize and fruit??


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23586728 - 08/28/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tramshed, thank you. I'm gonna try that next time.
Did open air inoculation this time but am waiting to inoculate the rest so I can build a sab I was looking all over for where to let your jars colonize I understand that incubation chambers are a thing of the past but I can't find where else is OK other than people saying just in open air, anywhere basically. I guess my question would be is I have a rather large master bathroom with a big tucked away area with three shelves, is it ok to colonize and fruit on this shelf? I run a hepa air purifier in the room most of the day and the shelves get both indirect sunlight and incandescent light. But I just wanted to make sure this was an OK place to colonize and fruit??



Open air innoc not great idea
Do not put anything in the bathroom one of the most disgusting rooms in the house shit mold particles and spores floating around, incubation chambers are outdated put in indirect light in a cool dry place till colonised while this is happening build an sgfc for fruiting


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23586736 - 08/28/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I should have added we rarely ever use this bathroom and I completely bleached it and Lysol'd the room before placing jars in there but I will remove immediately upon your advice. And I'm actually just now drilling the last of my holes on the bottom for my sgfc. Will add pics in the next few when finished.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23586747 - 08/28/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sgfc is defo the way to go mate you only have to make it once :thumbup: thank fuck


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    #23586755 - 08/28/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would a top shelf in a walk in closet be a sufficient area? Or on a little table inside the closet?


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23586809 - 08/28/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you're asking for a nice place to set jars, either is fine.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23586951 - 08/28/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Inocuole yes, and thank you is it OK to set the sgfc here as well? also I got one fairly small crack in the bottom of my sgfc can I superglue it or do need to start all over?


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23587152 - 08/28/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

dont worry about a crack. you drilled holes on every side of the tub anyway.
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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mushboy]
    #23587244 - 08/28/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't put it on a shelf the underside needs air flow too that's why its drilled top and bottom so it needs to be uncovered and raised off the ground


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23587352 - 08/28/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dont worry about a crack. you drilled holes on every side of the tub anyway.
a crack is just an ugly drilled hole :P




Very good point just wanted to make sure I'm following the tek to the letter so to speak.


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Don't put it on a shelf the underside needs air flow too that's why its drilled top and bottom so it needs to be uncovered and raised off the ground




I understand that my shelf is one of those white grated shelves completely open to airflow and I'd still raise it up of the shelf just incase a couple holes didn't line up with the grates is that a possibility or no?

And thank you everyone for helping me fill in the blanks with this. :thumbup:


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23587385 - 08/28/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dont worry about a crack. you drilled holes on every side of the tub anyway.
a crack is just an ugly drilled hole :P




Very good point just wanted to make sure I'm following the tek to the letter so to speak.


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Don't put it on a shelf the underside needs air flow too that's why its drilled top and bottom so it needs to be uncovered and raised off the ground




I understand that my shelf is one of those white grated shelves completely open to airflow and I'd still raise it up of the shelf just incase a couple holes didn't line up with the grates is that a possibility or no?

And thank you everyone for helping me fill in the blanks with this. :thumbup:



Yeah that should be fine mate ideally you need it away from a wall I say this a shelves generally are on walls :tongue2: if you can about a foot away should be reasonably sufficient


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23587439 - 08/28/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Perfect it's fairly wide so I think it'll do. Hopefully. Haha. If any problems arise I'll move it but I'm just finishing up all my inoculating so it'll be a few weeks till I know anyhow. Just the type of person who likes to be prepared for anything.


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Re: Contamination right out of pc?? [Re: NwMycoHead]
    #23587565 - 08/28/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats the best way better than scrabbling around last minute or too late because your missing bits


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