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Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban?
    #23582587 - 08/27/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

France has banned the niqab and burkini, and police have even instructed women wearing the burkinis to undress and remove what they are wearing in public. What are your thoughts on this? Is this good, or an infringement upon religious freedoms?

I personally have two separate viewpoints on this. First, I believe that the burkini is indeed provocative and controversial, that is in fact, what it is intended to be.

Because any Muslim woman could simply wear a full-length wetsuit and a swimming cap, and that alone would be sufficient enough to follow dress code under Islamic law. But instead, people who buy these burkinis want to make a statement by showing off their religion to everybody--it is actually intended to be a provocative statement, not as innocuous as it is supposedly made out to be.

But on the other hand, terrorist activities are almost always carried out by men. So it irks me the wrong way, when it is women who end up penalized and oppressed because of these transgressions.

So... is it religious freedom, or is it France's right to play morality police?

Here is a video of the police forcing a woman to undress after she is caught wearing a hijab on the beach:



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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23582600 - 08/27/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away? That is the most sexist thing in the world! In the 1930s in the west our forefathers bathed equally dressed up.

Its a religious thing, so?

Are nuns not allowed on the beach too?






Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.


There is a parallel between police forcing Muslimas to disrobe nowadays and the SA harrassing Orthodox Jews in the 1930s.

Its not right. Its a sign that we are moving towards ethnic cleansing.

Police forcing women to disrobe. Laws to prevent people to wear certain clothes on the beach.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #23582607 - 08/27/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those cops in France were no better than the guys that go around in Muslim areas and tell women to wear a burka.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23582612 - 08/27/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

People should be free to express themselves with whatever clothing they want, whether being naked or wearing plate mail.  Maybe they shouldn't be letting in so many refugees/migrants if they don't want their country to become more Islamic, maybe stop allowing foreign donations to fund mosques.  Maybe they should do a better job integrating their country if they are going to continue allowing Muslims in.  The burkini is a non-issue, it's a distraction from a much more serious issue of allowing millions of unvetted migrants into the EU with freedom of movement.  That's a problem, what those people want to wear to the beach is not.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: fapjack]
    #23582614 - 08/27/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe they should do a better job integrating their country if they are going to continue allowing Muslims in.




Couldn't it be argued that they are imposing cultural integration by enforcing such policies such as a burkini and burka ban?

(This is not what I really believe, I'm just postulating a hypothetical argument)


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23582642 - 08/27/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is imposing cultural integration, but at the same time it's limiting other's freedom of expression.  It would be no different than banning males from wearing women's clothing.  The only reason people support the ban is because it's coming from an extremely repressive culture known for dehumanizing their women.  You can't allow in hundreds of thousands of Muslim migrants and expect them to follow your cultural norms.  Forcing people to attend classes to learn French and about French culture seems like it would be a lot more proactive.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23582676 - 08/27/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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France has banned the niqab and burkini, and police have even instructed women wearing the burkinis to undress and remove what they are wearing in public. What are your thoughts on this? Is this good, or an infringement upon religious freedoms?





they can protest it by not going to the beach


does france actually have religious freedom?


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #23582688 - 08/27/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is imposing cultural integration, but at the same time it's limiting other's freedom of expression.






dont apply the laws and rights of US citizens to the french, that's the mistake
everyone wants to make in this discussion, people defend islam's many odd practices
that would violate our laws in claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old, well wouldnt this 'burkini' ban be a cultural
difference or do we hold western nations to a different standard in which their
culture doesnt matter. wouldnt that be forced cultural integration as well, where
westerners are forced to accept these other cultures imposing their own beliefs


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23582695 - 08/27/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away?

Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.






once again, why are you assuming france is a free country


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23582698 - 08/27/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yet, here in America, many school teachers are banned from wearing cross necklaces, with no outrage from the lunatic left. Another fine example of them preferring Islam over Christianity


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23582703 - 08/27/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away?

Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.






once again, why are you assuming france is a free country




Isn't it funny when the party who demands govt control every aspect of our lives, start getting outraged when they begin doing so? :lol:


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23582709 - 08/27/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I bet the Sports Illustrated Muslim Swimsuit issue is hot.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23582715 - 08/27/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old




No it's not, pedophilia has a victim and is therefore not a victimless crime.

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Yet, here in America, many school teachers are banned from wearing cross necklaces, with no outrage from the lunatic left. Another fine example of them preferring Islam over Christianity




If teachers are banned from wearing crosses, then those same teachers wearing niqab or hijab would be banned too. All religious garb would.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23582717 - 08/27/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away? That is the most sexist thing in the world! In the 1930s in the west our forefathers bathed equally dressed up.

Its a religious thing, so?

Are nuns not allowed on the beach too?






Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.


There is a parallel between police forcing Muslimas to disrobe nowadays and the SA harrassing Orthodox Jews in the 1930s.

Its not right. Its a sign that we are moving towards ethnic cleansing.

Police forcing women to disrobe. Laws to prevent people to wear certain clothes on the beach.



Exactly! Hit it right on the head Asante. I couldn't have said it or put it any better myself. I see them trying to steal our freedom in many ways and have noticed it a lot more lately. I'm praying for a big Turn Around & with Prayers & a little help from all willing others is possible. Peace & Love


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: majicman30]
    #23582753 - 08/27/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can't look at the French and try to argue against their laws as if it
were the United States. In France, religious symbols are banned in a lot
of public places, especially schools. This means you can't wear crosses,
head scarfs, or any other religiously affiliated garb.

Is it wrong? Yes.
Is it wrong for the U.S. to try to impose their will on other countries? Yes.
Should they be allowed to wear whatever they want? Yes. Which is why there
is a lot of guff and controversy surrounding the decision right now.

The law does seem to be mainly focused on Islamic women and their practice
of hijab, so although it is supposed to be directed at all mainstream
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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23582758 - 08/27/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away?

Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.






once again, why are you assuming france is a free country





Prisoner#1 I live nextdoor to France. Its a bit simple to assume only the US has freedom.

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France is quite free.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23582760 - 08/27/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old




No it's not, pedophilia has a victim and is therefore not a victimless crime.




the laws need to define victimhood, if the age of consent in Philippines is 12 years
old, you and I may see it as a crime because we base it on the laws and morality we
are subjected to but in Philippines there's no crime and no victim just like in many
of those middle eastern countries it's not illegal to marry off your 9 year old
daughter and if the police in these countries overlook acts of pedophilia then
clearly there's a cultural difference where even the police dont see a victim

it still doesnt address whether france has religious freedom or not


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Asante]
    #23582774 - 08/27/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Asante said:
Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away?

Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.






once again, why are you assuming france is a free country





Prisoner#1 I live nextdoor to France. Its a bit simple to assume only the US has freedom.

Liberte Egalite Fraternite

France is quite free.





slogans are nice but clearly dont mean shit, being someone's neighbor doesnt mean
you know what goes on in their house, clearly france isnt free, the citizens arent
allowed the means to revolt against their government if they chose to do so


Quote:

"No one may be questioned about his opinions, [and the] same [for] religious [opinions], provided that their manifestation does not trouble the public order established by the law."




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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: majicman30]
    #23582780 - 08/27/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Asante said:
Who are WE to tell these women to expose their bodies or go away? That is the most sexist thing in the world! In the 1930s in the west our forefathers bathed equally dressed up.

Its a religious thing, so?

Are nuns not allowed on the beach too?






Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.


There is a parallel between police forcing Muslimas to disrobe nowadays and the SA harrassing Orthodox Jews in the 1930s.

Its not right. Its a sign that we are moving towards ethnic cleansing.

Police forcing women to disrobe. Laws to prevent people to wear certain clothes on the beach.



Exactly! Hit it right on the head Asante. I couldn't have said it or put it any better myself. I see them trying to steal our freedom in many ways and have noticed it a lot more lately. I'm praying for a big Turn Around & with Prayers & a little help from all willing others is possible. Peace & Love





then Asante is wrong, france isnt free


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23582809 - 08/27/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to see muslim woman come out and as an act of solidarity with their 'ethnic french' contemporaries -who are, apparently, being harassed and sexually assaulted by their muslim menfolk- and, Burn their Burkas.

Continuing the tradition of wearing the burka in a secularist society reinforces the teaching that they've received from birth, namely that, uncovered woman are, to some varying extent, not as decent/modest as their muslim family members that cover up, and may well be what leads to many of them viewing woman dressed in western sytle clothing, as little more than whores, and therefore undeserving of respect.

Having police officers demand muslim woman remove clothing in a public areas seems  counterproductive...
and has recently been ruled against.
 

"30 French mayors have been urged to follow a court ruling which overturned a controversial burkini ban in a resort town."

Hope the mayors see sense.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23582854 - 08/27/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think Islam should be banned, so yeah, good for France. "Burkini", what an absolute crock of horseshit.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23582878 - 08/27/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Almost no one in Europe wears Burqas. The numbers are so low, holland has almost a million Muslims and you'd be hard pressed to find 200 women wearing burqas. The official estimate is less than 150 in the whole country, or less than 1 in 100,000 people

Its simply not how it is.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23582887 - 08/27/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think Islam should be banned, so yeah, good for France. "Burkini", what an absolute crock of horseshit.





Alyssa, Burqini is a word invented by an australian fashion house for their line of Muslima bathing suits.

This is what we're talking about:



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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Asante]
    #23582899 - 08/27/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Alyssa, Burqini is a word invented by an australian fashion house for their line of Muslima bathing suits.



I know what a burqini is. Why did you think I didn't? It's an Islamic thing, you said it yourself: Muslim bathing suits.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23582903 - 08/27/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
I'd like to see muslim woman come out and as an act of solidarity with their 'ethnic french' contemporaries -who are, apparently, being harassed and sexually assaulted by their muslim menfolk- and, Burn their Burkas.

Continuing the tradition of wearing the burka in a secularist society reinforces the teaching that they've received from birth, namely that, uncovered woman are, to some varying extent, not as decent/modest as their muslim family members that cover up, and may well be what leads to many of them viewing woman dressed in western sytle clothing, as little more than whores, and therefore undeserving of respect.


"30 French mayors have been urged to follow a court ruling which overturned a controversial burkini ban in a resort town."

Hope the mayors see sense.




what exactly is sense from these conflicting statements


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23582904 - 08/27/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its a brand name just like ray-ban and havaianas, its not a traditional islamic thing.

Its a form of fashion for Muslimas, why can't they wear it?


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23582937 - 08/27/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old




No it's not, pedophilia has a victim and is therefore not a victimless crime.

Quote:

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Yet, here in America, many school teachers are banned from wearing cross necklaces, with no outrage from the lunatic left. Another fine example of them preferring Islam over Christianity




If teachers are banned from wearing crosses, then those same teachers wearing niqab or hijab would be banned too. All religious garb would.




Teachers aren't banned from wearing crosses. Even if hey were, that is totally different than a private citizen not being allowed to wear one.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Asante]
    #23582969 - 08/27/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Its a brand name just like ray-ban and havaianas, its not a traditional islamic thing.

Its a form of fashion for Muslimas, why can't they wear it?




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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23582990 - 08/27/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not arguing with anyone or disagreeing with anyone, but France in my openion is just as free as the United states. We claim to be a free country & we are very free to some extent, but I don't concider it total freedom by a long shot. I hope this doesn't keep happening everywhere. Peace & Love


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Asante]
    #23583062 - 08/27/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Its a brand name just like ray-ban and havaianas, its not a traditional islamic thing.

Its a form of fashion for Muslimas, why can't they wear it?



Because it's worn as part of the practice of Islam, which is the most misogynist and violent belief system there is. If it stood on its own, then fair enough, but it's inextricably linked to Islam.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23583150 - 08/27/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

France seems like an odd place. They let all those Islamic refuges into the country, but then dont let them wear a burka on the beach because of freedom concerns?

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: danielx]
    #23583199 - 08/27/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

france is a shit country

well you all know i hate islam, banning anything that isnt a mask is gross.

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: danielx] * 1
    #23583203 - 08/27/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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France seems like an odd place. They let all those Islamic refuges into the country, but then dont let them wear a burka on the beach because of freedom concerns?

Bizaro world




Well they gotta put their foot down somewhere!

My thoughts.... who fucking cares. What.... Muslims can dish it out but can't take it?

I didn't hear anyone bitching when muslims were trying to ban oktoberfest because it's "anti-islamic"

They try to impose their Islamist will in any country they migrate to. So fuck em, have some will imposed on them.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23583230 - 08/27/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The law seems a little antagonistic and doesn't really address the main problem.  I can see it being ultimately ineffective at whatever goals France has with it, paving the way for more laws and totalitarianism.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23583242 - 08/27/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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France seems like an odd place. They let all those Islamic refuges into the country, but then dont let them wear a burka on the beach because of freedom concerns?

Bizaro world




Well they gotta put their foot down somewhere!

My thoughts.... who fucking cares. What.... Muslims can dish it out but can't take it?

I didn't hear anyone bitching when muslims were trying to ban oktoberfest because it's "anti-islamic"

They try to impose their Islamist will in any country they migrate to. So fuck em, have some will imposed on them.




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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: koods]
    #23583259 - 08/27/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23583283 - 08/27/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23583293 - 08/27/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This ban doesn't address any of the issues they are dealing with.  If they started rounding up migrants and shipping them back to whatever country they came from it would do a lot more good than not allowing them to wear certain bathing suits on the beach.  If they don't want Muslims coming into their country be proactive instead of passing passive aggressive legislation that doesn't do anything.  Instead of allowing boats filled with migrants in, maybe turn their vessels around and tell them to go fuck themselves.  The EU needs to stop acting like a nation of pussies if they don't want their cultures to be consumed by a bunch of savages.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23583312 - 08/27/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: fapjack]
    #23583371 - 08/27/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This ban doesn't address any of the issues they are dealing with.  If they started rounding up migrants and shipping them back to whatever country they came from it would do a lot more good than not allowing them to wear certain bathing suits on the beach.  If they don't want Muslims coming into their country be proactive instead of passing passive aggressive legislation that doesn't do anything.  Instead of allowing boats filled with migrants in, maybe turn their vessels around and tell them to go fuck themselves.  The EU needs to stop acting like a nation of pussies if they don't want their cultures to be consumed by a bunch of savages.



Good point! I really like Donald's solution, he's all about keeping America safe.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #23583495 - 08/27/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you don't see any problem with allowing several million unvetted migrants into the EU coming from some of the most repressed countries on the planet, you have about as much common sense as the average Trump supporter.  Islam is an extremely backwards ideology.  I'm not going to say Christianity or Judaism is much better, but at least Jesus wasn't a plundering warlord that spread his message by the sword.  The Jews generally don't take the Torah literally either, which is really the problem with Islam.  A rigid and literal interpretation of any of the major religions isn't really compatible with modern society.  Until mainstream Islam shifts away from this the Islamic world will continue to lag behind the rest of the world.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: fapjack]
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If you don't see any problem with allowing several million unvetted migrants into the EU coming from some of the most repressed countries on the planet, you have about as much common sense as the average Trump supporter.  Islam is an extremely backwards ideology.  I'm not going to say Christianity or Judaism is much better, but at least Jesus wasn't a plundering warlord that spread his message by the sword.  The Jews generally don't take the Torah literally either, which is really the problem with Islam.  A rigid and literal interpretation of any of the major religions isn't really compatible with modern society.  Until mainstream Islam shifts away from this the Islamic world will continue to lag behind the rest of the world.



What? I thought Trump's idea was to stop all immigration from Muslim countries. I'm strictly anti-Islam, how did you get the idea that I was tolerant of it?


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23583609 - 08/27/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This ban doesn't address any of the issues they are dealing with.  If they started rounding up migrants and shipping them back to whatever country they came from it would do a lot more good than not allowing them to wear certain bathing suits on the beach.  If they don't want Muslims coming into their country be proactive instead of passing passive aggressive legislation that doesn't do anything.  Instead of allowing boats filled with migrants in, maybe turn their vessels around and tell them to go fuck themselves.  The EU needs to stop acting like a nation of pussies if they don't want their cultures to be consumed by a bunch of savages.



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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: koods]
    #23583627 - 08/27/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You're a regressive




lol. No. I just call it like I see it.
Muslims have NO problem imposing their beliefs on people, even in places where they are guests. What... they can't take the same in return?

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    #23583640 - 08/27/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This ban doesn't address any of the issues they are dealing with.




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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23583651 - 08/27/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Burkini reminds me of the word bukkaki or something dirty like that

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23583891 - 08/27/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old




No it's not, pedophilia has a victim and is therefore not a victimless crime.

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Yet, here in America, many school teachers are banned from wearing cross necklaces, with no outrage from the lunatic left. Another fine example of them preferring Islam over Christianity




If teachers are banned from wearing crosses, then those same teachers wearing niqab or hijab would be banned too. All religious garb would.




Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam


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    #23584001 - 08/27/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23584018 - 08/27/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Freedom means that you can wear your culturally prescribed clothes without the law forbidding you to do that.




Freedom is walking out of my house naked. The world has a long way to go. These cops in France are helping us get closer to the end goal of eliminating cloth slavery.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23584708 - 08/27/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

those fucks have brown skin and then cover themselves up with under armor

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23584719 - 08/27/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23584728 - 08/27/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you should be able to tell someone how to dress. But I hate Muslims and agree with it in this particular case


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23584825 - 08/27/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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claiming it's a cultural difference to molest
children and marry a 9 year old




No it's not, pedophilia has a victim and is therefore not a victimless crime.

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Yet, here in America, many school teachers are banned from wearing cross necklaces, with no outrage from the lunatic left. Another fine example of them preferring Islam over Christianity




If teachers are banned from wearing crosses, then those same teachers wearing niqab or hijab would be banned too. All religious garb would.




Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




We are supposed to be upset about what? A ban on wearing crosses in schools? As far as I can tell, there are only two states that have a law about religious garb, and nobody enforces them. They are very old, and recognized as being unconstitutional.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: koods]
    #23584833 - 08/27/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




We are supposed to be upset about what? A ban on wearing crosses in schools? As far as I can tell, there are only two states that have a law about religious garb, and nobody enforces them. They are very old, and recognized as being unconstitutional.




Yes, but it's actually nothing to be upset over as long as it is enforced equally.

Meaning, if a teacher is banned from wearing religious garb, that would include ALL religious garb, not just crosses.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23584856 - 08/27/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You're a regressive




lol. No. I just call it like I see it.
Muslims have NO problem imposing their beliefs on people, even in places where they are guests. What... they can't take the same in return?

This is regressive




Lots of people want shit. Muslims want to impose their beliefs. Christians want to be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. Unlike Christians, I don't see the Muslims getting their beliefs legally sanctioned anywhere in the west. In France, there is no law allowing Muslims to force people to wear a burka. There is a law saying they can't. It seems like beliefs are being imposed on Muslims in France, not the other way around.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: koods]
    #23584869 - 08/27/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23584879 - 08/27/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




We are supposed to be upset about what? A ban on wearing crosses in schools? As far as I can tell, there are only two states that have a law about religious garb, and nobody enforces them. They are very old, and recognized as being unconstitutional.




Yes, but it's actually nothing to be upset over as long as it is enforced equally.

Meaning, if a teacher is banned from wearing religious garb, that would include ALL religious garb, not just crosses.




it's rarely enforced. I found three cases. One was about a burka, one a Star of David and the other a cross. I have no doubt these people were doing more than wearing some kind of symbol. They were probably being very overtly religious in a secular public school.

This is a red herring from hostile dude. The police forcing a civilian to remove religious garb in a public space is far more discriminatory than one that mandates a government employee not push a religious agenda upon students. Nuns cover their heads as well for religious reasons. There's no law about that in France.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23585750 - 08/28/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Freedom is walking out of my house naked. The world has a long way to go. These cops in France are helping us get closer to then end goal of eliminating cloth slavery.



Wow, right on!

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    #23585752 - 08/28/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Freedom is walking out of my house naked. The world has a long way to go. These cops in France are helping us get closer to then end goal of eliminating cloth slavery.




I believe in France it is legal, at least on quite many beaches, to be naked on the beach. I'm glad for this, nudity should not be a crime. Nothing beats the feeling of swimming naked.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23585775 - 08/28/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




Some of us never heard about teachers being banned from wearing crosses, to be honest with you. Must be a regional or district thing.



Bill Warner explains in an interview that Muslims have a strange aversion to crosses. despite Jesus being recognized as real, Christianity isnt Islam and the Kafir must all convert or die


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23585989 - 08/28/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




Some of us never heard about teachers being banned from wearing crosses, to be honest with you. Must be a regional or district thing.




Becuase the leftist journalists in this country dont care or cover it

Hey koods, ever hear of religious freedom?

Now back to the burkini, whatever the fuck that is, the only reason this is even an issue is because progressives are hellbent on forcing Muslim acceptance on the populace. France don't have religious freedom, why should they? They are a socialist country, freedom is not their "thing"


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23586105 - 08/28/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Point was, no outcry from our idiotic left wing in this country, so why so upset over this? Piss on Islam




Some of us never heard about teachers being banned from wearing crosses, to be honest with you. Must be a regional or district thing.




Becuase the leftist journalists in this country dont care or cover it




Yeah, the only problem is your right-wing pundits keep trying to spin the story into an "anti-Christian" slant, when the reality is that they were banned from wearing crosses because ALL religious garb is banned.

Meaning, Muslims would be banned from wearing niqab or hijab in these school districts, and Jews would be banned from wearing the kippah similarly, and so forth.

So no, contrary to what Fox News might be telling you, Christians aren't being persecuted for their beliefs.



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Now back to the burkini, whatever the fuck that is, the only reason this is even an issue is because progressives are hellbent on forcing Muslim acceptance on the populace. France don't have religious freedom, why should they? They are a socialist country, freedom is not their "thing"





Wiki actually says France does. Not only that, but they also appear to have separation of church and state like we do:

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Freedom of religion in France is guaranteed by the constitutional rights set forth in the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.

Since 1905 the French government has followed the principle of laïcité, in which the State does not recognize any official religion (except for legacy statutes like that of military chaplains and the local law in Alsace-Moselle). Instead, it merely recognizes certain religious organizations, according to formal legal criteria that do not address religious doctrine. In return, religious organizations are to refrain from involvement in the State's policy-making.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_France

Also what does socialism have to do with religious freedom? Lol... now you're just grasping at straws.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23586141 - 08/28/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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France has banned the niqab and burkini, and police have even instructed women wearing the burkinis to undress and remove what they are wearing in public. What are your thoughts on this? Is this good, or an infringement upon religious freedoms?

I personally have two separate viewpoints on this. First, I believe that the burkini is indeed provocative and controversial, that is in fact, what it is intended to be.

Because any Muslim woman could simply wear a full-length wetsuit and a swimming cap, and that alone would be sufficient enough to follow dress code under Islamic law. But instead, people who buy these burkinis want to make a statement by showing off their religion to everybody--it is actually intended to be a provocative statement, not as innocuous as it is supposedly made out to be.

But on the other hand, terrorist activities are almost always carried out by men. So it irks me the wrong way, when it is women who end up penalized and oppressed because of these transgressions.

So... is it religious freedom, or is it France's right to play morality police?

Here is a video of the police forcing a woman to undress after she is caught wearing a hijab on the beach:






A few French beach communities just rescinded the ban. Idk its a complicated issue. Britain, France and Germany are going to have to deal with this before we do and hopefully we learn something about their experiences and  the cause and effect etc. I don't want to be prejudiced, but even more I don't want to be taken over culturally.


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    #23587404 - 08/28/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those cops in France were no better than the guys that go around in Muslim areas and tell women to wear a burka.




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I had to look up Burkini . I wouldn't want to pick up a woman in a burkini


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once again, why are you assuming france is a free country



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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23589110 - 08/29/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They can do what they like, because it seems the only terrorists committing the attacks are either Muslims or Islamic.
There is nothing wrong with punishing those who are responsible. If an American or Englishman went to say, Saudi Arabia, then we would be forced to follow stupid laws as well or end up being raped by them.
Is there any Christians committing these acts? NO. What about Buddhists? NO.

What about Muslim & Islamic brainwashed slaves? YES.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23589126 - 08/29/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Electric Wizard21 said:
They can do what they like, because it seems the only terrorists committing the attacks are either Muslims or Islamic.
There is nothing wrong with punishing those who are responsible. If an American or Englishman went to say, Saudi Arabia, then we would be forced to follow stupid laws as well or end up being raped by them.
Is there any Christians committing these acts? NO. What about Buddhists? NO.

What about Muslim & Islamic brainwashed slaves? YES.



Agreed. What's the difference between Muslim and Islamic? I thought the terms were synonymous.


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Re: Your thoughts and opinions on the burkini, and the burkini ban? [Re: Alyssa]
    #23619860 - 09/06/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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In a seeming U-turn, the Islamic State (Isis) has reportedly banned women wearing the burka in northern Iraq after claiming that its fighters have been targeted by a veiled female. The hard-line faction has previously beaten and killed women for not wearing a veil covering their face and hair in public.




http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/islamic-state-bans-burka-northern-iraq-after-veiled-woman-kills-2-jihadists-1579804


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