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how do these bags look?
    #23582371 - 08/27/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

these 1 pound bags of rye were thoroughly mixed up 2.5 weeks ago. they bounced right back after. ambient temp has been 78-81. I know the color of the myc looks kind of dull in the picture, but when I hold the bags directly under a light, it's bright white.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896] * 1
    #23582391 - 08/27/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Aha did you take this picture with a potato?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: liloldme]
    #23582395 - 08/27/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

literaly no idea what your talking about.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23582810 - 08/27/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They look good but it is a shitty picture.

Maybe try getting closer and taking shots of each bag :cool:


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23582906 - 08/27/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It shouldn't take 2.5 weeks AFTER a mixing for full colonization.  Those temps are also a bit high and that probably means you have a bacteria issue since you probably also injected that bag with spores.

Usually after a bag has been mixed, there should only be like another week or so until full colonization.

They do look bacterial from what detail I can see, have they stopped growing?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23582985 - 08/27/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

those look pretty unhealthy


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23583214 - 08/27/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if the OP knows how long they were sterilized. They do look like bacteria.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23583581 - 08/27/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah they do look pretty yellow at a second glance...


Best take some better pics OP !


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23583943 - 08/27/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

side view of a bag. tough to get the true color though. they seem to have been growing continuously after mixing. haven't noticed any of them stalling.



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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23584809 - 08/27/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

bump for alin.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23584814 - 08/27/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't bump your own thread before 24 hours. Your growth looks weak at best.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23584824 - 08/27/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if they do colonize fully, how unlikely would it be for me to successfully spawn to coir/verm? any advice?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23584848 - 08/27/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From the way it looks I'd say it was a coin flip.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23584866 - 08/27/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was planning on a 1:2 spawn/sub ratio. If my spawn is weak, is there a more ideal ratio I should shoot for? thanks man.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23585686 - 08/28/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

here's the color of the myc with better lighting. what do y'all think?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23585691 - 08/28/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would swap the lens on your potato and try again :vaped:


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: liloldme]
    #23585727 - 08/28/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

GAHHH :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23585732 - 08/28/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's chill man I'm just playing with you, it's hard to get a good opinion with something out of focus.
Like pasty said, flip that coin and see where it lands


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: liloldme]
    #23585748 - 08/28/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no I know man, I'm just stressing a little now since things arent lookin great. I think I might of put too much spores in, each bag got 3.3 cc


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23585773 - 08/28/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're a gambling man putting strait spores into that much grain. Have you played with agar yet? It's fun. Check out Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: liloldme]
    #23585783 - 08/28/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I havent but I know about LC's and all that good stuff. I'm not at that advanced of a level though. I've grown once before a few years back, but it was in-vitro fruiting bags. It was so easy, 1 pound bags colonized in 3 wks and put out 1 oz dry per bag. But the guy isnt around anymore unfortunately.

I didn't realize it was risky putting spores in a 1 pound grain bag though. I thought it was a similar concept to what I was doing before.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23585792 - 08/28/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Agar is easier than easy mac but doesn't taste nearly as good. It's fun cause it feels advanced but it is really only phase one. Dork out on reading up, try his tek tomorrow and when you spawn that bag in a day or two(flipping ur coin) transfer a few grains to agar.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23586468 - 08/28/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I havent but I know about LC's and all that good stuff



LC's are not the good stuff :oldman2:

If you want to do this right you need to get into agar!


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23586484 - 08/28/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23586544 - 08/28/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23587544 - 08/28/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you want to do this right you need to get into agar!



Fair enough! I've been gone a while and was hoping to just dabble back into the hobby a little bit. I can't find the in-vitro fruiting bags anywhere though, but I'm honestly not surprised. They were so easy to use, that I figured the fuzz would eventually get involved and do something, get them out of business somehow.

But back to this grow, since I'm probably going to have 3 qts of weak spawn, is there an ideal ratio of substrate [coir/verm] I should spawn to? I was going to do a 1:2, but I want to do what's safest, ya know?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23596356 - 08/31/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23596763 - 08/31/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I spawned a few hours ago. Crossing my fingers now and hoping I have the touch. I did a little richer than a 1:2 ratio into coir/verm (Damion's bucket tek). The myc wasn't bright white, but it was definitely covering all of the rye, which I'm hoping is good enough. There were no funky smells or anything, it definitely had a myc scent. And then I cased with just enough coir to cover all the grain completely. Put duct tape on all the holes beforehand, and have the tub in a trash bag now, per the tek. Ambient temp right now is 79, and I'm not going to let it get any higher than that. Does it sound like I have a 50/50 shot here?

EDIT: I put a thermometer in the trash bag, and it was a couple degrees hotter (81) which I thought was too high, so I've taken the tub out of it.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23602985 - 09/01/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys, just looking for a little input here. I have a dark semi-translucent tub, that allows me to see inside, by shining a flashlight into the side of it. I noticed a couple small spots, where the thin coir layer was a little spotty. So I sterilized the area and myself, and quickly popped the lid off. I'm a little optimistic, because I swear I saw new white fuzzy growth down below, where the spawn is.

Anyway, I quickly covered up these small patches, with coir that was already in the tub (and theoretically pasteurized), but during this quick process, some water droplets from the lid dripped down onto the substrate. It was impossible to prevent, the way I was holding the lid, and now I'm stressing. How likely is it that I did any harm here? The substrate wasn't overly moist to begin with, which I made sure of, so I'm hoping that will work in my favor.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23603006 - 09/01/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pictures all deleted? I'm not seeing anything over hurr...
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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: morty422]
    #23603030 - 09/01/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I deleted the pics, I'm a little paranoid haha. They were only of the bags anyway, which I've since spawned with coir/verm in a smallish tub. I didn't take any pics of the inside of the tub yet tho, since I wanted to get the lid right on. Looking inside the tub there isn't much to see yet, still looks like a top layer of just coir/verm, with water condensation covering the walls and lid.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23603039 - 09/01/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't be paranoid, we're all swimming in a sea of mushrooms over here. 


You'd have to be at least a little egotistical to think yours would stand out. :wink:


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23603046 - 09/01/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

but you didn't really chime in though haha, could water droplets dripping down on the sub be harmful on day 2?


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23603057 - 09/01/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not particularly unless the water droplets happened to harbor contaminants.  If everything's pretty clean then it's not that big of a deal.  A water droplet from a dirty tub falling on a substrate though.. that could cause issues.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23603066 - 09/01/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok thanks, that's kind of encouraging. I did wash the entire tub / lid with dish soap and hot water, and I sprayed it with isopropyl / wiped right before the initial closing.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23603098 - 09/01/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If it's the first time you've used said tub for growing, and it's fairly new from the store, you probably didn't even need to do that.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23603117 - 09/01/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If it's the first time you've used said tub for growing, and it's fairly new from the store, you probably didn't even need to do that.




You underestimate what can happen between 'Walmart shelf" and "Spawning the Tub".

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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23603123 - 09/01/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've never used it for growing, but I bought it last year, and used it on vacation for random stuff once when I drove down to FL


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23603984 - 09/02/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Eh probably a good idea to wipe it down in such a case.  I'm probably about to completely re-purchase my whole collection of tubs, some of them are old enough that I feel paranoid about them for the fact that I can't actually sterilize them.  Fuckin..  mold myc fragments lodged in there and shit probably.


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    #23604966 - 09/02/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Eh probably a good idea to wipe it down in such a case.  I'm probably about to completely re-purchase my whole collection of tubs, some of them are old enough that I feel paranoid about them for the fact that I can't actually sterilize them.  Fuckin..  mold myc fragments lodged in there and shit probably.




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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: morty422]
    #23605043 - 09/02/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I only have one clear tub, all the rest are opaque. :lol:

I would definitely be doing myself a favor to trade em out for good sterilites.  Most of my tubs are from a good few years ago when I just got the cheapest shit I could find to get started.  Saran wrap duct tape windows in the lids and shit.  Problem is, I dulled out my hole saw on that whole load of tubs and anything else I try to put holes in will be at least a little janky.  So far I've invested in and upgraded every aspect other than that.  Need to go get like $100 worth of different sized clear tubs.

Basically, it seems like once you've been working with any one piece of starter equipment for too long, you need to start looking at it as a possible vector.  Jars, tubs, lids, pasty plates, etc.

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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23607039 - 09/03/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not getting my hopes up yet, but things are looking good inside the tub. I found a better way to peek inside by shining the light directly over the lid. Those 2 "spotty areas" that I covered the other night weren't what I was thinking, they were really spots where the myc was already eating up the top coir layer! Because there's now over 10 more of them in there, and they're bright white. I can also see more spots of colonization right through the side, faintly when I shine the light. No signs of contams either, crossing my fingers.

The thing I'm a little concerned with now, is my sub isn't completely level. It tapers down lower in the corners a little, but nothing substantial. There's also a lot of spots where there's tiny peaks of substrate, but I'd say no higher than 1/4" over the base level. There's also a spot on the inside, where there's a little bit of moist coir stuck to the wall, but it's down near the substrate. I'm hesitant to open it up again though, unless any of that stuff is posing a potential problem.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23607226 - 09/03/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If the surrounding substrate isn't colonized stick a clean finger in there and knock over the tall piles of substrate.  They can take forever to colonize and a flat surface is significantly better for pinning.  Don't worry about the indentations, but if you can flatten out the hills by sweeping them over, you maybe should.  Opening it won't do anything bad.  Mushrooms grown outside are in an open box all the time, because there is no box.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23607261 - 09/03/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, thanks for the tips. Do you think I'm sort of out of the woods for contams now, since the myc bounced back strong after 3 days, or is it always a looming possibility? I'm not concerned about a problem after 1-2 flushes, but it would suck to lose the whole tub beforehand.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23607272 - 09/03/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Contams come from the grain itself so, if you didn't fuck up already, it'll be REALLY hard to fuck up now.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23607334 - 09/03/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK nice. I was definitely worried about bacterial contam before, but I figure if that was the case, the spawn wouldn't have smelled like straight myc. I tried this last year, and that's what happened. It was winter so the air was a lot drier/cooler, things were much slower growing, and eventually I could smell a rotten stench through the patches. I'm just guessing here, but I think the reason why my growth slowed down this time is because there was too much moisture. I put 3.3 cc spores per bag, and I could see some overly moist patches of grain afterwards. Myc was growing strong in a matter of days and looked very healthy, but when I mixed I think by redistributing that excess moisture, it made it a tougher environment for strong growth. That's why I made sure my bulk sub wasn't overly wet. I kept the most damp stuff at the bottom of the bucket and didn't use it. So my ratio is probably around 1:1.9, instead of the 1:2 I was planning on.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23607395 - 09/03/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Bacteria is probably there 99% of the time whether it looks like it or not, it's just a question of to what degree.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23607547 - 09/03/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

True, that makes sense. I'm hoping since I didn't smell any foul odor, it was still at an early stage. The myc seems happy with the new food though. I wanted to add a little gypsum, but I ended up doing just coir/verm at 4:1


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23607952 - 09/03/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just leveled off the little hills, but I'm really hoping I didn't accidentally introduce any contams. I did it right after getting out of the shower and even sprayed my hands with isopropyl, but here's my worry: I use my phone for a flashlight in one hand, and because of the location of the tub, I had to switch hands to get to all of it (didn't think of this before). I only used my index fingers to do it, and even though my actual fingertip may have not touched the [dirty] phone, it was still very close to it when I was initially holding it. Who the hell knows what's on there. And yes, I should have thought of this beforehand, but SHIT!


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23609769 - 09/03/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does anyone have a guess if what I did was potentially catastrophic? The worst case scenario is that my fingertip touched my phone before finishing. I had the lid off for less than 1 minute, and I only touched the top layer which is coir/verm. I took care to avoid all the visible myc patches, but it's possible I inadvertently lightly grazed it. My [iphone] isn't filthy looking, I do wash it occasionally with isopropyl, but it's still gotta be harboring nasties. What do you guys think?! THANKS! :shocked:


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: user265896]
    #23610015 - 09/04/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think you are worrying just a little too much.


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Re: how do these bags look? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23610053 - 09/04/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you! That's exactly what I needed to hear hahah :cool:


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