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    #23581117 - 08/26/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so I have read a ton on here about Maitake- but there is lots of varying information, some things that have directly contradicted my observations (though keeping in mind outliers), and just about everything is at least 3 years old. Anyone have recent experience with this strain?

Questions:

1: I have read all over that this species actually prefers the dark- odd in our current level of understanding of most fruiting fungi. This also contradicts my observations of colonization- as my colonizing room is also my fruiting room (and bedroom, lol, can't wait to get a bigger house!) and I have multiple species growing so it has been wooded to sunlight most of the day.

2: In what I have read they still were adamant about hardwood- when in my observations, and I believe Feather's as well, I (we) have seen much quicker colonization on pine than on oak (in my case). Is this an indication that perhaps most of this information is outdated?

3: The majority of what I have seen is people fruiting off of the top, though a fair amount on the side as well. Which is better?

4: How long should I consolodate? Most of what I've seen is 2 months- but my colonization time was much quicker on the pine than they were quoting for their hardwood- and my oak bag still isn't 50% with the pine having been 100% for a few days now - should I keep that in mind when gauging how long I consolodate for?

5: Most people seem to wait for "brains" forming invitro before cutting the bag off just around it. This seems a little counterintuitive to me. Any personal experience on this?

6: Cold shocking. I've seen most do it- but not all- and not much in the way of a timeline for it.

Well it looks like at the very least I can do some experimenting on this species. I will undertake a bunch of runs using different techniques and log and upload the data. I'm currently working on an excell spreadsheet for every detail from who I got the wedge from to dates and temps that I will make available online at some point too.

Any assistance on this is greatly appreciated!


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23581162 - 08/26/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you haven't seen it yet. The guys writes this few posts under: "They are fully colonized in about 14 days. Start forming brains inventor at around 30-45 days. They are then cased and put into fruiting. It's about another 14-20 days until there ready to harvest. "


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: RogerSmith]
    #23581310 - 08/26/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet thanks for the link. I wonder what he cased with? Also that time line does seem to coincide more with my experience so far.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23582711 - 08/27/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

a lot of it is probably strain dependent.  I havent fruited them but everyone I know says it takes about 6 weeks for the brains to start forming in incubation, then put them in fruiting.  fruiting should be about 60-65F at 95-99% RH or they will stall.  could maybe swing a lower humidity if you case and water regularly.  but they apparently take FOREVER in fruiting, like 2+ weeks from brain to harvest.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: drake89]
    #23583316 - 08/27/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cool thanks Drake


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23583339 - 08/27/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

does anyone find the Maitake mycelium to be wispier than other strains?
good to know they do just as well or even better on pine than on hardwood...post your progress on this grow if you can. I'm interested in seeing how it turns out for you


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    #23583820 - 08/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Will do. Pine so far has been consolidating for about 6 days and the oak is at about 60%.  As soon as I build my flowhood I'll drop a few more Maitake- do some supplemented side by side runs too. I'll upload all of my findings to share with the community.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23608860 - 09/03/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It looks like we have some brains on the pine!



So now, should I cold shock them even though they've already started pinning? Or are we talking about outdated info here? I would have to say for a reasonable certainty (of course more tests and evidence will need to be done), that since my timeline is on par or even a little faster than those that I have read I would say the "complete darkness" is bunk just like other outdated info on other strains. Do they really need a cold shock when they are already "braining"? From all that I've read these sounded way more difficult than they have been- though perhaps the cultivators were using hardwood instead of pine.

I'm kinda just feeling my way through this one so any input would be greatly appreciated. Already got my GH dialed in to maintain 95%+rh as per Drake's reccomendation- although I still don't know what I should case with, nor when to apply it. Once again your input is greatly valued, I've done a lot of reading but some of the info either is sparse, or is contradicted by someone else.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23608890 - 09/03/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I really don't know ,but the usual casing is peat,vermiculite,and lime sterilized. I would think that would be a good place to start.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: Quadman]
    #23608916 - 09/03/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I really don't know ,but the usual casing is peat,vermiculite,and lime sterilized. I would think that would be a good place to start.




Sterilized? How would I case sterilized? Plus the original bag was simply pasteurized. Am I not understanding something here? Wouldn't sterilizing lead to more contams as I didn't sterilize the sub and will be doing it in open air and will then be fruited in a non sterile GH? Also, that casing sounds more like a Cube PE casing than a woodlover to me.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23609697 - 09/03/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm bad , peat and vermiculite 50/50 pasteurized at 170 for 1.5 hrs. Sorry memory not what it used to be. Mushfarmer says straight coarse vermiculite yet most all his videos show peat/ vermiculite on his Kings.


The maitake link, his videos all appear to have straight peat ? On his maitake bags

Even if casing was sterile , the idea of casing is moisture retention and a substrate with little/ no nutrients. Vermiculite is just popped mica (rock). Peat is clean organic matter few things like to grow on it.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: Quadman]
    #23609735 - 09/03/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

At what point do you think I should case?

Do I still need to cold shock them?


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23610130 - 09/04/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maitake is most definitely one of the most challenging mushroom to grow in my opinion.
I've only grown them once, but the long wait is worth the taste experience for sure.
here's how i did it.

The substrate was 10%bran enriched sawdust, sterilized @15psi for 90 min.
full colonization took about 5 weeks, bags started pinning in the incubator about 3 months after inoc.

I let them pin until they looked like this, and then cut them open.



made 10 bags all together, half of them i cut open completelym with the other half i cut small air holes at the top.

the fruiting took 32 days...


a bag that i cased with vermiculite stopped growing after casing, don't know why...


but here's the final result.


If someone figures out a way how to get them to fruit from one hole, that'd be great.

brotip: your poo the next day after eating maitake will smell identical to a bag of weed :wink:

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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: casualgrower]
    #23610269 - 09/04/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha awesome, thanks casual! So you recommend no casing then?


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23610300 - 09/04/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

to be honest, i don't really know for sure.
i've read people having great results by casing them.
The one bag i cased didn't like it, but it might have been some other parameter that went wrong.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: casualgrower]
    #23610412 - 09/04/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool. That's the thing when there are this many variables. I think for this first run I'll go invaded and on the next run do half and half to see for myself.

Did you cold shock yours?


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23610623 - 09/04/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Following... I have a couple 5lb blocks of maitake. Spawned 12 days ago and about 80% colonized right now. Hardwood fuel pellets, wheat bran and gypsum... same recipe i use for shiitakes. I dont really know what my plan is at this point.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: casualgrower]
    #23610706 - 09/04/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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maitake is most definitely one of the most challenging mushroom to grow in my opinion.
I've only grown them once, but the long wait is worth the taste experience for sure.
here's how i did it.

The substrate was 10%bran enriched sawdust, sterilized @15psi for 90 min.
full colonization took about 5 weeks, bags started pinning in the incubator about 3 months after inoc.

I let them pin until they looked like this, and then cut them open.



made 10 bags all together, half of them i cut open completelym with the other half i cut small air holes at the top.

the fruiting took 32 days...


a bag that i cased with vermiculite stopped growing after casing, don't know why...


but here's the final result.


If someone figures out a way how to get them to fruit from one hole, that'd be great.

brotip: your poo the next day after eating maitake will smell identical to a bag of weed :wink:

shroom on.




Suweeeeet!  Where'd you get the culture?


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23614782 - 09/05/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well I have decided not to cold shock. I was still considering it- but each day has brought more brains as you'll see below. I really wish 2 of my bags hadn't contamed so I could play around a bit with it. I have also desired not to case- though a good bit of that reason is because I have the rest of my verm to a protégé for his first cube grows.  It's looking like a lot of the information I read about Maitake may not be up to date- though I will only know for sure by running a bunch more through using various techniques.



I am a little worried about my GH. I work really long hours and my humidibucket runs out of water. I know this strain loves really high humidity but I'm not sure I can provide it consistently.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23618228 - 09/06/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



Try to get more air in your bags, the bag should def not touch the top of the substrate in primordia formation- i used to hang the bag an let it inflate through the microfilter.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: casualgrower]
    #23618358 - 09/06/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh ok, thanks for the tip! How did you inflate through the patch? Just use your mouth? I had gotten so used to trying to keep my oysters from top pinning I didn't even think about that.


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Re: Maitake Questions [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23650189 - 09/16/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Update: brains are slowly getting larger. After they initially popped up overnight I thought for sure they would be more prolific by now, but I guess people weren't lying about long time to fruit!



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    #23684817 - 09/27/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Brains have gotten significantly larger, but haven't seen any new ones added. Time to fruit?



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