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Invisiblebob5

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Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy
    #23580164 - 08/26/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hello,
Today i've discovered the naturally occurring psychoactive: Ibogaine
It's a powerful substance; touted for it's anti-addictive property mainly - BUT it seems to have much more going for it than that.
I don't have a need for it's anti addictiveness as i'm off everything i'd like to get off - However, i've read it's not just related to drugs - people have had reductions in other areas; excessive video-gaming for example
I've read ibogaine also helps people engage in therapy. (And not just focus but makes people more 'pliable' or open to change e.t.c.)

So, why do i want it in the first place?
I'm going to be in hospital for several months getting full-on psychotherapy. I've had extreme anxiety issues all my life, and having been an out-patient for the last five years it's time i tried something more intensive.

This is a one off opportunity - i have to make the most of this.
Which is why i'm considering ibogaine or maybe an ayahausca brew.
I'm basically wanting a profound psychedelic experience  - not a trip, per se..  at the moment i'm just interested in the next few months in intensive therapy
and anything that can offer me insight and prepare me to focus and absorb like my life counts on it, {come inpatient treatment.}
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So the problem with ibogaine is it's thought that several people have died due to it even at therapeutic doses + it's expensive.
There's speculation that it can interfere with the heart somehow - QT prolongation was one thing i saw mentioned a few times..

Has anyone here tried it? I'm fascinated by it from the stuff i've read so far.
I'm seriously concerned that it could kill me, however.

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: bob5]
    #23580488 - 08/26/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wholly unnecessary for psychotherapy. The uniqueness of ibogaine therapy should be reserved for hardened adiction, not typical mental illness (especially anxiety!).

Youd be better off using mushrooms and MDMA. The 5HT1 agonism combined with the releasing action of the MDMA would give a brief period of relief from overactive neurotransmitters and the experience would give a great deal of insight and grounding prior to going to the hospital.

Second best would be mescaline.

In general, anything that tickles the NMDA receptor is going to be a bad idea. That includes ibogaine.


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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: QT3BFLEE]
    #23580697 - 08/26/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In the absence of mushrooms, would you recommend mescaline over mdma?
I'd dearly love to mix mushrooms and mdma again - but sadly no shrooms currently.

thanks for your input on the ibogaine, think i'll give that a miss.

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: bob5]
    #23581078 - 08/26/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What's your psychedelic background use? You sure it's not something that simply just mushrooms could heal/fix? For many individuals mushrooms are even more therapeutic than things like ayahuasca.

I understand being interested in something like Ibogaine but I doubt ayahuasca will be anymore of an effective medicine than mushrooms and if it is it's probably placebo and/or the setting and context they're taken it.

Take mushrooms with the same mindset someone would have when taking ayahuasca and I'm sure you'll be very surprised to say the least.

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23581088 - 08/26/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whoa my post messed up and it was supposed to be there hours ago. Oh well but why can't you get mushrooms? You're willing to go for something like Iboga but not shrooms?

I think if anxiety is what you're trying to get rid of look no further than psilocybin. I don't think there is a better "cure" for depression/anxiety than the mushroom.

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23581810 - 08/26/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You are correct - ibogaine is unique in its treatment for something such as opiate addiction because it A) stops the withdrawal symptoms through its receptor affinities and B) has a lasting effect psychological and physical upon the patient that gives them the spiritual strength to stop.  They are both sides of the same coin that is recovery.

I hear that although it doesn't negate something like amphetamine withdrawals, it can help someone with their addiction by showing them what the addiction has done in a way that induces the clarity to stop and the will too stop.

You seem to have chronic anxiety issues, and use something like video games to divert the anxiety or deal with it.  Chronic anxiety doesn't go away unless you have CBT from an external therapist, or do intense self-therapy under the guidance of a teacher/therapist.  In this way, psychedelics and entheogens will now be your allies as they give you the will and knowledge to change.

I definitely reccomend something like an MDMA + mushrooms low dosages of both to engage your psyche closer and get a better idea.  Both ayausca and ibogaine are strong trips - as in they induce blackout stages where one will say things and do things they only remember later - so you need to be very careful and usually not alone.


Ibogaine I will say is most effective for opiate withdrawal - a smaller proper dosage of the TA spectrum or root bark stops opiate withdrawals in their tracks for the first few days and a flood dosage wipes clean the mind after the two day trip and leaves one without any withdrawals and the spiritual strength to stay clean.  Move this opiate user out of their old environment and give them what they need to satiate their personal needs and coping mechanisms develop properly, you'll watch some actually change and quit rather then "change and quit".

You need to have mad respect for ibogaine - it's powerful and can kill you (albeit this is usually within combinations of other drugs/illicit usage) yet it's happened in legal professional settings.  Ayauhasca is safer physically, but mentally can re-render one's understanding of the universe in a way that could make you more strung out then ever.

I have chronic anxiety syndrome, so much it's literally something they could physically measure - Buddhism, self-therapy, and alliances with plants and medicines has gotten me the closest to healing - in tandem with therapy whether it be friends, family, or a professional.

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #23581963 - 08/26/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Typerwritermonky said:
Both ayausca and ibogaine are strong trips - as in they induce blackout stages where one will say things and do things they only remember later - so you need to be very careful




Mushrooms are no different

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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23582374 - 08/27/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Anxiety and panic attacks are likely the result of poor diet. Too many carbs and sugar with not enough protein causes low blood sugar. The body puts out adrenaline to raise the blood sugar and anxiety and panic go along with it. Inositol, a B vitamin, is good for relieving anxiety and panic, it tastes sweet and isn't toxic.

Bad diet can definitely cause extreme psychological problems and a good diet can reverse them. I recommend getting into nutrition.

Lacto/ovo vegetarian is the best kind of diet.


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Re: Ibogaine as a conjunct for therapy [Re: endogenous]
    #23582660 - 08/27/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Typerwritermonky - thanks that was a very helpful post.
The mushroom and mdma combo is the best feeling i've had on anything, i felt so at peace - i think you might be onto something with that combination for some interpersonal stuff.
Interesting about the carbs / protein causing anxiety.. i do notice that.

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