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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: elax420]
    #23636786 - 09/11/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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elax420 said:
Nah dude the Clinton's own Washington


Nice pipe dream though.


I wonder if Bernie would have even lost a state :lol:




He wouldve lost Texas and a few plains states, and won everything else.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23637907 - 09/12/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well looks like the Dems are gonna dump good ole Hitlery after her fainting spell...and it looks like Tim Kaine will be the next soulless demon hooked up to the establishments puppet strings.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23637913 - 09/12/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Bernie would have performed well possibly even beating Trump, BUT the old man just isn't healthy enough either, what is it with the Dem's? Both of their candidate's belong in nursing homes  :shrug:


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy] * 2
    #23637937 - 09/12/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trump is older than Hillary and seems to be at the early stages of dementia.  This is the worst pair of frontrunner candidates we've had in my lifetime.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23637949 - 09/12/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol early stages of dementia!? :laugh2:...

With all due respect sir, I think you might have dementia...that is the most ridiculous anti-Trump claim yet...He's the only candidate that makes any sense in the last 30 years...


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy] * 2
    #23638205 - 09/12/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He is the only one to have made sense the past 30 years? Do you listen when he is talking or ever seen
his speech transcribed? Beyond the fact that it reads like a fifth graders assignment with a minimum sentence
requirement, he's like a fortune cookie, not really saying anything at all. "I hear rumors" "Others have been saying"
"I have a plan" "Believe me" "Its going to be so great, you aren't even going to believe it"

Hes hardly the first politician to promise to build a wall or bring manufacturing home.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23638233 - 09/12/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
He is the only one to have made sense the past 30 years? Do you listen when he is talking or ever seen
his speech transcribed? Beyond the fact that it reads like a fifth graders assignment with a minimum sentence
requirement, he's like a fortune cookie, not really saying anything at all. "I hear rumors" "Others have been saying"
"I have a plan" "Believe me" "Its going to be so great, you aren't even going to believe it"

Hes hardly the first politician to promise to build a wall or bring manufacturing home.




He's giving a speech right now to some National Guard unit.  He said these, and I quote, are "serious, serious bad days for our country."

You say fifth grade level, I say third.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23638240 - 09/12/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
He is the only one to have made sense the past 30 years? Do you listen when he is talking or ever seen
his speech transcribed? Beyond the fact that it reads like a fifth graders assignment with a minimum sentence
requirement, he's like a fortune cookie, not really saying anything at all. "I hear rumors" "Others have been saying"
"I have a plan" "Believe me" "Its going to be so great, you aren't even going to believe it"

Hes hardly the first politician to promise to build a wall or bring manufacturing home.




He's the first politician to address trade agreements in over 25 years, for that he deserves credit.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: qman]
    #23638254 - 09/12/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BULLSHIT

Maybe you haven't noticed because it was those nasty libtard Democrats who
had reservations about Free Trade. Its good you made 25 years your limit, as
1992 was Ross Perot's big run (also ran in 1996) and trade deals were his whole
shtick.

It is the GOP that finally has got a candidate to agree with the view of the Dems
(who are now, admittedly, much more vocal this year b/c Bernie+Trump) and the unions.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23638281 - 09/12/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We ARE in bad days,  our country is in dire straits. If you fail to recognize this then it is you who is at a third grade comprehension level.

Stop nitpicking on words and listen to his message. If you don't like an America first, fair/free trade, capitalist economy and you would prefer a more socialist environment I suggest you move to Venezuela. It sounds like you need a first hand experience of what a socialist country is really like.
Be sure to write me a letter about how fantastic it is when your survival relies on hunting songbirds and rats with a sling shot since all the dogs and cats and animals in the zoos have already been eaten. :shrug:


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23638294 - 09/12/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
BULLSHIT

Maybe you haven't noticed because it was those nasty libtard Democrats who
had reservations about Free Trade. Its good you made 25 years your limit, as
1992 was Ross Perot's big run (also ran in 1996) and trade deals were his whole
shtick.

It is the GOP that finally has got a candidate to agree with the view of the Dems
(who are now, admittedly, much more vocal this year b/c Bernie+Trump) and the unions.




Yes, in 1992 many D's were the against NAFTA, but that was a LONG time ago, since then D's have been "free trade" proponents.

Other than Bernie and Trump, no politicians have even addressed the issue for debate.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: qman]
    #23638320 - 09/12/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The oh so wonderful Democrat "Big Willie" brought us the total disaster NAFTA, which gutted out country. Now his God awful dreadfully ill wife wants to bring us into the TPP. Another wonderful progressive Globalist scam to take the last bit of life out of this country.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23638489 - 09/12/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't say anything about the state of the country. There are a lot of problems, no disagreement there.

Trump is clearly against free trade. Fair trade and Free trade are opposites, anyone who doesn't recognize
that fair/free trade is oxymoronic doesn't understand one or the other term. Fair trade has historically been
those hippies selling "ethically-produced, sustainable harvested, hemp-flavored soda" (which turn out to be
all lies). Fair trade is about assisting developing nations protect themselves from the assholish trade practices of
nations like the US.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23638507 - 09/12/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
is healthcare a commodity?  Does one retain access to healthcare when one crosses state lines?  boom, interstate commerce, baby.  Who has purview over laws regarding interstate commerce again?  i can't quite remember...if only i had a link to the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8...

Quote:

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;





lets see, what else? 

Quote:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States




Quote:

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.







You are reading "regulate" and interpreting "mandate". Article 1 section 8(should be a link around here somewhere) does not give congress the power to mandate healthcare. They can regulate commerce between states, they can't force citizens to buy assets off of the open market, from private entities. That is a violation of both liberty and property and contrary to a free society.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23638525 - 09/12/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
I didn't say anything about the state of the country. There are a lot of problems, no disagreement there.

Trump is clearly against free trade. Fair trade and Free trade are opposites, anyone who doesn't recognize
that fair/free trade is oxymoronic doesn't understand one or the other term. Fair trade has historically been
those hippies selling "ethically-produced, sustainable harvested, hemp-flavored soda" (which turn out to be
all lies). Fair trade is about assisting developing nations protect themselves from the assholish trade practices of
nations like the US.




Hmm, these developing nations are on the winning side of these "free trade" agreements, only shareholders are the other winners, the losers are US workers.

"assholish trade practices of nations like the US"

Like letting countries like China to manipulation their currencies?  It takes two to tangle.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
    #23638534 - 09/12/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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amp244 said:
They can regulate commerce between states, they can't force citizens to buy assets off of the open market, from private entities. That is a violation of both liberty and property and contrary to a free society.




Obamacare contains no such mandate.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23638542 - 09/12/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crumist said:
BULLSHIT

Maybe you haven't noticed because it was those nasty libtard Democrats who
had reservations about Free Trade. Its good you made 25 years your limit, as
1992 was Ross Perot's big run (also ran in 1996) and trade deals were his whole
shtick.

It is the GOP that finally has got a candidate to agree with the view of the Dems
(who are now, admittedly, much more vocal this year b/c Bernie+Trump) and the unions.



Trump is eerily reminiscent of Perot. Both were talking about trade deals.


Al Gore is such a douche. Perot comes in at 4:30... It actually gets testy...


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23638549 - 09/12/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Quote:

amp244 said:
They can regulate commerce between states, they can't force citizens to buy assets off of the open market, from private entities. That is a violation of both liberty and property and contrary to a free society.




Obamacare contains no such mandate.




Obama care is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. It was designed to bankrupt Americans not help us. If you want socialized medicine and all the drawbacks that come with it, renounce your citizenship and move to Canada. Then you can wait an ungodly amount of time for some given procedure until eventually it's too late and your either gonna die or come back to the US to pay for better medical care lol.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23638568 - 09/12/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Quote:

amp244 said:
They can regulate commerce between states, they can't force citizens to buy assets off of the open market, from private entities. That is a violation of both liberty and property and contrary to a free society.




Obamacare contains no such mandate.



You must obtain health insurance, or the state penalizes you. You either obtain health insurance, pay a fine, or become a criminal. I can understand if your argument is that the law does not contain language specifically saying that it "mandates healthcare". I haven't read the entire bill, and I'm sure you haven't either. Regardless of your take on it, the law is structured so as to mandate healthcare. It was all about universal healthcare, remember? Everyone in the Country insured.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244] * 2
    #23638593 - 09/12/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No.  There is no penalty for not getting insurance.  There is simply a tax break for getting insurance. 

And yes, I have read it.


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