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hostileuniverse
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No, she doesn't have to give speeches, hold press conferences, or anything like that. She knows the more she is seen and heard, the lower her poll numbers go, she knows to let the media carry her, it's the best plan she has.
Imagine if the media scrutinized her the way they do Trump, the election would be over, lol
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She doesn't give speeches anyway. I was talking about 'screeches'
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
#23603172 - 09/01/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Good, we're aligned.
So what you're saying is that no one on Obamacare who qualifies for a subsidy was paying full price for health insurance before, and therefore no one's wealth is going up (only their health?) Yes, you did say that above: "The people who could afford a $5000 plan before, don't qualify for subsidies now."
Did you know that many people ARE saving a lot of money with Obamacare? If you understand #1 above, then you have to agree those people who are saving money got an increase in their wealth as a result. 
Plus, if we implement a single payer healthcare system, the wealth of the middle class would go up even further still, as they'd pay less in extra taxes than the healthcare savings they would get by eliminating today's premiums.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Good, we're aligned.
So what you're saying is that no one on Obamacare who qualifies for a subsidy was paying full price for health insurance before, and therefore no one's wealth is going up (only their health?) Yes, you did say that above: "The people who could afford a $5000 plan before, don't qualify for subsidies now."
Did you know that many people ARE saving a lot of money with Obamacare? If you understand #1 above, then you have to agree those people who are saving money got an increase in their wealth as a result. 
Plus, if we implement a single payer healthcare system, the wealth of the middle class would go up even further still, as they'd pay less in extra taxes than the healthcare savings they would get by eliminating today's premiums.
This has been debunked repeatedly, the only ones who would see any "free healthcare" are those who don't pay taxes

Keep living in fantasy land, your ignorance is stunning
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Who the fuck suggested the healthcare was free? TINSTAAFL!
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hostileuniverse said: the only ones who would see any "free healthcare" are those who don't pay taxes
That's almost half the country
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amp244
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
#23604500 - 09/02/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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amp244 said: Ironically, you wouldn't be able to enjoy your pampered lifestyle as you do today if everybody tried to be like you, subsisting completely off of the charity and labor of other people.
I'm subsisting completely off of the labor of other people, but not off of their charity. If the government didn't force them to pay taxes and weren't forced itself (by the threat of civil unrest as you pointed out) to provide a welfare state, no one would give me a dime. A beggar on the street relies on charity, a welfare checkster does not.
Ok, here is where we left off. I was about to explain to you why you don't deserve a dime.
Take the basic Robinson Caruso style, stranded on an island example (the following post) to find out why:
-------------------- How to Convert a Normal 24-hour Light Timer into a Short Cycle Repeating Timer "Monopoly, besides, is a great enemy to good management, which can never be universally established but in consequence of that free and universal competition which forces everybody to have recourse in it for the sake of self-defense." -Adam Smith
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244] 1
#23604503 - 09/02/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alyssa, Falcon, Hostile Universe, and Enlil are all stranded on an uninhabited island in international waters. Everyone has a sandwich, two bottles of water, a swiss army knife, and tattered clothing from Hostile Universe's drunken yachting accident. More importantly they each have physically healthy minds and bodies, and souls of varying evilness. There is one rifle, a set of tools, matches, a can of lighter fluid, a roll of cloth, and some rope. At present, their priorities are securing food, water, shelter, and clothing.
The four hold assembly to decide on a course of action. Enlil quickly points out that given the circumstances the U.S. law no longer applies and all contractual agreements made henceforth will be non-binding. He says some other shit about natural law, but nobody cares.
Alyssa wastes no time making her proposition, “You guys can do all the work to keep us alive, I’ll just tell you what to do, control all of the stuff you produce, and ration it off to you as I see fit. Don’t worry, I’m really low on the evil spectrum. I’m not even a 2 on the scale.”
Boisterous merriment fills the forest as the three men erupt in laughter. Alyssa nervously forces a chuckle and plays it off like it was a joke. Then Falcon proposes the separation of labor: each person addresses a separate need, in order that everyone can benefit from the labor of the others through trade. Enlil and Hostile quickly concur, but Alyssa remains silent. Nobody else takes note of Alyssa’s silent dissent, and they all move forward.
“I don’t know about all that legalese you speak, but where I’m from we shake hands on agreements.” exclaimed Hostile, “Put ‘er there, partners!”
They all agree and shake, but seeing the seeds of the patriarchy beginning to germinate right in front of her eyes, Alyssa has her fingers crossed behind her back. ‘These oppressive men won’t take me down No, no, no… This is war!’ she murmurs softly under her breath. “So who is doing what?” She asks aloud.
Hostile Universe had previously heard stories of ostrich style land birds called Qmans that inhabit the island. Legend has it that these are the most sage of all birds, and hold spiritual power. Overfilled with glee, he grabs the rifle and runs off to hunt them for food. Falcon decides he will get the water, and Enlil says that he will sew clothes.
“That means you start gathering materials for the shelter Alyssa, cool?” inquires Enlil.
Alyssa flippantly replies: “Yea, whatever”
Everyone goes to task, except Alyssa who merely walks to where she would like to have a shelter placed for her. While waiting for the men to come back with the necessities, she eats her sandwich and drinks both her bottles of water.
When they return 4 hours later and she calls them over to the site, they are astonished to find that she has done no work whatsoever. It is almost sun down and there is nary a log, branch, or twig gathered. Unsure of the BigBadWolves that may creep in the night, Enlil, Falcon, and Hostile begin frantically gathering materials. They have been working all day, have gotten hungry again, and should be treating themselves to some fresh qman meat, but because of one member of society not pulling her share, they have to forgo the comfort and pleasure of eating to provide themselves shelter. They are sweating, sore, and collectively smell like a latrine. All of them, save for Princess Alyssa, of course.
After 10 or 15 minutes of working they see Alyssa, no perspiration whatsoever, trying on her new clothes and refilling her water bottles. Falcon begins to get aggressive.
“Get off your fucking ass and get to work! What the fuck is wrong with you!” he scolds “I’ll be damned if you’re going to drink my water without helping out!”
Enlil becomes enraged, “Yea and take your filthy hands of my clothing! What have you given in exchange?”
“At least prepare and cook the qman!” cries hostile.
“Fine, whatever, I’ll cook the qman.”
Alyssa goes over to the heaping sack of feathered flesh that is the qman. She stands back gasping as she catches a glimpse of the sacred qman gizzard. Ceremonial gizzard consumption is said to be the doorway to the celestial plane. But according to tradition, the rest of the qman must be a burnt offering to the great Flamingo, Foloch, and must not be consumed. She pulls out her swiss army knife and jumps into action, removing the qman gizzard, and dousing the rest of the bird in lighter fluid. She strikes a match and sets the bird carcass aflame. She then begins dancing around the flaming carcass, gnawing and gnashing at the gizzard, grunting and contorting awkwardly.
From afar, the other three see what has happened, and decide to punish her for her previous breach of contract. They intend to enforce their verbal contracts. A system of government is blossoming, and it hasn’t even been one day of anarchy…
“She is of no use to society, she is actually plundering away the productivity and endangering our lives. She eats our food, drinks our water, wears our clothes, but offers no produce of her own labor as compensation. She is a leach on the wealth of our society!” Proclaims Hostile.
A sinister look comes over Falcons face, “Yes, something must be done to remedy this…problem”
Meanwhile, back at the sacrificial burning, Alyssa can feel the spiritual realm creeping in and taking over her soul. A warm comforting sensation takes over her body as her mind gets swept away into the stars. She can feel the supreme Goddess. She reaches out and then… <CRACK!> Alyssa’s mind goes blank, and her body drops to the forest floor. Standing behind her is Falcon, holding a rock breathing heavily in an enraged state, the other two behind him with stern and angered grimaces.
Alyssa begins to toss and turn. Enlil runs over and rips the rock out of Falcon’s hands, jumping on top of Alyssa and delivering two more solid blows to the temple. She lay still, unconscious and bleeding heavily.
“What are we going to eat now? This qman is ruined!” cries Falcon.
Using his best orc voice, hostile holds up Alyssa’s slumping head, “Looks like meat’s back on the menu boys!”
Enlil and Falcon vomit.
They decide to cast her off and make a sacrificial offering to the Sea Goddess, perhaps that would bring good fortune and they may discover a stream abounding with tasty and nutritious fish. They tie her to a log, and set her adrift, for the betterment of society!
The next day they are rescued and they return to America to contribute to society, chill at the shroomery, and enjoy freedom.
The End
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
#23604552 - 09/02/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figured they would just take turns raping her since there were no laws.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: qman]
#23604567 - 09/02/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope they'd have more decency than that!
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: qman] 1
#23604803 - 09/02/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: I figured they would just take turns raping her since there were no laws. 
Sounds like sharia law...
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23606771 - 09/03/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the green party wins, real changes will be made in the political arena.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: jngy2k]
#23606843 - 09/03/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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jngy2k said: If the green party wins, real changes will be made in the political arena.
Well, not this election. Because it is too late for them to get the public attention. The democrats are using the green party to steal Trump's supporters away from him. .
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There's too many deceptive ads that are out there. Like Gary Johnson is with the Green Party. And which he never really actually commented on any Green party issues at all. They assumes that since he claims to be Green, that he thinks Green. But he never put that much emphasis on Green issues, but agree on issues that the democrats agrees on. And so that it leaves him to be a Vote robber for hillary. hillary tries to claim herself to be a Green party / democrat, that she claimed that she is for labeling GMO's. But later on, the women that had supported her had found out that she is really a corporate bought candidate for monsanto, that they stopped supporting her. But then democrats are posting ads about Trump is not for Green issues, trying to make him into someone that his only concerns is money. I have noticed that people that has not a soul, that they mimics those that has. They do not knows how to express their emotions, but they watches others to learn how to make facial expressions on how to be sincere so that they can get others to trust in them. Trump has an independent behavior that shows that he is not mocking other people behaviors, that he is being himself. But like hillary, she is still wondering how some people can make tears come from their eyes. She tries squinting her eyes really hard together every day trying to make tears comes from them, but not one tear drop appears.
Photos of her trying to make water come from her eyes...


Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat
"I am very much in favor of what Secretary Vilsack is trying to do. What he's trying to do as the Secretary of Agriculture for our country is to get a [GMO] labeling program started... http://2016election.procon.org/view.answers.election.php?questionID=002069
Hillary Clinton Reveals She’s Pro-GMO…Her Supporters Go Ape. http://joeforamerica.com/2014/07/hillary-clinton-reveals-shes-pro-gmoher-supporters-go-ape/
Gary Johnson’s stance on vaccination https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson/science/mandatory-vaccinations
Gary Johnson’s stance on gmo foods https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson/environmental/gmo-labels
Donald Trump says "Too much Monsanto in the Corn Creates Issues in the Brain" about Iowa Voters http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/blog/2015/oct/23/trump-insults-iowa-voters-takes-monsanto-immediately-caves-big-ag-farm-lobby
Donald Trump eats organic! http://www.naturalnews.com/050266_Donald_Trump_Warren_Buffet_organic_food.html
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Gary Johnson has never been in the Green Party. He's a libertarian.
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#23607132 - 09/03/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Gary Johnson has never been in the Green Party. He's a libertarian.
Correct. Gary Johnson is in the Libertarian Party. But he's NOT a Libertarian by any stretch of the word. He's a globalist operative. Follow the money!!! He is a Democrat party plant to steal votes from Trump. Funded by the Koch Brothers!! Jill Stein is actually a far better candidate then the snake Johnson, but we don't hear anything about her, because she is a WOMAN and would detract even more votes from Hillary's already sorry numbers.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
#23607143 - 09/03/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Gary Johnson has never been in the Green Party. He's a libertarian.
And so what party does he belong to?
The Libertarians want you to be free. For example, they insist that we all be free to buy whatever drugs we want, anytime, presumably anywhere. OxyContin? Heroin? Sure. We alone are responsible for what we do to ourselves. And guns? You got ‘em. No annoying background checks, registration, or gun safety training—just an unabridged right to own lots of your favorite weapons. http://napavalleyregister.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_5a5bb432-6667-5af6-a61b-4060a3e25245.html
Green libertarianism (also known as eco-libertarianism) is a hybrid political philosophy that has developed in the United States. Based upon a mixture of political third party values, such as the environmental and economic platform from the Green Party of the United States and the civil liberties platform of the U.S. Libertarian Party, the green libertarian philosophy attempts to consolidate progressive or agrarian values with libertarianism. While green libertarians have tended to associate with the U.S. Green Party, the movement has grown to encompass economic liberals who advocate free markets and commonly identify with contemporary American libertarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_libertarianism
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Very informative sir...I enjoyed the lesson, thank you!
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#23607202 - 09/03/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said:
He's a globalist operative. Follow the money!!! He is a Democrat party plant to steal votes from Trump. Funded by the Koch Brothers!!
You're new here, so I'm going to clue you in now so you can avoid trouble. This isn't the forum for conspiracy theories. We do have a forum for that, but this isn't it.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
#23607262 - 09/03/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Peteyboy said:
He's a globalist operative. Follow the money!!! He is a Democrat party plant to steal votes from Trump. Funded by the Koch Brothers!!
You're new here, so I'm going to clue you in now so you can avoid trouble. This isn't the forum for conspiracy theories. We do have a forum for that, but this isn't it.
Thanks man I appreciate the gesture. And I enjoy this discussion very much. I know I saw the conspiracy forum, But this isn't a conspiracy theory. These are real facts, look it up yourself my man. Just follow the money it tells you EVERYTHING!
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