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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
#23591813 - 08/29/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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When an area of town sees an increase in crime, the city often puts more cops on patrol in that area, making the location safer. Would you disagree?
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Doesn't even matter who we vote for, these people are already selected, Hillary is going to be the next president cause she will go down in history as being the first female president, plus she wouldn't of gotten away scott free of her crimes if she wasn't already going to be president, she would have been thrown in jail. The shadow government have a plan with her.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: When an area of town sees an increase in crime, the city often puts more cops on patrol in that area, making the location safer. Would you disagree?
Only with the "making the location safer" part.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Alyssa]
#23592276 - 08/30/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What is it you want the government to do to make you reasonably safe from violence?
I didn't say just safe from violence, although that's the most important thing. I said safe in general, but in a reasonable manner.
For example I'm a big proponent of the government violating people's personal privacy. All phone calls should be recorded and transcribed by computers, for example. Obviously the police need more money because they're not able to do an effective job combating crime. Religious profiling needs to be used; the government needs to target Muslims for FGM, domestic violence and terrorism, but they can't because of the liberals. The military needs a big enough budget to effectively defend the country against inside as well as outside threats (the way I see it, the military should be the super-police). Homeless people need to be taken off the streets, fed and sheltered, because living without shelter and/or food is unsafe.
Sounds a lot like you want NAZI Germany.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244] 1
#23592587 - 08/30/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What is it you want the government to do to make you reasonably safe from violence?
I didn't say just safe from violence, although that's the most important thing. I said safe in general, but in a reasonable manner.
For example I'm a big proponent of the government violating people's personal privacy. All phone calls should be recorded and transcribed by computers, for example. Obviously the police need more money because they're not able to do an effective job combating crime. Religious profiling needs to be used; the government needs to target Muslims for FGM, domestic violence and terrorism, but they can't because of the liberals. The military needs a big enough budget to effectively defend the country against inside as well as outside threats (the way I see it, the military should be the super-police). Homeless people need to be taken off the streets, fed and sheltered, because living without shelter and/or food is unsafe.
Sounds a lot like you want NAZI Germany.
I lolled.
/thread Godwin's law
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil] 1
#23593149 - 08/30/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Neither. Police serve a purpose, but I wouldn't say that I'm any safer in the net analysis because of them.
Hell yeah! Enlil the anarchist public defendant
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
#23593185 - 08/30/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Kinko]
#23593193 - 08/30/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Kinko]
#23593263 - 08/30/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither.
The modern politics have dumbed people down to beg for more limitations of liberties and freedoms. They even now call some of them "common sense" policies
Any limitation of freedoms or Liberty is just that but they trick people into giving away basic rights for legislation they call common sense but it couldn't be further away from common sense.
Common sense says no potential safety is worth limiting potential freedoms ever!
Remind anyone of the gun legislation going on now?
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Maroon]
#23593292 - 08/30/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither.
The modern politics have dumbed people down to beg for more limitations of liberties and freedoms. They even now call some of them "common sense" policies
Any limitation of freedoms or Liberty is just that but they trick people into giving away basic rights for legislation they call common sense but it couldn't be further away from common sense.
Common sense says no potential safety is worth limiting potential freedoms ever!
Remind anyone of the gun legislation going on now?
I totally disagree. Humans need to be controlled by an intellectual class for the good of everyone, because most people are too stupid to have empathy. Horrifying injustice is ubiquitous because of lack of control from the government. I believe in enforcing justice at the expense of certain civil liberties.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Alyssa]
#23593305 - 08/30/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I certainly agree that most people are stupid, and I also agree that you would probably benefit by having your freedoms curtailed. I wouldn't benefit, however, so I'm against your proposed policy shift.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Alyssa]
#23593317 - 08/30/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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And please take a peek at current incarceration rates and or global distribution of wealth and it's the result of the things you claim we need.
I don't know what world you live in but as I age and become more cultured I am blown away at how kind, generous, and empathetic even the poorest and most abused people.
If humans were such inherently evil and dumb as you put it then we would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago.
Rather we have this enormous and natural ability to love, heal, and empathize. It's a uniquely human thing and will be key as we strip control from these sociopathic "intellectuals" thy currently control into a more humane and natural human ordering
A lot a lot a lot has changed in human awareness and consciousness since these elites have sealed control of the world through private monetary systems. We are now using this progression that has conveniently skipped these sociopaths for our advantage and it's working at ever increasing rates
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Alyssa]
#23593632 - 08/30/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: Those who sacrifice safety for freedom deserve neither.
The modern politics have dumbed people down to beg for more limitations of liberties and freedoms. They even now call some of them "common sense" policies
Any limitation of freedoms or Liberty is just that but they trick people into giving away basic rights for legislation they call common sense but it couldn't be further away from common sense.
Common sense says no potential safety is worth limiting potential freedoms ever!
Remind anyone of the gun legislation going on now?
I totally disagree. Humans need to be controlled by an intellectual class for the good of everyone, because most people are too stupid to have empathy. Horrifying injustice is ubiquitous because of lack of control from the government. I believe in enforcing justice at the expense of certain civil liberties.
>>>>"I believe in enforcing justice..." "Horrifying injustice is ubiquitous because of lack of control from the government." <<<<<
The law is designed to protect justice and defend against injustice. It is a negative concept. It is the common right of all of us to the lawful self defense of our life, liberty, and property. This is the ultimate reason for law: to protect, by force, the individual; not to attack the individual's life, liberty, and/or property.
>>>>>"Humans need to be controlled by an intellectual class for the good of everyone, because most people are too stupid..."<<<<<<
So these legislators are God, and without them "normal humans" are doomed to endless folly and violence? Who gets to appoint these great and omnipotent legislators that will manage the affairs of all the lemmings? Comments like this are why I would liken your description of 'how it should be' to Nazi Germany and eugenics. People are stupid because they are intentionally dumbed down, over stimulated, marketed to at all times, and fed bull shit; not because they are of an inferior race, class, breed, or whatever your reasoning behind holding legislators above mankind, as if they are not human, and subject to the same vices and defects.
Are all classes of citizens not human beings, with human brains and human faculties? What qualifies one man, or class of men, as superior to another, oh wise social organizer?
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
#23593722 - 08/30/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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More cops = Nazi Germany
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
#23593792 - 08/30/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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amp244 said: >>>>"I believe in enforcing justice..." "Horrifying injustice is ubiquitous because of lack of control from the government." <<<<<
The law is designed to protect justice and defend against injustice. It is a negative concept. It is the common right of all of us to the lawful self defense of our life, liberty, and property. This is the ultimate reason for law: to protect, by force, the individual; not to attack the individual's life, liberty, and/or property.
>>>>>"Humans need to be controlled by an intellectual class for the good of everyone, because most people are too stupid..."<<<<<<
So these legislators are God, and without them "normal humans" are doomed to endless folly and violence? Who gets to appoint these great and omnipotent legislators that will manage the affairs of all the lemmings? Comments like this are why I would liken your description of 'how it should be' to Nazi Germany and eugenics. People are stupid because they are intentionally dumbed down, over stimulated, marketed to at all times, and fed bull shit; not because they are of an inferior race, class, breed, or whatever your reasoning behind holding legislators above mankind, as if they are not human, and subject to the same vices and defects.
Are all classes of citizens not human beings, with human brains and human faculties? What qualifies one man, or class of men, as superior to another, oh wise social organizer?
I'm strictly against violence (except when necessary) so Nazi eugenics was evil, but eugenics in general has gotten a bad name from the Nazis. I've heard the theory about the 13 royal bloodlines, which makes sense to me. You can't always tell who's in what Illuminati family from their last names, because the royal DNA is passed down through matrilineal as well as patrilineal descent. The Illuminati don't really believe in the patriarchy, they just use it to control the brainless masses that live by their animal male dominator instincts anyway.
You can find out more about our venerable rulers here.
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Alyssa] 1
#23593799 - 08/30/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Maroon]
#23594230 - 08/30/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If humans were such inherently evil and dumb as you put it then we would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago.
I don't know about that. In my rather long tenure in the US Navy, after living in foreign countries for 12 years, and visiting another 22 countries, and dealing with people from all sections of the US serving in the Navy, I've come to a couple of inevitable conclusions:
There are a lot of dumb, evil mother fuckers existing on this planet.
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Sorry but the "brave" folks that often make our military are chosen and brainwashed young. They have everything handed to them so when they get out they are not effective at thinking for themselves. And they certainly don't want thinkers in their as they cause dissent.
So believe me when I say when people aren't born into large disenfranchised positions they are just as bright and smart as the best anywhere.
But be born into an environment where you have no healthy shelter, foods, stability, and income and yes it's quite astonishing how these bright individuals can be manipulated.
Feed and treat them well from start and these same people destined for failure are the top thinkers and producers.
You ever see maslows hierarchy of needs? Or do you just blame everyone for circumstances out of their control and influence
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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Maroon]
#23594261 - 08/30/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maroon said: Sorry but the "brave" folks that often make our military are chosen and brainwashed young. They have everything handed to them so when they get out they are not effective at thinking for themselves. And they certainly don't want thinkers in their as they cause dissent.
So believe me when I say when people aren't born into large disenfranchised positions they are just as bright and smart as the best anywhere.
But be born into an environment where you have no healthy shelter, foods, stability, and income and yes it's quite astonishing how these bright individuals can be manipulated.
Feed and treat them well from start and these same people destined for failure are the top thinkers and producers.
You ever see maslows hierarchy of needs? Or do you just blame everyone for circumstances out of their control and influence
I don't blame anyone for anything. i didn't have any privilege, money, came from a broken home, was in jail and every other fucked thing that could have happened to a 20 year old when I joined the Navy.
After I got out I still struggled, became an engineer, and now live a good existence.
How do you explain that? And i stick to my point there are a lot of evil and dumb fucks in the world. Maybe they can't take responsibility for being dumb, but they have to for being evil. Ya can't blame it on someone else.
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