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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23641764 - 09/13/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's how it works, yes.  This forum is for criticizing political figures.  This is not a forum for talking shit about members of the site. 

I'm trying to help you conform your conduct to the rules so that you can avoid a ban.  It's really up to you whether you choose to heed that advice or disregard it.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Peteyboy] * 1
    #23642006 - 09/13/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil is entering Falcon-Wealth status with his argument.



You mean he's killing you with logic?  Yes, he's clearly done that here, so I guess you are correct.

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Peteyboy said:
let's take a look at who decided this unconstitutional penalty...

The 5 judges in the majority are some of the most progressive anti American pukes. Compare them to the real Patriots who were in dissent. Roberts, Soto Mayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan...what a joke...They hate America and it's constitution of course they would pass it.



They hate America because they're progressive?  That comes close to the dumbest thing I've ever read.

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Trump's IQ is far higher then yours brother, and after seeing you on a couple threads it appears that you are the one with the marginally functional brain lol.



People who resort to ad-hominem attacks rather than logical attacks are almost never the smart ones, FYI.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23642255 - 09/13/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What matters is the intent.  If the intent is to punish, it's a penalty.  If the intent is to offset costs, it's just a tax.

The SCOTUS decided it was a tax.




SCOTUS isn't always right. This is both to offset and penalize.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23642265 - 09/13/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can afford health insurance but choose not to buy it, you must pay a fee called the individual shared responsibility payment. (The fee is sometimes called the "penalty," "fine," or "individual mandate.")




https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/


Even H&R Block gets it. Why don't you?

https://www.hrblock.com/aca-tax-impact/taxes-and-aca/penalties-and-exemptions.html


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23642275 - 09/13/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"At this point, really, what difference does it make?!


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 3
    #23642596 - 09/13/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The difference between an H&R Block opinion and a SCOTUS opinion:  The SCOTUS opinion is law.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23643094 - 09/13/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23643105 - 09/13/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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SCOTUS isn't always right. This is both to offset and penalize.



What does that mean?  That you don't always like the SCOTUS opinion?  Matters not.  :shrug:


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Crumist]
    #23643232 - 09/13/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"At this point, really, what difference does it make?!




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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Enlil]
    #23644183 - 09/14/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The difference between an H&R Block opinion and a SCOTUS opinion:  The SCOTUS opinion is law.



And yet... it remains a penalty.

From the same healthcare.gov link from earlier...






You of course are free to call it what you wish, but a penalty by any other name still smells as bad.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23644186 - 09/14/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
SCOTUS isn't always right. This is both to offset and penalize.



What does that mean?  That you don't always like the SCOTUS opinion?  Matters not.  :shrug:




Of course it doesn't matter if I like it any more than it matters who likes or dislikes it. Anything less stupid to say?

A penalty remains a penalty.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23644340 - 09/14/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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What matters is the intent.  If the intent is to punish, it's a penalty.  If the intent is to offset costs, it's just a tax.

The SCOTUS decided it was a tax.




SCOTUS isn't always right. This is both to offset and penalize.




Scotus basically is right until they decide they were wrong, and then make themselves right again.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23644420 - 09/14/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
SCOTUS isn't always right. This is both to offset and penalize.



What does that mean?  That you don't always like the SCOTUS opinion?  Matters not.  :shrug:




Of course it doesn't matter if I like it any more than it matters who likes or dislikes it. Anything less stupid to say?



Ok, thanks for confirming your opinion on this doesn't matter.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23644590 - 09/14/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The intent is still the intent. The point of the law is to force universal healthcare. The individual responsibility discriminates against those who are uninsured, and penalizes them up and until the point that they purchase insurance.

The SCOTUS opinion choses to call it a tax for the sole reason that doing so makes an unconstitutional law appear to be constitutional. Obamacare has become a huge political issue, with lobbyists and special interests shoving it down the nation's throat. I remember when the law was first coming out, South Carolina passed a bill that opposed its implementation.

The individual responsibility is clearly a fine, the ACA is clearly unconstitutional, and opponents of the Act (like myself) were clearly right about its destructive nature.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
    #23644607 - 09/14/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The individual responsibility is clearly a fine, the ACA is clearly unconstitutional, and opponents of the Act (like myself) were clearly right about its destructive nature.



The discussion above shows you're clearly wrong.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23644620 - 09/14/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Scotus basically is right until they decide they were wrong, and then make themselves right again.




At no point does that guarantee they are right. What it does is demonstrate they have the last word.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23644622 - 09/14/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok, thanks for confirming your opinion on this doesn't matter.




Why wouldn't I? Mine doesn't matter. Yours doesn't matter. No-ones opinion other than the courts matter.

I figured you'd be done with stupid comments after my last response. I guess you just can't help yourself.

I suspect you'll do it again.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23644702 - 09/14/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Scotus basically is right until they decide they were wrong, and then make themselves right again.



At no point does that guarantee they are right. What it does is demonstrate they have the last word.



Once again, what does "right" mean?  It ONLY means that you disagree with their opinion.

By definition, The Ecstatic is exactly right.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23645278 - 09/14/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Here is Obama repeatedly denying that it is a tax. Its just like auto insurance he says.

Start at 3:02.
The question is "Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money. Fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?"
*Obama sidesteps question
"That may be, but its still a tax increase!"
Obama: "for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore."

Later in the interview

Question: "You reject that its a tax increase?
Obama: "I absolutely reject that notion"

Now the argument that makes it constitutional is that it is a tax. The basis for determining tax vs penalty is intent. Above is an interview with Barack Obama in which he vehemently denies that the law is a tax. Listen to the beginning of the interview and note the inaccuracy of all of Obama's "predictions". Its hilarious to see how easily he sold you suckers on such a terrible bill.


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Re: A vote for Hillary... [Re: amp244]
    #23645289 - 09/14/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Obama was only the President when the ACA passed.  The President doesn't make law.  Why would you take his word on what the intent is?


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