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Inocuole
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23579477 - 08/26/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't even look at it... rate it 0-10 for me.
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23579490 - 08/26/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: by the way that video is atrocious. videos like that are half the reason noobs are noobs
I've graced through several of them before and this one seemed really detailed
what exactly did he mess up on?
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: cube talk]
#23579497 - 08/26/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People use all kinds of stuff, I just prefer berries and I usually pay about a dollar a pound.
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Inocuole
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Kenetic]
#23579506 - 08/26/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I'm paying a dollar a pound this grain better jump in the jars and sterilize themselves.
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Inocuole]
#23579524 - 08/26/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol. I'm set in my ways....but I might try oats soon
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: cube talk]
#23579633 - 08/26/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cube talk said:
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Trusted Cultivator said: by the way that video is atrocious. videos like that are half the reason noobs are noobs
I've graced through several of them before and this one seemed really detailed
what exactly did he mess up on?
Half of it
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Psychedel.EXE
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#23579688 - 08/26/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said:
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cube talk said:
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Trusted Cultivator said: by the way that video is atrocious. videos like that are half the reason noobs are noobs
I've graced through several of them before and this one seemed really detailed
what exactly did he mess up on?
Half of it
I went ahead and clicked that video just to see. That guy used a terrarium as a fruiting chamber. WITH perlite. And even had it closed up at the top. If PETA gave a shit about mushrooms that guy would be jailed. So many errors in the first few seconds of that video. I didn't go any farther. Just gonna take your words on it.
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23580007 - 08/26/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23580020 - 08/26/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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wtfcrazymofo said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22158748 If you want to do bulk with minimal babysitting.
Whose journal is that in that I don't have access to it?
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Inocuole]
#23580031 - 08/26/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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wtfcrazymofo said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22158748 If you want to do bulk with minimal babysitting.
Whose journal is that in that I don't have access to it?
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Inocuole]
#23580040 - 08/26/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cube talk said: Well I don't know ANYTHING about oats whatsoever, I mean this is my first grow and I was going off of this video on youtube
If I were to go the oats route, what changes? Can I still bulk grow? What is the mixture compared to rye which is just rye and water?
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Inocuole said: I didn't even look at it... rate it 0-10 for me.
3-5ish It is outdated.
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23580043 - 08/26/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fucking punk...
Confirmed that he specifically blocked me. 
Too bad I'm not a retard and I can get around that really easily..
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METHOD 1: BOILED WATER SOAK OAT PREP 


Brought to you by THE TRIBE
I've been using Fooman's Grain Tek to prepare WBS with a "boiled water bath" with great success. I find this method simple and works well. I wanted to use a similar method with Oat Grain. I also use a 2nd method that involves bringing the grain to a rolling boil then reducing the heat for 25 minutes. The two methods are listed below.
No reason to make anything complicated, so let's skip the background history and descriptions of Whole oats in hopes that you can figure that kind of thing out on your own. Who wants to be a SLAVE TO THE GRAIN? I know I don't.
The intention of this method is to reduce the grain preparation time while making things easy when you have dual loads of work. The less attention and pouring one has to do the better. Each time you fill a pot of water and pour it, creates more work. Lets keep it simple and do one pour.
10 different Oat prep Methods have been attempted(all successful). But none of them seem to be perfect for the situation needed. This involves being able to begin a batch of grain that day, prep it and have the grain pressure cooked and finished cooling within 2-3 hours from start to finish.
For me this method has produced the least amount of burst grains with the least effort.
My stove takes approximately 25 minutes to heat water to a rolling boil. Take the pot off heat. Pour your grain into the boiled water. You then set the timer for 45 minutes. So you won't need to do any paying attention until the timer goes off. I'm not looking at the grain or tending to it. All I do is put the timer on.
This timing and ease may not be your goal, and if not, there are a number of different Oat prep methods. The issue is, in all other methods, the Oats seem to have more moisture on the outside than other grains. The grains also have more bursts than wanted.
Additionally, this method does not need to be tended to. Waiting a full day for grain to soak is not ideal. Neither is having to take 2.5 hours cooking grain and more than an hour prepping it. This method is the easiest in that regard as all I do is boil water, dump grain in, put a timer on, pour out water, load up jars. Boom done!
Materials:
- A big bowl
- Premium Race Horse oats

- Strainer

- Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks)

Procedure:
1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled. This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.

2. Set the grain aside in a large bowl or metal pot.

3. Fill a large pot 3/4th full of water or high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)

4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you take the pot off the heat source.

5. Dump your dry grain into the boiled water. Put the lid back on your pot. Set your timer for 45 minutes.

Smoke a bowl or joint.
6. After 45 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this.

7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle. Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.

8. Pressure cook for 1 hour 15 mins at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a heating pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

This is how the quarts look right after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken. The jars are still warm.
30 minute bath time 45 minute bath time 60 minute bath time
  
This is what the quarts look like a day later.
 
Here are the same jars g2ged. There are 2 Burma culture clones growing side by side. Shaken on day 3 colonized on day 6.
30 Minute Bath prepped grain 6 days growth with a shake on day 3

To come to the conclusion of a 45 minute soak time. 3 times were tested. 30 mins, 45 mins, 60 mins. All of the times worked. So the compromise was 45 mins to get the grain slightly plumper.
3 times side by side G2G 6 day growth. Shaken on the 3rd day.
  
  
So far, this method allows for the least amount of burst grain and the least amount of effort.
Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.
  


  
  
   
  
Total prep time for grain to cool: 20 mins to boil water 45 mins for grain soak 10 minutes strain 75 mins for pressure cook 2 hours 30 minutes and your jars are cooling.
METHOD 2: BOILED OAT PREP 
Materials:
- A big bowl
- Premium Race Horse oats

- Strainer

- Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks)

Procedure:
1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled. This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.

2. Dump your grain in a large metal pot.

3. Fill a large pot with water high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)
 
4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you reduce your heat to medium. You want to keep a steady bubble to the top of the grain. Not a violent boil, a rolling boil with light bubbling along the top.

5. Set your timer for 25 minutes. Keep the water at the rolling boil for the duration of the 25 minutes.

Smoke a bowl or joint.
6. After 25 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this. You could load it immediately after the steam is gone and lower prep time by 10 minutes.

7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle. Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.

8. Pressure cook for 1 hour 15 mins at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a heating pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

This is how the quarts look a day after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken.

Method 1 has the least grain burst, method 2 is the fastest oat prep method.
Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.
  
 
Total prep time for grain to cool: 20 mins to boil water 25 mins for grain soak 10 minutes strain 75 mins for pressure cook 2 hours 10 minutes and your jars are cooling.

How forsaken I've been by not having access to this revolutionary grain tek. Way to hit me where it hurts..
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Inocuole]
#23580077 - 08/26/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its for cheap oats not spendy rye. You got oats down though nocker. Rye FTL IMO, but not for Stones.
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Inocuole]
#23580105 - 08/26/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Fucking punk...
Confirmed that he specifically blocked me. 
Too bad I'm not a retard and I can get around that really easily..
 Signout.
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Kenetic
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Re: What is an acceptable price for rye grain seeds? [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23590498 - 08/29/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought I'd bring this thread back up to mention that I lied. I just paid 30 bucks for 20 lbs of rye. Shame on me. I still like rye though because it always works great for me.
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