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Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms?
    #23578414 - 08/26/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Question about the effects of DMT and mushrooms.

I've cultivated mushrooms in the past - Z strain and B+. Both strains had noticeably different effects.

Z strain multiplied my creativity, and I became extremely philosophical while on it. I'd take anywhere between 8 to 13 grams. What I liked about this strain was the longterm effects as well. It seemed to heighten my critical thinking abilities and everything would just come easier. I usually have massive brain fog, and one session would clear me up for a month or two.

B+ was slightly more visual, but it offered nothing else. No soul searching. No discoveries on the meaning of life. Nothing. Purely recreational... I assume this is the stuff they sell at concerts and stuff. Absolutely no longterm benefits. Really just a waste of time for my personal goal.

Unfortunately, I've moved to a place where I don't have the space the cultivate. The Z strain  I have is 2+ years old, and the last few times I've tried boiling it and drinking it, nothing happened. It's expired.

That said, I've also gained access to some DMT. Have never tried it before, but I've always wanted to. My question is, does DMT have similar philosophical/creative effects like the Z strain I'm describing? Or is it more like B+... purely superficial/visual?

And what are the longterm effects of DMT? Do you feel like it clears up your brain fog or heightens your cognition for a couple days to a month, after you do it like the Z strain I cultivated?


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    #23578472 - 08/26/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: bullshavehorns]
    #23578499 - 08/26/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms are DMT, if you have smokable DMT than that's exactly what it is, just in it's freebase form, depending on dose it will have similarities to mushrooms but because of it's fast acting nature the experience will be over before you are ever able to comprehend anything. It's very intense and can take you out of your body within seconds, 40-60mg


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23578568 - 08/26/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eclipse3130 said:
Mushrooms are DMT, if you have smokable DMT than that's exactly what it is




This is incorrect information. Mushrooms contain psilocybin/psilocin which is 4-HO-DMT a different compound entirely to DMT though of the same family "tryptamines".


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23578604 - 08/26/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Still contains dimethyltryptamine and is essentially the same message throughout all DMT compounds. Just the way it acts and is consumed is what alters the experience, N,N DMT is just DMT in its freebase form, smoking DMT is intense because it's un-natural in the sense you can't find it in nature alone, it's a man made extract. Smoking DMT produces a quick 10 minute or less experience, it's the same message an equivilent dose of Mushrooms would give you or 4-Aco-DMT, you just go through the experience within 10 minutes instead of 4-6 hours, and that's what creates the illusion of it being more "intense" or "life changing" is because of the sheer potency and the way the experience is panned out. The only reason the effects are different is because it's rapidly absorbed and ends soon. You can experience the same outcome with a high dose of mushrooms or any form of oral DMT. You can go out of body in 5 minutes, or out of body within a more panned out time frame, really DMT is DMT in the end, the only difference in effects is the way you consume it. I prefer the oral route, smoking is too intense for my anxiety and usually have bad trips.


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Different ways in which The
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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: cinderblock]
    #23578645 - 08/26/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am currently growing my first batch of mushrooms and they are B+. Has everyone else had the same experience as the OP with B+? If so, I wish I had known that before buying them and would have gotten Z strain :/


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23579238 - 08/26/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nah cubes are like each other either b+ or z strain it doesnt matter.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #23579713 - 08/26/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms - you have time to work with it and is my preferred vehicle into the unseen realms, like Eclipse said, they are very similar molecules once they are metabolized and all of that (although I'm not positive if psylocibin/psilocin is actually metabolized to the exact same molecule as dmt, but Id need to go do some pharmacology researchin' to be positive :tongue:).

(smoking) DMT - you breath it out and your world is BUZZING and...BAM you're in hyperspace :crazy2:  Since it's actively transported by the brain, its over before you know and your ego regains its bearings after 10min or so. The thing I've found with smoking deems is that its fucking convenient as hell. If you feel its call, you can go into hyperspace, let the deities or (whatever the fuck you wanna call them) do what is necessary at the time, and be back to normal within 30 minutes total. Also I think that using a dab pen (e-cig with one of those open coils that glow red hot) is perfect for administration. It makes loading "the goo" easy and after a few experiences you will know the perfect amount of hits to take depending on how far you want to go!  Ive been debating getting some harmalas and making some changa that will extend the dmt activity to around 30-40 minutes, but I am more involved in getting my first grow of cubes underway at the moment :thumbup:


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23580406 - 08/26/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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YeOlde said:
This is incorrect information. Mushrooms contain psilocybin/psilocin which is 4-HO-DMT a different compound entirely to DMT though of the same family "tryptamines".




Well I wouldn't say it's an entirely different compound since all psilocin really is, is DMT with an oxygen atom attached to the molecule because without that oxygen atom it wouldn't be orally active. 
I mean it's not like it simply closely resembles the compound or "almost makes up" the compound no it has the actual compound within it. It has N-N-DMT so in a way all psilocin really is is N-N-DMT with something added to it.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23581272 - 08/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am currently growing my first batch of mushrooms and they are B+. Has everyone else had the same experience as the OP with B+? If so, I wish I had known that before buying them and would have gotten Z strain :/




From what I know, every strain is different batch to batch. The B+ I cultivated might be different from the B+ you're cultivating... kinda like apples. Not all Fujis taste the same. Some are flavorful and great. And then there are some, where you're like WTF?

Had this happen with Opal apples. I bought it at Vons for like 2.99 per lb. Tasted like fuckin bananas. I'd never tasted apples that tasted like bananas before. I told everybody about it. One day my sister bought it herself. She said they were only a buck per pound at some local supermarket, and she said, "They're good, but apples are apples, ya know?" I tried it, and it was just flat, and it tasted nothing like the opal apples I had before.

They all differ.

I heard guys making the argument that mushrooms are mushrooms. Again, everyone's experience is different. If you're the type that has that kind of perspective on everything - coffee is coffee, alcohol is alcohol, pasta is pasta, etc, then yes, you're prone to believe all cubes are the same.

I will tell you that for general purposes, they might be similar, but the Z strain I cultivated was drastically different from any of the trip reports people were making on cubes. Z was the first strain I cultivated, and prior to it, people were telling me they danced to mushrooms, so I was expecting a groovy experience. But I took it, and no way, is this strain in any way recreational. Within 15 minutes, it saps you of all your strength. It hurts your back to even keep yourself sitting. You need to lie down, and even then, you're seeking a more comfortable position. Of course, you get used to this effect after the second or third time, because you know the good part's coming. It gets extremely philosophical, and really, I credit this strain to seriously opening my eyes to a way of critical thinking and philosophical thirst I never had in all my life. I had zero interest in philosophy before, but now I consider myself philosophical by nature, and I'm always able to see things outside of what they are and make cultural observations, etc.

The B+ I cultivated is strictly visual. Nothing happens in your brain. It is all just viewing the world through electrical pulses and wavy shapes. This is the stuff most people think of when people talk about mushrooms, because this is what is sold at raves, parties, etc.

The Z strain on the other hand will knock you out for hours.

The other thing is though, is that I'm a writer, so I tend to notice the nuanced effects of mushrooms or whatever it is I'm experiencing. Again, I loved that the Z strain cleared up my brain fog and helped me write with clarity for, sometimes, months. I know this because I naturally have very little energy and massive brain fog. I would know the difference. B+ had no long term effects.

But again, all strains are different. Having said that though... B+ is generally known for being a visual shroom. Golden Teacher is known for being philosophical. Z strain is sort of an unknown strain... not a lot have tried it, and when they have, they've all reported wildly different results. A lot of people think Z strain is just a marketable name that cultivators attach to something they already have and sell it. I don't know... all I can tell you is that there was a strong difference between the B+ and Z I had.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: cinderblock]
    #23581368 - 08/26/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's interesting. Didn't realize there could be such big differences between mushroom strains in terms of the actual quality of the trip.

I agree with the above though that DMT is very much like Mushrooms in effects. Just obviously, way shorter.

I guess, to me, it's like the pure essence the mushroom trip that you experience for about 20 minutes. There's no body load, and it's a lot clearer and sharper. Sort of like a mushroom trip, just boiled down and given to you in a 20 minute intense roller-coaster ride.

You can definitely learn a lot from DMT. It's my favorite tool for personal-growth, and mushrooms are my close-second. And it can affect for a very long time. I can't really say how just one or two trips will affect you though... Because as soon as I got my hands on a big batch of DMT, I started doing it pretty regularly. :tongue:

But it, more than any other Psychedelic, has taught me the most and made more lasting change.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23581395 - 08/26/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

DMT has been some of the most meaningful experiences Ive had. High dose mushrooms are very comparable but still so far apart. The body high on DMT is so amazingly beautiful and perfect. The visuals can be similar but nothing is so literal, real and as organic as DMT visuals to me atleast.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23581407 - 08/26/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man. That DMT body-feel. When you're just swimming in those magical visuals and just like "Ohhh Yeahuhhhhhhhhhhh"
Can't beat it. :tongue2:


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23581421 - 08/26/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing has ever compared. It is the ost enthralling and beautiful experience anyone will have/feel.
Its totally like "this is it.." You cant top it hahaha


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23581423 - 08/26/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To me it basically sounds (from all the things I've read and heard) that mushrooms are basically just a DMT trip stretched out over 6 or 7 hours with a sort of zany, humorous and 'gaian' touch to them.

And I'm sure DMT probably has it's own essence but it essentially sounds like the same realm or the same dimension just looked through different lenses.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23581429 - 08/26/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not for me. Its of its own for sure. Once you try it you will know man, its just so fucking amazing haha. Large dose mushrooms has compared in some visuals but  like I said nothing so organic and "in your face" like DMT.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23581857 - 08/26/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

B+ and Z Strain are both Psilocybe Cubensis. They are the same species, the only difference being the original spore print was taken from specimens from different areas. They vary in cosmetics only. They've been grown indoors and domesticated by the time the spore prints are on the market.

In fact, each time those are grown out from spores the genetics reset themselves... the same strain might be vert potent once, then grown out from spores a second time and can ve very weak. Even mushroom to mushroom will vary.

I've grown B+ out that was THE best mushrooms I've ever had and the next grow (with same spore print) was mediocre.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23581968 - 08/26/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I experience such vastly different trips from trip to trip, that I cannot tell the difference between strains because I cant tell if its just my trip was different or if it was different because of the strain.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23582207 - 08/27/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right, you could say the same thing about apples. All the different types like Pink Lady came from the same apple. But they all taste different now.

Again, it depends on your perspective. I remember I took a Sociology class, and they gave us a blind test. One cup was Coke. The other was Pepsi.

I thought it was obvious which was which. I got it right.

But 50% of the class got it wrong.

And I was like, "How the hell do you not know the difference?" but people were looking at me like I was the strange one, and they were like, "How can you tell the difference? They're the same thing."

So yeah, we all experience things differently, but having said that, if I had given you the Z strain that I had (still have actually... the spore syringe at least), you will not make it to the rave. You will be pasted to the bed, and you'll come out of it feeling like your thought process has literally expanded, like there were neural pathways that were previous blocked with road signs that told neurons, "Road Closed," that are now open.


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Re: Effects of DMT vs Mushrooms? [Re: cinderblock]
    #23582289 - 08/27/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the term "strain" confuses people. Variety is the preferred term. Mushrooms aren't plants, so "steain" means something other than what we are used to

Most of the cube "strains" vendors sell (B+, golden teachers, Amazonian, treasure coast etc) are just domesticated cubes,  that might differ a little cosmetically.

But an actual strain of mushrooms has to be isolated out in a pitre dish on agar, and must be grown out from a live culture.
When you grow mushrooms from spores, there are hundreds of different strains present...

Pretty much any kind of cube you might get from a vendor has the potential to produce strains that are extremely potent, fast growing, high yielding etc


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