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plurfekt
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What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's?
#23577461 - 08/25/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Having issues with the tape cooking over/peeling off with Gorilla Tape. I have some heavy duty scotch tape that has worked somewhat better but I was hoping someone out there had a gold standard I could just order online/buy locally.
I recently switched to FPB's from jars and I like it so far, my input is don't use a mini impulse sealer they suck and you're gonna need a decent sized PC'er, let pressure release very slow bags like to blow...
Any input appreciated on the tape.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23577498 - 08/25/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I try not to hold my fast patrol boats together with tape at all
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23578261 - 08/26/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: I try not to hold my fast patrol boats together with tape at all
That wasn't my question. I'm aware there are other methods (tapeless) but I want to know about the tape method.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23578613 - 08/26/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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pack ur PC tighter (with more bags) and it will help prevent blow outs=larger thermal mass
i just use masking tape…..
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23578880 - 08/26/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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More or less meant that in my whole time here I never saw FPB used as an acronym
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23578889 - 08/26/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha me either. i actually googled it.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23578969 - 08/26/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: More or less meant that in my whole time here I never saw FPB used as an acronym
I suppose this isn't the only place I've ever been although I'm pretty sure I learned it here at some point, never really been huge on the competitor sites, unless I read it off a sponsored vendors site or something.
EDIT* Either that, or I was the one to crown it. LOL. Everyone wanna sit around saying FILTER PATCH BAGS 10 times really fast?
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blindingleaf said: haha me either. i actually googled it.
TC Maybe it's from the old days, I don't know.. haha
Masking tape though? really - there a tek around for how that is folded and such? 15 PSI @ 120 minutes? My experience is simply: the tape isn't holding up. I've tried using more water and more supports between bags, usually a shitload of silverware I know for a fact will be clean when I'm done with it, tried using less water and less bags, doesn't matter. But I hadn't tried masking tape.. lol
Also closer together, I was under the impression this is bad. Longer cook times and less likely to properly sanitize the center grains?
If there is a better method I'm sure I am on my way to finding it. The tek I stumbled on when I was making this batch involved using a heavy duty tape to keep the sides of the bag shut and supported during cooling. I find it makes them easier to work with, and once they come out of the PC'er I don't have to worry about air going -into- the bags.
I've also seen people using some type of foam filter plugs, that is something I intend to try on my next supply order, but it's not like the bags need the gas exchange when they already have a filter patch.
Currently using a 16QT PC'er and upgrading very soon to a 23Q minimum, so more bags in less space is ideal.
Edited by plurfekt (08/26/16 08:47 AM)
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579016 - 08/26/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, i guess im not sure what the problem is?
if ur asking what kind of tape is best for sealing the bags….i have no idea because I personally wouldn't do that. if ur just trying to hold down the folds while loading, u don't even really need tape, but a small piece of masking or scotch will be fine.
u wanna use spacers if possible in the PCbtw bags and walls. sometimes, it is not possible because of the volume, but it is a good idea to use them because of the reasons u mentioned with steam/heat/sterilization.
i use metal lids (wrapped in foil to prevent rust from discoloring the bags-this is aesthetic preference and not required) btw walls and bags.
  
after loading my bags, I fold and flip them over so the weight of the grains help crease the folds, which makes it easier to stay in place when loading (and eliminate need for tape)

^^see the one on the left is nice and tight with no tape?
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23579056 - 08/26/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Problem was - I learned how to use FPB's for the first time from someone other than you, and I'm pretty sure I was drunk.
Lol..
Well the issue with the tape cooking down is it either sticks together and peels and can cause tears in the plastic especially along a crappy 1mm impulse seal (I seal it like 5-10 times each bag still run into issues) because I was clearly told to never let the bags touch at all (probably because that guy was using tape that sticks together.)
So, it would appear my next rye prep day I'm going to be doing things differently.
I also use lid rings as well as silverware, but some days it's just about whatever is closest by, lol.
I can get away with 4 "filter patch bags" FPB's with a few quarts each if I were to stack them the way you are doing it I could probably up each bag to 4. Be easier when I get the 23QT but I have a flowhood to build and an impulse sealer to replace, so, decisions.
I also use the tape after pc'ing as something to hang onto, but far from necessary. I burn my fingers a lot anyways. (Drinking and loving to barbeque)
I like the idea of foil on the sides so the plastic isn't directly touching the sides of the PC'er, you would think I would have thought of that.
One question, discluding the soak time, how long does your rye prep take you to do? After soak mine takes about 4 hours altogether, trying to find ways to save myself some time and trouble because I'm gonna be doing a -lot- of them, for a long time. Looking into autoclaves for when my naturopathy business is up and running, lol.
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Thank you, by the way.
Edited by plurfekt (08/26/16 09:09 AM)
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579132 - 08/26/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey-no problem man
I don't time the hear up/simmer. I just gauge by eyesight and feel.
The steam dry-same thing If they are SUPER DUPER saturated and almost bursting after simmer, I dry them a lot. Ideally tho, they are al dente, and the steam dry doesn't need to be as long. Again though, I don't time it, its just kinda by feel and look.
My favorite way to save time prpepping grain is to use low spawn ratios
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23579284 - 08/26/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea I don't time that part either, just kinda talking about how long it takes me to do when I wake up in the morning to soaked grains that need draining, simmering, more draining, gypsum, bags, PC'ed 2 hours, etc - the overall process. Any way we can cut this time and effort down, I say do it..
That being said organic rye berries are a breeze to prep and work with compared to WBS or something.
Low spawn ratio is smart, particularly with MS. Although from clone very little is stopping me from using an excessive amount of spawn and liquid culture lol. Too much LC in a FPB = you see water settling at the bottom, nuff said.
I count the PC time from the moment it hits 15PSI, never had issues that way.
Steam drying lmao, I accidentally washed my grains with cold water last time, said SHIT. Filled a stock pot full of water, let it get to a rolling boil and dumped it slowly into the collanders back onto the rye, making it steam out again lmao, the 30$ in mesh collanders I invested in make that part a great deal easier as well, and yea, touch is the way to go with experience. Use the senses you were born with :P
Really wouldn't take me any longer to do 12 quarts than it would to do 4, short of the steam time while draining that probably only adds 5-15 minutes. Worth it since I don't like dragging out my PC'er and smelling cooking grains all the time. Now that I'm going to move up to a higher level of bulk for my business I've realized just how much time I am going to spend doing this kind of thing, and I'm doing all I can to take the sting out. Can't wait for a nice impulse sealer, Amazon has good deals compared to the mycology supply sites I've looked at.
When you take your bags out, whats your procedure with them? Directly in front of the flowhood for cooldown?
Thanks again. You had the option to be a dick, and you didn't. Props
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579358 - 08/26/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm only a dick when someone is being a dick to a regular on here and they get out of pocket. I feel like we all look out for each other in one way or another, at least that's my hope.
I let PC xool overnight and spray stop cock/juggler with Lysol or iso. I do open it in front of the running hood but if U use tyvek its not required. At most they r a little warm, but usually its room temp. I only keep what I can fit in front of hood, the rest r aside out of the flow but in arms reach.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23579457 - 08/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: I'm only a dick when someone is being a dick to a regular on here and they get out of pocket. I feel like we all look out for each other in one way or another, at least that's my hope.
I let PC xool overnight and spray stop cock/juggler with Lysol or iso. I do open it in front of the running hood but if U use tyvek its not required. At most they r a little warm, but usually its room temp. I only keep what I can fit in front of hood, the rest r aside out of the flow but in arms reach.
I'd like to think the same, in theory, to me, the people that do not look out for the other Shroomerites are not actually Shroomerites. Kinda makes it easy to spot who's real. I've taken plenty of shit from TC's and such in the past but that was constructive criticism, as a result I've advanced over the years.
I do the same thing with my bags, cool overnight, only I hit mine with Ozium (glycolized iso. alcohol - great for weed odor but also helpful in mycology, you can usually find it by the automotive fragrances in any Walmart) & I occasionally lysol my grow surfaces. Been using a lot of bleach recently, setting this new place up took me a week of full work days. I'm aiming for a 2'x 4' flowhood build to be finished within a month. Between that, a 23Q+ PC'er, 5mm impulse sealer, things should start going by a lot smoother. Just establishing a routine can be difficult at first.
Masking tape it is 
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579496 - 08/26/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what does FPB actually mean? Google isn't helping me here.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: Inocuole]
#23579501 - 08/26/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: So what does FPB actually mean? Google isn't helping me here.
Lmao
Filter Patch Bags
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579505 - 08/26/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh. The thing.. that I have a few of.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: Inocuole]
#23579572 - 08/26/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Oh. The thing.. that I have a few of. 
Note to self: Do not crown acronyms for common mycology supplies while drunk on the fly.
Honestly, I have no idea why typing it in acronym came naturally, I swear I read it somewhere, but I could have just shortened it on the spot. You have me questioning myself now rofl.
Maybe it's just from having too re-familiarize myself with terminology after my time away, somehow FPB's got added to my acronym vocabulary.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: plurfekt]
#23579638 - 08/26/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah I've probably seen it before, it'll have been a few years since it was said though.
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Re: What kind of tape do you use on your FPB's? [Re: Inocuole]
#23579696 - 08/26/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh great I am getting old...
Edited by plurfekt (08/26/16 06:54 PM)
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