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ijustwantobehuman
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Probably contaminated ?
#23577214 - 08/25/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Day 7 monotub colonizing. Not sure about this but its not appealing
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bodhisatta 
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trash can yesterday
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23577270 - 08/25/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: cronicr]
#23577307 - 08/25/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont know what happened. Maybe because I used 1.5 qt spawn for a 27 L tub? Spawn seemed clean..... hmm
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No the spawn ratio wouldn't have done that your spawn was probably bad and maybe you partially sterilized or didn't pasteurize the sub well enough
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tell us what you did in detail and what teks you followed
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23577420 - 08/25/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did damions tek 50/50 coir verm just with 1.5 qt spawn
Allowed bucket to cool four hrs, sprayed inside of tub with alcohol/h2o mix and let sit til adding my sub and spawn.
I dont like the tape over the holes. Ductape sketches me out a little coming in contact..
Everything felt like I was doing well , same procedure... I'm thinking about after mixing in the bucket, putting them into jars and PCing for good measure.
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One time I didn't let my sub cool enough and spaced it out when I dumped the spawn well the sub was still warm to the touch so it had to of been over a hundred did it feel cool or warm ? The heat could have killed the myc
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ijustwantobehuman
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But that should be an irrelevant step really ...
If my coir verm was fine as usual, I'm betting it was the spawn. One jar was a week older than the other due to slower colonizing.
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Just use clean spawn...
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ijustwantobehuman
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noob47 said: One time I didn't let my sub cool enough and spaced it out when I dumped the spawn well the sub was still warm to the touch so it had to of been over a hundred did it feel cool or warm ? The heat could have killed the myc
It was definitely cooled down when I added spawn. Maybe too cool?
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Put the lighter down and slowly back away from the bong....
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: cronicr]
#23577466 - 08/25/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Put the lighter down and slowly back away from the bong....
LMAO ... no, myc doesn't die till freezing I believe it was probably bad spawn if you had any metabolites in the jar means there's was something in there
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Quote:
ijustwantobehuman said: I did damions tek 50/50 coir verm just with 1.5 qt spawn
Allowed bucket to cool four hrs, sprayed inside of tub with alcohol/h2o mix and let sit til adding my sub and spawn.
I dont like the tape over the holes. Ductape sketches me out a little coming in contact..
Everything felt like I was doing well , same procedure... I'm thinking about after mixing in the bucket, putting them into jars and PCing for good measure.
follow the directions helps.
Damion's tek isn't 50/50 at all his username is damion5050 his tek has nothing to do with half and half
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23577823 - 08/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Elitists everywhere
I thought egos died from shrooms, oops
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ijustwantobehuman said: Elitists everywhere
I thought egos died from shrooms, oops
These 'Elitists' are some of the best mushroom cultivators in the world.
What they are telling you is that you screwed up...
You say you used "Damion's 50/50 coir tek"... nothing about his tek is '50/50'. This automatically makes us believe that you did not prepare your substrate correctly.
Which leads me to this point. Your substrate looks like this right now:

This either means you cannot create clean grain spawn, OR, you messed up your substrate (not likely with coir).
You have neglected to do the required research to create a monotub.
You have also made yourself look like an ass.
No one here will really want to help out an ass. ----- Luckily, I am going to tell you exactly what you should do...in order.
1. Burn your current grow with fire. 2. Follow all teks to a 'T' and do not cut corners and do not deviate. (Check out Trusted Cultivators signature area for links that will help you immensely.) Or (Use the search button). 3. Post your grow and ask for feedback on your grow with an open mind and don't insult the people that give you free information. 4. Be happy when you get awesome flushes like this:

This was my very first monotub... I'm not some sort of wizard, I knew nothing about indoor grows when I started. I simply listened to the feedback of others and did a LOT of reading.
If you're serious about this, you need to do more on your end to make it work.
We're here to help you, not to be insulted.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: morty422]
#23578014 - 08/25/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's like baking a cake man. You follow the recipe. If you don't, you're gonna have a fucked up cake.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: morty422]
#23578084 - 08/25/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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ijustwantobehuman said: Elitists everywhere
I thought egos died from shrooms, oops
These 'Elitists' are some of the best mushroom cultivators in the world.
What they are telling you is that you screwed up...
You say you used "Damion's 50/50 coir tek"... nothing about his tek is '50/50'. This automatically makes us believe that you did not prepare your substrate correctly.
Which leads me to this point. Your substrate looks like this right now:

This either means you cannot create clean grain spawn, OR, you messed up your substrate (not likely with coir).
You have neglected to do the required research to create a monotub.
You have also made yourself look like an ass.
No one here will really want to help out an ass. ----- Luckily, I am going to tell you exactly what you should do...in order.
1. Burn your current grow with fire. 2. Follow all teks to a 'T' and do not cut corners and do not deviate. (Check out Trusted Cultivators signature area for links that will help you immensely.) Or (Use the search button). 3. Post your grow and ask for feedback on your grow with an open mind and don't insult the people that give you free information. 4. Be happy when you get awesome flushes like this:

This was my very first monotub... I'm not some sort of wizard, I knew nothing about indoor grows when I started. I simply listened to the feedback of others and did a LOT of reading.
If you're serious about this, you need to do more on your end to make it work.
We're here to help you, not to be insulted.

Picture in my avatar was my first attempt at a Monotub/cultivation ever. Went smoothly because I read a lot and then a little bit more before I started and once I stared I asked question the whole way thru. These guys are here to help you. Correcting your mistakes does not make anybody an elitist.
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: morty422]
#23578109 - 08/25/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Elitists everywhere
I thought egos died from shrooms, oopsQuote:
morty422 said:
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ijustwantobehuman said: Elitists everywhere
I thought egos died from shrooms, oops
These 'Elitists' are some of the best mushroom cultivators in the world.
What they are telling you is that you screwed up...
You say you used "Damion's 50/50 coir tek"... nothing about his tek is '50/50'. This automatically makes us believe that you did not prepare your substrate correctly.
Which leads me to this point. Your substrate looks like this right now:

This either means you cannot create clean grain spawn, OR, you messed up your substrate (not likely with coir).
You have neglected to do the required research to create a monotub.
You have also made yourself look like an ass.
No one here will really want to help out an ass. ----- Luckily, I am going to tell you exactly what you should do...in order.
1. Burn your current grow with fire. 2. Follow all teks to a 'T' and do not cut corners and do not deviate. (Check out Trusted Cultivators signature area for links that will help you immensely.) Or (Use the search button). 3. Post your grow and ask for feedback on your grow with an open mind and don't insult the people that give you free information. 4. Be happy when you get awesome flushes like this:

This was my very first monotub... I'm not some sort of wizard, I knew nothing about indoor grows when I started. I simply listened to the feedback of others and did a LOT of reading.
If you're serious about this, you need to do more on your end to make it work.
We're here to help you, not to be insulted.
Every single post I've made has been met with rudeness and passive aggressive condescending attitude. I never cried about it, and accepted criticism. I post here for help also and not condescending feedback from people who have been doing it years.
I posted because this is the first tub I've had out of 7 that turned out this way. I do my research and take notes and haven't came here to post repetitive noob issues I see daily here. i want to learn , not be belittled by people on the same pathway. Im not an idiot and I take this serious so when I refresh my post looking for productive answers and recommendations to see a bunch of veterans being sarcastic and talking to me like I'm a retard, I find it difficult to not give it back. Im here to learn not be belittled.
Thanks for the partial feedback and help
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Tuhdoww
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I would say try and pasteurize a different way. A way that you know for a fact it's pasteurized. I know it's said that its not needed for verm and coir but.. Why not be anal if it can only benefit you. I think pouring boiling water in a bucket to pastuerize something is kinda sketchy. Use a temp gage and do it to the definition.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578174 - 08/25/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or pressure cook it for 45 minutes to an hour I use hpoo so I pasteurize but did a cvg the other night and a few of the dudes that been doing it for years said sterilising cvg is just fine especially if there is some other bullshit in the coir
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578216 - 08/26/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you.
I've been contemplating it also because trying to mix it up and letting out heat in the process makes me feel that I'm leaving too much room for inconsistency.
Starting some more wbs jars tomorrow.
Going to look through teks on preparing the sub differently and figure out why my spawn isn't where it should be.
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Do you use agar ? Someone told me if the agar seems bumpy they don't use it because it could be a possible contam so I started looking at that to start with and I've had some that had bacteria that I left to see how it looked once it grew and the agar changed color once the myc started consuming the nutes and you couldn't even tell that it was bad so just keep an eye on that stuff
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Tuhdoww
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ijustwantobehuman said: Thank you.
I've been contemplating it also because trying to mix it up and letting out heat in the process makes me feel that I'm leaving too much room for inconsistency.
Starting some more wbs jars tomorrow.
Going to look through teks on preparing the sub differently and figure out why my spawn isn't where it should be.
Eliminate all possible variables
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578233 - 08/26/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't need to pasteurize coir. You don't even need to heat treat it. If you are getting massive mold contams with coir your spawn is shit. No ego, just fact.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578243 - 08/26/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know you say the coir is good but what about the gypsum or verm ? Couldn't those cause an issue
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No. They are minerals and mostly inert. Nothing is going to germinate on verm or gypsum.
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clean spawn over everything.
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578270 - 08/26/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Had to be the spawn I was skeptical about one of the jars but tried it anyway, seemed too wet.
I've seen teks on wbs saying drying it before pcing isnt necessary but I have to eliminate that extra moisture I feel.. naybe completely dry wbs will help
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I boil my grains for a little less that ten minutes before loading them cuz I don't feel like trying to get them to steam dry to pass the paper test. Sitting there shaking the colander forever. So when they PC they'll still suck up some of that extra moisture. I wouldn't advise doing it cuz it's a gamble on how much they'll really suck up. Just an idea
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ijustwantobehuman
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Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak + the boil next time and drying wbs externally
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578283 - 08/26/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Although I do try and get them as dry as possible without going crazy with it
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ijustwantobehuman said: Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak + the boil next time and drying wbs externally
24 hour soak and a 45 minute boil is much too long. You want to soak for 12-24 hours then bring the water to a simmer before straining all the water out and letting the WBS dry until it isn't wet on the outside anymore. At least that's how I do it I never bring the grains all the way to a rapid boil.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: EasyMac]
#23578353 - 08/26/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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EasyMac said:
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ijustwantobehuman said: Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak the boil next time and drying wbs externally
24 hour soak and a 45 minute boil is much too long. You want to soak for 12-24 hours then bring the water to a simmer before straining all the water out and letting the WBS dry until it isn't wet on the outside anymore. At least that's how I do it I never bring the grains all the way to a rapid boil.
Ok.. I guess I should have put two and two together. Wbs seemed on the mushy side also had a few burst .. this all tells me that theres too much water. The boil I was doing was soaking in boiling water in bucket 45 min.
Best tub I had I soaked about 18 hrs, sat in boiling water 45 min and then used a blow dryer to get the wbs dry to touch.. back to experimenting tomorrow.
Thanks for all the advice everyone.
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Good luck man can't wait to see your future results!
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: EasyMac]
#23578703 - 08/26/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Might be frowned upon to bump this, but I'm curious to what you all think this is exactly? I know I've seen or read about this a few days ago... has a weird sulfur chemical smell to it. (Two smells only ) trashed it.. here's a few pictures. Last one is a 3 day old tub... strange looking also.
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Pastywhyte
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That's like 3 species of mold. Mycogone for sure but God knows what else. Tighten up the spawn man. It must have been either bacterial as fuck or done in open air to end that badly.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578725 - 08/26/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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that first picture in the OP is pretty fucking cool tho i gotta say…..looks like lightning
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ijustwantobehuman said: Day 7 monotub colonizing. Not sure about this but its not appealing

1. Throw in the fire. 2. Make clean spawn. 3. Try again. You can do it!
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