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Boogieman47
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578174 - 08/25/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or pressure cook it for 45 minutes to an hour I use hpoo so I pasteurize but did a cvg the other night and a few of the dudes that been doing it for years said sterilising cvg is just fine especially if there is some other bullshit in the coir
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578216 - 08/26/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you.
I've been contemplating it also because trying to mix it up and letting out heat in the process makes me feel that I'm leaving too much room for inconsistency.
Starting some more wbs jars tomorrow.
Going to look through teks on preparing the sub differently and figure out why my spawn isn't where it should be.
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Boogieman47
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Do you use agar ? Someone told me if the agar seems bumpy they don't use it because it could be a possible contam so I started looking at that to start with and I've had some that had bacteria that I left to see how it looked once it grew and the agar changed color once the myc started consuming the nutes and you couldn't even tell that it was bad so just keep an eye on that stuff
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Tuhdoww
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ijustwantobehuman said: Thank you.
I've been contemplating it also because trying to mix it up and letting out heat in the process makes me feel that I'm leaving too much room for inconsistency.
Starting some more wbs jars tomorrow.
Going to look through teks on preparing the sub differently and figure out why my spawn isn't where it should be.
Eliminate all possible variables
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578233 - 08/26/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't need to pasteurize coir. You don't even need to heat treat it. If you are getting massive mold contams with coir your spawn is shit. No ego, just fact.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578243 - 08/26/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know you say the coir is good but what about the gypsum or verm ? Couldn't those cause an issue
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Pastywhyte
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No. They are minerals and mostly inert. Nothing is going to germinate on verm or gypsum.
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EasyMac
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clean spawn over everything.
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578270 - 08/26/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Had to be the spawn I was skeptical about one of the jars but tried it anyway, seemed too wet.
I've seen teks on wbs saying drying it before pcing isnt necessary but I have to eliminate that extra moisture I feel.. naybe completely dry wbs will help
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Tuhdoww
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I boil my grains for a little less that ten minutes before loading them cuz I don't feel like trying to get them to steam dry to pass the paper test. Sitting there shaking the colander forever. So when they PC they'll still suck up some of that extra moisture. I wouldn't advise doing it cuz it's a gamble on how much they'll really suck up. Just an idea
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ijustwantobehuman
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Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak + the boil next time and drying wbs externally
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Tuhdoww
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23578283 - 08/26/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Although I do try and get them as dry as possible without going crazy with it
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EasyMac
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ijustwantobehuman said: Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak + the boil next time and drying wbs externally
24 hour soak and a 45 minute boil is much too long. You want to soak for 12-24 hours then bring the water to a simmer before straining all the water out and letting the WBS dry until it isn't wet on the outside anymore. At least that's how I do it I never bring the grains all the way to a rapid boil.
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: EasyMac]
#23578353 - 08/26/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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EasyMac said:
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ijustwantobehuman said: Maybe a 24 hr soak plus sitting in boiling water for 45 min is over saturating the wbs too?
18 hr soak the boil next time and drying wbs externally
24 hour soak and a 45 minute boil is much too long. You want to soak for 12-24 hours then bring the water to a simmer before straining all the water out and letting the WBS dry until it isn't wet on the outside anymore. At least that's how I do it I never bring the grains all the way to a rapid boil.
Ok.. I guess I should have put two and two together. Wbs seemed on the mushy side also had a few burst .. this all tells me that theres too much water. The boil I was doing was soaking in boiling water in bucket 45 min.
Best tub I had I soaked about 18 hrs, sat in boiling water 45 min and then used a blow dryer to get the wbs dry to touch.. back to experimenting tomorrow.
Thanks for all the advice everyone.
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EasyMac
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Good luck man can't wait to see your future results!
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ijustwantobehuman
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: EasyMac]
#23578703 - 08/26/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Might be frowned upon to bump this, but I'm curious to what you all think this is exactly? I know I've seen or read about this a few days ago... has a weird sulfur chemical smell to it. (Two smells only ) trashed it.. here's a few pictures. Last one is a 3 day old tub... strange looking also.
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Pastywhyte
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That's like 3 species of mold. Mycogone for sure but God knows what else. Tighten up the spawn man. It must have been either bacterial as fuck or done in open air to end that badly.
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Re: Probably contaminated ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23578725 - 08/26/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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that first picture in the OP is pretty fucking cool tho i gotta say…..looks like lightning
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ijustwantobehuman said: Day 7 monotub colonizing. Not sure about this but its not appealing

1. Throw in the fire. 2. Make clean spawn. 3. Try again. You can do it!
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