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El Torcho
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Test your PC ID knowledge
#23576002 - 08/25/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Which one of these following 4 cacti are PC? One, some, all, none?
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Correct answer will be given sooner or later.
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: El Torcho]
#23576007 - 08/25/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Easy. C.
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musiclover420
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They all look like PC pach I have seen except for B. Even PC pach can have a fair amount of variation in appearance though
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Maximillion
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I have know idea what I'm talking about. A and B are my answers because I've seen C and D at plenty of nurseries in AZ.
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Maximillion]
#23576200 - 08/25/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maximillion said: I have know idea what I'm talking about. A and B are my answers because I've seen C and D at plenty of nurseries in AZ.
PC is called that becouse it is the "predominant cultivar" of pachanoi so seeing them at nurseries doesn't really mean much.
In fact they are probably the most common trich to be found in stores aside from more specialized cacti nurseries from what I have gathered.
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Maximillion
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musiclover420 said:
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Maximillion said: I have know idea what I'm talking about. A and B are my answers because I've seen C and D at plenty of nurseries in AZ.
"PC" "predominant cultivar" "pachanoi" "trich"
I see I have stepped into a world I know absolutely nothing about. Haha. My apologies, I really don't have the slightest clue what any of that terminology means.
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Maximillion]
#23576232 - 08/25/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm saying A. It looks Pc to me but that doesn't mean much. Trouts notes shows side by side pics of non pc and pc that almost look identical.. it's hard to tell unless you know where it came from
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Maximillion]
#23576250 - 08/25/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No worries, I was not trying to be a 
PC essentially just means common or standard as apposed to more rare and potent varieties.
Pachanoi is one of the 4 most common shamanic cacti along with T. Bridgesii and T. Peruvianus and of course Peyote.
Pachanoi are the most common and also have the widest potency variation. "PC pach" is the most common of the pach and also allegedly one of the weakest.
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Politically correct? No idea - all look the same to me anyway.
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the_r3dz
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Spanishfly]
#23580395 - 08/26/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe them all to be predominant cultivar
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: the_r3dz]
#23580860 - 08/26/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They all have that V notch, but A takes it to the extreme.
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Oggy]
#23580903 - 08/26/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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None!
All of them are some sort of trichocereus pachanoi cultivar. PC's are rectangular, spineless and have 3.5 inch floppy drives
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ferrel_human
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DualWieldRake said: None!
All of them are some sort of trichocereus pachanoi cultivar. PC's are rectangular, spineless and have 3.5 inch floppy drives
Now that you mention it.
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A and B definitely dont appear to be pc. C and D could possibly be.
Redz seeing as they all have v notches i would hav3 expected you to say they were all non pc
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: natedawgnow]
#23582000 - 08/26/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The ones with the notches can be deceptive. I've seen a lot of pc that looked a lot more like the first two I personally think there are few forms of PC with different lineages, not to mention growing conditions etc C and D are without a doubt, A/B are questionable
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musiclover420 said: Even PC pach can have a fair amount of variation in appearance though 
This!
And I laugh hard when it turns out the ones shown above are all outgrowths of the same plant. 
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Edited by Pandemoon (08/26/16 11:47 PM)
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El Torcho
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#23604560 - 09/02/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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(A) SS Huancabamba (B) Hutchinson et al 6212 (C) PC Pach (D) BK 10508.1
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: El Torcho]
#23605344 - 09/02/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool game. How does one tell?
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: El Torcho]
#23605379 - 09/02/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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El Torcho said: (A) SS Huancabamba (B) Hutchinson et al 6212 (C) PC Pach (D) BK 10508.1
Now the real question is what is the potency differance... Also if each one be potent or weak depending on the conditions and age.
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musiclover420 said:
Now the real question is what is the potency differance.
I have read, and been told, that PC is not any less potent, and also that it's weak, so it's a two way street I guess.
I have had PC that blew me away, and some that was very weak. I would think it would vary, like how psilocybin mushrooms vary in potency from one population to the next.
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Re: Test your PC ID knowledge [Re: Lucis]
#23605988 - 09/02/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah there seems to be a lot of conflicting info. Some pach just look so damn similiar and or can vary in appearance so much that it seems impossible for everything labelled a "pc pach" to be weak. Considering natural hybridization too there are a lot of possibilities. I have heard people theorize PC "pach" is actually a hybrid of some kind which seems possible.
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El Torcho
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It has been awhile since I've delved into Trout and 'The other guys' disagreement. If I remember correctly, a 'pc pach' is thought to be a weak Pachanoi and a Cuzco hybrid. I thought what brought about the disagreement was a 'pc pach' has white flowery hairs, where as a 'true pach' had black/dark flower hairs.
I don't think anything short of a full DNA analysis of each plant would end the debate as to their lineage. A bio assay would give alkaloid levels in each cultivar, but that could vary with growing conditions.
I was expecting (D) to get more hits. Its really green and looks like a standard pc. Whereas the plant I always assumed was a pc (C) (purchased from 'the other guy') is a lot more blueish than any pc pic I've seen before.
I also thought the widest variation of alkaloids occurred in Peruvians, some being potent some being so weak they aren't even considered active.
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