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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Svetaketu]
    #23556632 - 08/19/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's because it's a dumbshit puppet gimmick.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23557374 - 08/19/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@apostle

now sir, do we love a name, or do we identify with it?  that is, there is the self, and there is a name.  that which bridges the gap between the self and a name, which is environment, is relationship.  to be is to be related.  there is no being without being related. 

so we see that there is @apostle, and there is the speaker.  the gap between us is relationship.  that relationship is a flowing, unfolding, unnamable movement.  but that is of course not what is perceived.  instead, mind, sensing the overwhelming enormity of its relationship with environment, looks to approximate experience.  so then experience, which is not experiencing, is encapsulated by a label and stored.  this process of labelling abstract sensation, terming it, does effectively reduce, and compartmentalize experience for the purpose of identification and/or communication.  in the absence of relationship, there is no identification or communication, therefore there is no self.  so to be, sir, is to be related.  therefore there is no self without the terming, or approximation of experience. 

so then sir, if your relationship with the speaker's name is not love, but instead identification, what is love, fundamentally?  what is love mechanically?  may we go into it?




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: EllisDSox] * 3
    #23557380 - 08/19/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Svetaketu]
    #23557799 - 08/19/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@Svetaketu,

rest assured sir, the speaker is not trying to mislead anyone or inflate his intelligence.  on the contrary.  the only goal of the speaker is to convey the metaconcept and award THE BIG BIG MONEY to one of you sirs/sirsettes.  you see, conveyance of the metaconcept can occur only through the process of negation.  the addition of layers, of ideals, formulas, explanations will only serve to destroy the metaconcept.  it cannot be discerned by positive thinking. 

to understand the metaconcept one first must discern a series of subconcepts.  each of these concepts negate the self and are integrated mechanically.  as we move through them, you will begin to notice this mechanical integration.  and, at a certain point, the entire thing will come full circle and the metaconcept will be unveiled.  that is, we will chip away at it through negation.  and if this seems paradoxical that's because it is.  consciousness is a paradox.  truth is a paradox.  just as it is a paradox to reveal the metaconcept through negation, while simultaneously doing so through cumulative ideation.

then there is the matter of the speaker's rhetoric.  which part do you find particularly tough to swallow?  the use of the word sir and sirsette or the fact that the speaker is calling himself the speaker?  this is calculated sir.  it is being done to help to negate the self and therefore move closer to discerning the metaconcept.  that is, when you hear someone call themselves the speaker, you might be inclined to approximate them in a certain way.  and that is what we have been seeing so far, isn't it sir?  people telling the speaker to fuck off, labelling him and so forth...  everything but meeting the speaker, earnestly, in communion.  does that explain it?  should we go more into it? 

or, if we are ready to begin, sir what divides challenge from response?  not the particular challenge or the particular response, but what divides challenge from response fundamentally?  mechanically?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23558530 - 08/19/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@Svetaketu,

rest assured sir, the speaker is not trying to mislead anyone or inflate his intelligence.  on the contrary.  the only goal of the speaker is to convey the metaconcept and award THE BIG BIG MONEY to one of you sirs/sirsettes.  you see, conveyance of the metaconcept can occur only through the process of negation.  the addition of layers, of ideals, formulas, explanations will only serve to destroy the metaconcept.  it cannot be discerned by positive thinking. 

to understand the metaconcept one first must discern a series of subconcepts.  each of these concepts negate the self and are integrated mechanically.  as we move through them, you will begin to notice this mechanical integration.  and, at a certain point, the entire thing will come full circle and the metaconcept will be unveiled.  that is, we will chip away at it through negation.  and if this seems paradoxical that's because it is.  consciousness is a paradox.  truth is a paradox.  just as it is a paradox to reveal the metaconcept through negation, while simultaneously doing so through cumulative ideation.




My intuition tells me to be weary of this kind of logic, after all "if you can't explain something simply, you dont understand it well enough". I have heard similarly phrased arguments "proving" the supernatural or the like, which I don't find convincing.


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then there is the matter of the speaker's rhetoric.  which part do you find particularly tough to swallow?  the use of the word sir and sirsette or the fact that the speaker is calling himself the speaker?  this is calculated sir.  it is being done to help to negate the self and therefore move closer to discerning the metaconcept.  that is, when you hear someone call themselves the speaker, you might be inclined to approximate them in a certain way.  and that is what we have been seeing so far, isn't it sir?  people telling the speaker to fuck off, labelling him and so forth...  everything but meeting the speaker, earnestly, in communion.  does that explain it?  should we go more into it? 

or, if we are ready to begin, sir what divides challenge from response?  not the particular challenge or the particular response, but what divides challenge from response fundamentally?  mechanically?




I understand the purpose of your rhetoric, but it makes it a little difficult to tell if you are really taking this seriously or just trolling. It also makes it seem as though you consider yourself enlightened and have come to teach us, this seems pretentious, and doesn't seem to be winning the appreciation of fellow shroomerites.

As to your questions, they seem vague to me. Are you speaking in the context of a conversation? As in one person challenging another vs one person responding to another?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Svetaketu]
    #23558710 - 08/19/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@svetaketu,

not supernatural sir.  on the contrary.  the metaconcept cannot be explained because of the nature of authority.  that is, there is authority in the form the police, government, your boss at work and so on, but there is also authority in the form of ideals, preconception, formulas, tradition, conclusion and so on.  does that make sense sir?  as soon as one adopts a certain inward authority, perception becomes skewed.  a simple example might be if the speaker were to adopt the belief that he believes in aliens, or all black people are criminals, or women are stupid, or my god is the correct god, or there is reincarnation, or that i am shy around a particular person, or that a particular person is intimidating, or that i am worthless, that my life is meaningless, and so on and so on.  quickly we can see how these ideas become authoritative in that they corral thought which is action and perception.  so one very quickly becomes a slave to their ideals. 

so authority therefore destroys understanding in that the moment one adopts an authoritative ideal, action, which is perception, becomes compulsion.  that is one of the reasons that the metaconcept cannot be communicated in essay format.  the moment you believe what the speaker says, understanding is destroyed.  so you must come upon the metaconcept independently in the sense that you reach it free from belief. 

the metaconcept is composed of a series of conceptual cogs that interrelate.  each one negates the self and to negate the self is not to add to it with the accumulation of ideals which is authority. 

the speaker is not looking to win appreciation from anyone.  the speaker would find that personally distasteful as appreciation of the one is unappreciation of the many.  appreciated mechanically is the relationship between the appreciator and the appreciated.  but are the appreciator and the appreciated separate?  or is the appreciator created by identification with the appreciated?  if we see that, then we see the whole movement of appreciation. 

then there is the matter of whether the speaker is enlightened.  whatever that means.  to the speaker, enlightenment exists only as a false approximation and never an actual state.  reality is always shifting and never static, so to approximate is fundamentally false.  so the speaker is not enlightened. 

the speaker is not here to teach you anything.  all of the answers can be readily observed in yourself.  so look to yourself and find out if what the speaker is saying is true. 

challenge and response with regard to perception sir.  there is a challenge, which is always new, which is environment, and then there is a response, which is always old, which is memory.  the two, in actuality, are not separate, one flows into the other, but they become separated perceptually.  why do they separate?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23569136 - 08/23/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They separate because we need identification to essentially exist...

What is left when all labels of identification are gone? That is where we find what is fundamentally and mechanical operating on that which can truly be considered, "right interest." The inner workings of "reality," what purpose it serves and why. Which of course goes back to the contradictory nature ot our reality. We are not supposed to "understand" it. It is in the realm of pure experience. Words do not even exist there, in what is fundamentally right.

We're just here for a ride. On this ride, everything is flowing as it should. We can fight it if we wish, or go with it, or anything in-between. Either way. It is already correct, flowing through it's necessary cycles that which we exist in. I like it. I dislike it. It is everything and nothing. Nothingness, that is, experience beyond labels and identification, is everything.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity]
    #23572915 - 08/24/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@ DinduNuffin

Love your name and the way you write. By chance are you located in the Ojai area? How did you come across this challenge? And where does one submit to their experiences?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: EsotericTraveler]
    #23574286 - 08/24/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@bombdiggity,

do we sir?  do we need identification to exist?  or is identification an accident of existence?  that is, there is the capacity to store experience.  to label and package it.  and once we give it a name, a value, it becomes that which we identify with.  it becomes a lesser or greater element of the self.  but what happens when we do not give to experience a name? 

and what does it mean we are not supposed to?  who supposes?  surely the only supposer is the mind.  and surely that mind, or the mind collectively, is itself the process of discernment.  isn't that what's going on right now sir?  the worldwide minds collectively discerning the mechanical components of environment?  500 years ago were we not supposed to know about nuclear power?  who could have supposed such a claim?  can one really claim one is not supposed to know what is the unknown?  surely one can only consider the known.  and the unknown is the unfolded reality of which there can be no supposition.  so therefore it cannot be said we are not supposed to know what is not known.  is that not so sir?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23574483 - 08/24/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I read the first post and thought, 'sVs will be all over this thread'. Am I enlightened? :yay:


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23574858 - 08/25/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
    #23575127 - 08/25/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We don't need identification to exist, but we silly humans have created the system of identification and labels and such, in such a manner, that I think I can safely say that.. most people feel we need indentation to exist.. because to be nothing is super frightening to most. Myself included, I am trying to get comfortable with being "nothing," hopefully I have better luck with my next ego death haha.

I can agree that the mind is the one supposing what should or shouldn't be known. We are always discovering new unknowns, thus is true.
What I am getting at is that it seems that the correctness of everything, what is fundamentally right... Is already happening.. So even if someone does something we've labeled as "bad" such as murder and rape and things of the like (which I personally don't condone)... Fundamentally they are doing what is right, on the grand scheme of things. Those acts we consider "bad" are possible.. despite their label, they are possible, and they happen every day. Just as good things happen every day.. and yet, life still knows how to continue on. Even those afflicted by such good or bad or whatever actions.. learn how to cope in different ways.. for life to go on... even if "going on" results in something extreme, like suicide.
No matter what, life knows how to keep itself balanced, it knows what it is doing with its entire composition, it's energy. Fundamentally it is always flowing in its "right interest".


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity]
    #23575466 - 08/25/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@bombdiggity,

now sir, is not being nothing the same as being something?  that is, abolishing the self, whether through an act of will or some method, is surely another layer of self definition.  certainly we are not, in actuality, nothing, but rather an integration.  that is, consciousness is the product of the integration between the capacity to perceive and store experience and the what is, which are one.  put differently, the means, and the ends are always the same.  they are only divided by the self through the fear of discontinuation. 

sir, to you, what are we outside of the self concept?  not what is the self compelled by the concept of forced discontinuation, or the self in isolation, but what does it mean to relate to another free of the self concept?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23575481 - 08/25/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@BRK,

sir the speaker does not know what is sVs.  sVs is therefore the unknown to the speaker.  so therefore the speaker cannot consider the unknown.  one cannot seek the unknown only the known.  so then can one seek enlightenment?  surely enlightenment is the unknown and not the known.  so can enlightenment be sought?  can one project the idea of the enlightened state from the past, which is the known?  if not, and one can only project the known, then the state of enlightenment exists only as a false approximation and never a reality.  is that not so sir?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23575490 - 08/25/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@esoterictraveller,

submit your experiences right here.  they must be read by all participants as the winner is to be discerned universally.  if the winner is not discerned universally there must be duality, conflict, contradiction, which is the self.  the self destroys understanding. 

now what is love, fundamentally?  may we go into it?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23575517 - 08/25/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@peyotezen,

indeed.  now most will run from this conversation.  for most, the self is too tightly guarded by a network of conclusions.  perhaps you have eaten PEYOTE, but you have not yet completed the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE.  now sir what is it about the speaker that frightens you?  not your particular fear, but what do you fear about the speaker fundamentally?

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23575546 - 08/25/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@something super extreme,

surely to approximate the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE as a 'dumbshit puppet gimmick' is merely a relative approximation.  and to approximate something relatively, is a form of misunderstanding.  madam, to understand a problem integrally, there cannot be the authority of perspective. 

but isn't that what most of us are doing madam?  moving through environment as mere slaves to compulsion, slaves to the past?  most of us are walking around pointing fingers, asserting subjective claims.  this is a that!  and that is a this!  but never understanding the integral nature of things.  it is through relationship that the self is revealed. 

now madam, tell the speaker what he is, so then you may find out what you are.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23575919 - 08/25/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It seems like your metaconcept is just the common "all is one one is all" perspective that gets talked about commonly on this website. If thats the case, aren't you over complicating it a little?

Also, didn't "KRISHNAMURTI" come to the metaconcept after NEVER having taken a psychedelic? why is it necessary for us to? couldn't we just read the book and find it ourselves? Furthermore why do you specify that it must be CACTUS? Would mushrooms not make you come to the same conclusion? or even LSD?

How do you expect the winner to be discerned universally when most people in the thread aren't taking it seriously and think your a troll? Whats to stop them from banding together right now and declaring me (or anyone else) the winner?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23575937 - 08/25/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23577209 - 08/25/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Please. Let this thread die.


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