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Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? Edit..new advise please TY <3
    #23575071 - 08/25/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've noticed it's a lot easier to be mindful of difficult emotions and memories when tripping.

Also you get shit brought to you that isn't normally floating around your conciousness mind.

I was wondering if anyone has a process of practice for trauma emotions and memories?

Do you deliberately evoke flashbacks or fear and then sit with it?


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: littlespider] * 2
    #23575118 - 08/25/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've noticed it's a lot easier to be mindful of difficult emotions and memories when tripping.

Also you get shit brought to you that isn't normally floating around your conciousness mind.

I was wondering if anyone has a process of practice for trauma emotions and memories?

Do you deliberately evoke flashbacks or fear and then sit with it?




I have PTSD due to a sexual trauma inflicted on me when I was a child. I've been diagnosed and am undergoing CBT. Alongside it I am taking Psychedelics.

Mushrooms are really therapeutic. They allow you to think about dark, painful things but there's a certain softness to the thought. On my last powerful trip, I felt intense sadness and happiness simultaneously....

It was so intense that tears poured from my eyes and I cried. It was so medicinal for me I can't describe it.

Mushrooms will bring things to the surface, even things that are buried deep but you will see them in a different way.

They kinda helped me live life in a different. I'm much more aware of my consciousness now. Emotions are just a supplement to life and should be seen as a condiment to life in general. The real gift is our awareness and consciousness.

If you can find satisfaction in this alone, you will have a beautiful life. Even when things get tough. Sadness, anger, pain and grief. Try and acknowledge the beauty of life. The fact we can experience such things is incredible and it's limited.

That's what they did to me. I need another trip on shrooms. I found lasting benefit.

Going into a trip I will have a goal and that can be the theme of the experience. I don't need to invoke anything whilst tripping if I go into it with a thought. Generally the mushrooms bring the thoughts up for me.


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23575248 - 08/25/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can read stanislav grof books, he used to do psychotherapies using lsd (shrooms weren't in the scene yet and they are way better than lsd)


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: littlespider]
    #23575451 - 08/25/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No it actually happened out of nowhere.


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23578524 - 08/26/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks folks. Ah grest some reading to do :smile:

And deep thanks for your post YeOlde.

I've had the weeping eyes and watching life's emotional kaleidoscope.

I like that method.
I picked a theme I wanted. INTEGRATION. And stayed open to things coming and going as they move through me. It put me in mind of Hunter S Thompson "you can't turn your back on a drug" and Bob Marley "you can't run from yourself". I was a couple of days off Mirtazapine and day two on mushrooms so I was right into it.

It really made me aware of the state of terror quietly running in the background all the time. And how I turn myself away from things. Feelings in my body, emotions, people, my own heart beat. I've listened to a lot of mindfulness, ACT and radical acceptance stuff lately and they help along the mindful attention and integrating all the aspects of difficult states. And I felt really sad for myself that I am in this quiet terror all the time.

While I could tune into what was happening on a really subtle level I could work with it too. And there where moments of liberation when my body open and relaxed. And moments I felt very well. Sitting in the grass with my boggy feet, sweaty and watching the clouds wrap around the peaks all around me.

The best learning was the taking on board in a real cellular sense that these states of fear and sadness aren't me. They are just passing through. I can see where that would go on a more intense trip (I only take enough for things to be mildly distored). Realising my thoughts aren't me, my emotions aren't me, my body feelings are just passing through, as the fields in the valley opposite started to melt I can imagine with a stronger trip I would be faced more and more with my inner world, as my senses failed, and more and more with each inner experience I would discover that wasn't me either. That's where I begin to stop seeing the definition between me and the rest of creation. I get a real big picture view of reality and my little human experience of my phisical body with its tensions and hormones seems so much more temporary.

I think you can set an intention or theme as you go in. But the mushrooms will ultimately choose what you are there to learn that day.

I'd love to hear how you get on. I shall follow this forum <3


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: littlespider]
    #23580086 - 08/26/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Shrooms plus mediation is a great way to open yourself up to painful memories and relive them in a more objective light.

Shrooms are world-renound for their ability to invoke deep introspection about one's own life or the Universe at large.

I would practice sober meditation first then once you get good at that, try doing shrooms and meditation together. I can imagine get sucess with the combo.

Finding the right dosage will be tricky thou, but thats part of the journey :smile:

Good luck in your deep travels :thumbup:


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23585791 - 08/28/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Logical.
I'm fairly well practiced with meditation. And have been using mindfulness to trest emotional dysregulation. It's increasingly been a practice of turning towards experiences rather than disconnecting for uncomfortable stuff. The mushrooms seem to work well with that. Stuff is revealed! You cannot turn from it. It's a bit like exposure therapy. A flooding exposure of my inner world. Amazing how frightened I am of me, but the more I practice welcoming what I find the easier everything gets :smile:


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: littlespider]
    #23585962 - 08/28/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

According to stan grof: psychs tends to bring out things from your unconscious so in the first trips you face your recent psychological traumas and childhood problems and when you work them out and the more you trip especially on medium and large dosages, the more your trips become mystical and transcendental in nature.

Not that you cant get spiritual experiences on the first few trips but it happen more often after facing your emotional and mental problems.


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: oontribe]
    #23586710 - 08/28/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some of my most spiritual trips happened in the midsts of clear and powerful catharsis and emotional abreactions so what are you saying?
Are you saying spiritual experiences are always pleasant or "easy"? Because if so I disagree.


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: oontribe]
    #23586892 - 08/28/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not that you cant get spiritual experiences on the first few trips but it happen more often after facing your emotional and mental problems.




What i mean by spiritual is the experiences where you feel the unity of the universe or with god and those kinds of experiences.

Of course there are hell, insanity or no way out experiences, but i wouldnt call them spiritual!


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: oontribe]
    #23587165 - 08/28/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not saying a rough experience is spiritual but a spiritual experience can certainly be rough and deal with those things. And yes I mean spiritual in the sense of something supernatural and mystical and being connected to "God" while experiencing psychological abreactions and catharsis.

When I experience catharsis on mushrooms it's not like that's the only thing that's going on, I also feel connected to the after life simultaneously as well as my soul. It's usually all connected.

A lot of people's definition of "spiritual" is simply something meaningful but to me something spiritual is something supernatural.


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23589067 - 08/29/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

O_o


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    #23590932 - 08/29/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Should we pick up where we left off, if I still want to kiss him should I?




Yes


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23591047 - 08/29/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Should we pick up where we left off, if I still want to kiss him should I?




Yes



Decisive, I like it. Thanks.

It's on.

We had a bit of a chat about bonding when you drop together with a few sensible ground rules and we are off to mushroom spot and camp in the meadow!


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Re: Tripping process for treating PTSD - mindfulness? [Re: littlespider]
    #23591085 - 08/29/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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