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akira_akuma said: no, fucking, goddamn, shit. but genes do have something to do with it. who the fuck is gonna tell me how language develops with out genes that help construct the means to develop and learn a language.
http://news.mit.edu/2014/language-gene-0915
is Omen the stone flower gonna explain this away? or just say that it had nothing to do with anything -- because i don't think he can make that decision for people. i'll decide what connections to my train of thought i make, and i'll decide how to frame my thoughts. but whatever. people wanna argue over pointless idiocy, instead of just shaking their little head and admitting, "oh yeah, genes do have to with the development of language, i must be a complete retard for thinking otherwise". an obvious point, where there is no contention to be made, not without said contention being made by a retard. nevertheless, people raise their children to speak a certain way, but those children learn to speak due to genetic factors that give them the ability to learn, and besides that alone, also, the ability to learn LANGUAGE. see above link for more details.
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clock_of_omens said: So for no real reason then. That has nothing to do with what SPC or Crumist said.
no. you're just a 
it has everything to do with what SPC and Crumist said. they were talking about how the way some black people speak makes them sound dumb according to SPC, and Crumist explained how it's a sort of dialect that is well understood and not "dumb" at all -- i reiterated how this is the case, ie, how it isn't "dumb" or a reflection of anyone's intelligence, but rather how this dialect ("ebonics") is quite natural to some, due to the reasons i stated; those reasons being that the systems which develop, neurologically, are developed from genetic factors. it's simple, you just chose to take my words far too literally, as if i was saying that 'the codes to language are embedded in the DNA itself!' -- yeah, you're not good at twisting words, particularly.
that's how that is related. you can't see that, because -- oh and keep being pompous.
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so we have more than one opinion: does anyone have anything conclusive? all i've seen is links to sources concluding what i am saying. 
keep trying though, varmints.
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How's the weather down there, rabbit? Have you reached China yet?
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don't really care. people will misapprehend anything. people are stupid.
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clock_of_omens
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: qman]
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i merely phrased "learned language acquisition" as "driven by DNA"
No you didn't. What you said was that it is ingrained in their DNA to speak that way. This after you condescendingly went off about understanding science. When in one sentence you invoke science and in the next make a claim using scientific language, it is completely fair to take that sentence literally and not as some supposed metaphor. Fucking stupid. Also:
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clock_of_omens said: Seriously though, non-snarkily. Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
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now here's why your comments are dumb as fuck. you're gonna defend a plainly idiotic comment like "75% of all black people sound dumb", instead of correct him and explain to him (like Crumist did) that that "dumb sound" is a recognized language...so like i said, it's like him saying Chinese is "dumb". it makes no sense. tell me, Omen, tell me in words, how does that make sense. no twisting... tell me how saying "Chinese sounds dumb" makes sense. go.
I didn't defend his statement. Learn to read. All I said was that your comment didn't have anything to do with his opinion that it sounds dumb. You can cite shit all day long about ebonics, but if SPC thinks it sounds retarded, then he thinks it sounds retarded.
Whether "Chinese sounds dumb" makes sense or not, if someone thinks it sounds dumb, then they think it sounds dumb.
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besides the point. Standard English is a construct. nothing more.
The dominant language construct in American society.
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nothing but how you can't grasp metaphor
No, I can grasp metaphor perfectly well. I knew you were going to come back and claim it was a metaphor when I called you on it. You obviously don't grasp the fact that words have literal meanings and if you are going to state something, you should probably pay a at least a bit of attention to the literal meaning to make sure you aren't saying something fucking stupid, as you did.
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PS: what me and Crumist said was pointless? no. fuck off. we can say wtf we want, we can share our opinions like anyone else
Never said you couldn't. If you want to say pointless things, go ahead. I won't stop you. But if those pointless things are in fact wrong, I'll point it out.
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clock_of_omens
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akira_akuma said: people are stupid. 
Yeah people who run their mouth about shit they don't understand and then claim they were just talking metaphorically.
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no, more like people who can't grasp that people talk figuratively and not literally all the time, because reiterating things in a textbook fashion consistently all the time is boring. dude. don't feel bad because you misunderstood some things, and berated me and Crumist for it, because you're a blow-hard.
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No you didn't. What you said was that it is ingrained in their DNA to speak that way.
wrong. i didn't say "ingrained". i said "driven". fuck, you are 
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but if SPC thinks it sounds retarded, then he thinks it sounds retarded.
he didn't say "he thinks" they sound retarded; he said "they sound retarded". two completely different things, gormless.
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The dominant language construct in American society.
so?
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wrong. i didn't say "ingrained". i said "driven". fuck, you are
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you realize -- at least -- the concept of science, right? it's INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.

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nice argument, learn that from Stefan?
PS: i already reiterated what i had said. like i said already, not literal, figurative language.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23627329#23627329
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the DNA is driven by environmental factors though
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Dude it's right there in dark blue and white. You don't even know what you said.
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PS: i already reiterated what i had said. like i said already, not literal, figurative language.
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clock_of_omens said: Seriously though, non-snarkily. Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
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clock_of_omens said: Dude it's right there in dark blue and white. You don't even know what you said.
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akira_akuma said:
PS: i already reiterated what i had said. like i said already, not literal, figurative language.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23627329#23627329
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the DNA is driven by environmental factors though
dude, Omen. just STFU already, i know what i said, it's all up above. my words are not set in stone you know. again...get it through your thick skull...language is not always literal, people talk in generalities, figurative language, ect...get it through your thick head.
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clock_of_omens said: Seriously though, non-snarkily. Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
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Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
it's not a false statement. "ingrained" is not a literal statement of the facts...it's a figurative notion, a way to state the occurrence of DNA drives for acquiring language, without getting into technical bafflegab. jesus. you suck. you are worse than i am. you're worse than poid.
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INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.
i said ESSENTIALLY. as in IN ESSENCE. that is to say "basically and without regard for peripheral details; fundamentally."
jesus, omen. jesus. fucking. christ. it's here in white and black for you.
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Spoken language is genetic. Written language is a learned skill.
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akira_akuma said:
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Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
it's not a false statement. "ingrained" is not a literal statement of the facts...it's a figurative notion, a way to state the occurrence of DNA drives for acquiring language, without getting into technical bafflegab. jesus. you suck. you are worse than i am. you're worse than poid.
Wow...Dude. I said "when your metaphor is taken literally is an actually false statement" and you come back with claiming it was just a metaphor again. Truly stunning display of not being able to read or comprehend at all.
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akira_akuma said: PS: Quote:
INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.
i said ESSENTIALLY. as in IN ESSENCE. that is to say "basically and without regard for peripheral details; fundamentally."
jesus, omen. jesus. fucking. christ. it's here in white and black for you.
Exactly. The 'essentially' makes it worse.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: koods]
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koods said: Spoken language is genetic. Written language is a learned skill.
Go on...
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no, it doesn't. i said "essentially", as in 'those are the essentials in what SPC needs to know based on my interlocution here'.
that post wasn't even directed at you, and you're arguing some pointless shit.
you think what Crumist said was pointless, too, you said. explain that. explain any of your bullshit, please.
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koods said: Spoken language is genetic. Written language is a learned skill.
Go on...
you "go on".
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