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Infants are likely genetically predisposed to language acquisition full stop, but not any specific language. If all you meant was the former, then your original supposedly metaphorical reply to SPC was pointless. This is what you said:
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it's INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.
Taken literally, that is just plain false. Taken metaphorically as you have outlined, it is pointless as a response, as you said nothing against what SPC was saying. It doesn't matter what linguistic connections ebonics has to other dialects. The fact is they only speak that way because of the culture they grew up in. Wrong or useless, take your pick.
Seriously though, non-snarkily. Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
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Koods does that a lot when his fallacious arguments get smashed to bits. Such a snake.
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clock_of_omens said: Infants are likely genetically predisposed to language acquisition full stop, but not any specific language. If all you meant was the former, then your original supposedly metaphorical reply to SPC was pointless. This is what you said:
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it's INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.
Taken literally, that is just plain false. Taken metaphorically as you have outlined, it is pointless as a response, as you said nothing against what SPC was saying. It doesn't matter what linguistic connections ebonics has to other dialects. The fact is they only speak that way because of the culture they grew up in. Wrong or useless, take your pick.
Seriously though, non-snarkily. Don't you think that when your metaphor taken literally is an actually false statement, you should just say what you mean flat out?
Crumist put it best, i was just reiterating (which you can infer from my full post, as i said, "it was already explained to him") what he said to SPC. they only speak that way because of the culture they grew up in. YES. what the fuck are you inferring from me, that doesn't compute? yes, due to THEIR CULTURE, they speak a certain dialect, (or no, does it just come out of thin air?) and due to that dialect they speak, that way of speaking will be imprinted in the child during it's development, and it will be behaviorally attuned to speaking in that way it learned from the dialect spoken to it by it's mother.
so we're saying the same thing, only you just wanna argue pointlessly about my phrasing, because you don't like the pointlessness of my comment. well, good for you. your comment is a comment of a supposedly pointless comment. what the fuck does that make your comment?
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So why exactly did you bring up genetics in your first post?
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because it is my understanding that a linguistic "trigger" (if you will) that causes one to learn a language, as they are developing -- most likely from their mother (hence the term mother tongue) but also from whomever is raising them -- is responsible for the learning process of understanding said language (or any language, but we're talking languages that we are born into, so to speak); and that that "trigger" is borne of your genetic DNA, ie, the DNA is responsible for said "trigger", eg,the trigger is regulated by DNA and it's constituents therefrom (hormones, neurotransmitters, &e)
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The conversation between you and clock has confused the fuck out of me. I don't understand if we are talking about biology or sociology or what. I think there was a case of genuine miscommunication, though. Nobody is being obtuse on purpose.
I've never heard of this genetic "trigger" for language learning and I am a bit suspicious. I wouldn't imagine our understanding of language was so great that we can draw connections between learning and the nucleic acids. I'd compare that to trying to understand how an internal combustion engine works using the subatomic particles. The gap is too great. I'll read any link you have though.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
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https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/first-language-wires-brain-later-language-learning-257068
you want a better analogy? think of it as a gate that's open most when you are young, for establishing your first language.
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So for no real reason then. That has nothing to do with what SPC or Crumist said.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: qman]
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Fuck the Alt-Right!
All the hep cats know NRx is where it's at nowadays anyways.
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clock_of_omens said: Dude, if you meant that environment influences genes, maybe say that. Maybe say what you mean instead of saying things that are actually false and claiming metaphor to cover your ass.
At the end, you once again claim genes have something to do with a 'mother tongue'. They don't. What language a person speaks and how they speak it is entirely environmental. A Chinese person is not genetically predisposed to speak Chinese. They pick up whatever language is spoken in their environment. Genes have nothing to do with it.
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stop acting so pompous.
Nah.
emboldened is truth. Take an "asian" baby, or any baby with an ethnicity other than the one they are and raise them in that environment/way of speaking and they will speak that way.
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no, fucking, goddamn, shit. but genes do have something to do with it. who the fuck is gonna tell me how language develops with out genes that help construct the means to develop and learn a language.
http://news.mit.edu/2014/language-gene-0915
is Omen the stone flower gonna explain this away? or just say that it had nothing to do with anything -- because i don't think he can make that decision for people. i'll decide what connections to my train of thought i make, and i'll decide how to frame my thoughts. but whatever. people wanna argue over pointless idiocy, instead of just shaking their little head and admitting, "oh yeah, genes do have to with the development of language, i must be a complete retard for thinking otherwise". an obvious point, where there is no contention to be made, not without said contention being made by a retard. nevertheless, people raise their children to speak a certain way, but those children learn to speak due to genetic factors that give them the ability to learn, and besides that alone, also, the ability to learn LANGUAGE. see above link for more details.
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clock_of_omens said: So for no real reason then. That has nothing to do with what SPC or Crumist said.
no. you're just a 
it has everything to do with what SPC and Crumist said. they were talking about how the way some black people speak makes them sound dumb according to SPC, and Crumist explained how it's a sort of dialect that is well understood and not "dumb" at all -- i reiterated how this is the case, ie, how it isn't "dumb" or a reflection of anyone's intelligence, but rather how this dialect ("ebonics") is quite natural to some, due to the reasons i stated; those reasons being that the systems which develop, neurologically, are developed from genetic factors. it's simple, you just chose to take my words far too literally, as if i was saying that 'the codes to language are embedded in the DNA itself!' -- yeah, you're not good at twisting words, particularly.
that's how that is related. you can't see that, because -- oh and keep being pompous.
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Nah bro. I already said that genes play a role in language acquisition full stop. Not in the specific language spoken. If you can't understand the difference between genes playing a role in the ability for humans to acquire language and genes playing a role in the specific language learned, then you are the one who is my friend.
Yes, SPC said ebonics sounds unintelligent. However well understood that dialect is, it doesn't have anything to do with SPC's opinion that it sounds dumb. However it is that blacks learn to speak ebonics, it doesn't have anything to do with SPC's opinion that it sounds dumb. Therefore your comment, and crumists as well, were basically irrelevant. I didn't have a problem with crumist's comment, because he didn't state something flat out false.
Also, Standard English is called that for a reason. Ebonics is grammatically incorrect according to the rules of Standard English. Furthermore, there is a difference between Ebonics and the way gangsta kids talk with the constant slurring and saying 'know what I'm saying' three times per sentence.
The reason I even replied to you in the first place is because your supposed metaphorical statement was actually just a false statement, so I had to address that nonsense. Who's now?
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yeah, you're not good at twisting words, particularly.
Lol, I didn't twist any words, dude. I just read what you said. If the words are already twisted when they are put online, then reading them straight is twisted. Maybe learn to express yourself clearly if you're going to be talking about scientific concepts. Clarity is the hallmark of scientific writing.
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i'm not scientist, i'll give you that. but i don't give a fuck if you can't read my words in clarity. if that doesn't suit you, then too fucking bad. my words meant, in actuality, the truth.
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Nah bro. I already said that genes play a role in language acquisition full stop. Not in the specific language spoken. If you can't understand the difference between genes playing a role in the ability for humans to acquire language and genes playing a role in the specific language learned, then you are the one who is my friend.
no one said anything about a specific language learned, gormy...do i need to get the fucking cook or some shit?
i said that when SPC said that black people talk retarded, he was being retarded, because those people he's referring to talk the way they do because it's natural and comprehensible to them (it's like saying 'what, you speak Chinese? that sounds retarded, stop it; i don't understand it, thus it's dumb'), and it's natural and comprehensible to them because a: it's a dialect of the language they understand and have grown up with, or learned later on and b: because it comes, literally, naturally, to most of these people. why that is is because of language acquisition , like you said.
i merely phrased "learned language acquisition" as "driven by DNA"
like i said, you take every word so literally, and that is a plainly ridiculous thing to do. also, very boring.
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Yes, SPC said ebonics sounds unintelligent. However well understood that dialect is, it doesn't have anything to do with SPC's opinion that it sounds dumb. However it is that blacks learn to speak ebonics, it doesn't have anything to do with SPC's opinion that it sounds dumb. Therefore your comment, and crumists as well, were basically irrelevant. I didn't have a problem with crumist's comment, because he didn't state something flat out false.
no. it's not. SPC's comment is dumb as all fuck and he was explained why.
now here's why your comments are dumb as fuck. you're gonna defend a plainly idiotic comment like "75% of all black people sound dumb", instead of correct him and explain to him (like Crumist did) that that "dumb sound" is a recognized language...so like i said, it's like him saying Chinese is "dumb". it makes no sense. tell me, Omen, tell me in words, how does that make sense. no twisting... tell me how saying "Chinese sounds dumb" makes sense. go.
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Also, Standard English is called that for a reason. Ebonics is grammatically incorrect according to the rules of Standard English. Furthermore, there is a difference between Ebonics and the way gangsta kids talk with the constant slurring and saying 'know what I'm saying' three times per sentence.
besides the point. Standard English is a construct. nothing more.
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The reason I even replied to you in the first place is because your supposed metaphorical statement was actually just a false statement, so I had to address that nonsense. Who's now?
you, because you had no point. you addressed what? nothing. nothing but how you can't grasp metaphor, as i've already stated, flowy.
PS: what me and Crumist said was pointless? no. fuck off. we can say wtf we want, we can share our opinions like anyone else, and it's on topic, as far as this thread is concerned, at this point; and also it's truer than what SPC said, and also, we're allowed to disagree. so fuck off with that "pointless" shit. this argument is pointless, and you started it.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: qman]
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qman said: Language ability is genetic. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/409215/the-genetics-of-language/
thank you Qman.
i hate when my latest post is unnecessary but hangs off into the starting post in the next page.
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