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What's with all them tongue clicks tho? Sounding like a flow of gibberish, intermittently laced with snapple caps.
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akira_akuma said: it's INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.

Do you "realize -- at least -- the concept of science"? It isn't ingrained in anyone's DNA to speak in a certain way. If you raise a black kid from birth with people who speak standard English, they will speak standard English. If you raise a Chinese kid from birth with Italians, they will speak Italian in the same way as those they were raised with.
This. Beat me to it.
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PeyoteZen said: What's with all them tongue clicks tho? Sounding like a flow of gibberish, intermittently laced with snapple caps.
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You're such a bore.
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clock_of_omens said:
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akira_akuma said: it's INGRAINED IN THEIR DNA, essentially, TO SPEAK THAT WAY.

Do you "realize -- at least -- the concept of science"? It isn't ingrained in anyone's DNA to speak in a certain way. If you raise a black kid from birth with people who speak standard English, they will speak standard English. If you raise a Chinese kid from birth with Italians, they will speak Italian in the same way as those they were raised with.
metaphor bro. learn metaphor. it's in their DNA = it's in their development -- that includes their genetic development; in fact, their genetic development precludes their environmental development. (you realize, that if your mother speaks in an African-American dialect, you're more likely to speak in that dialect, even if your peers do not, because you're genetically predisposed to speak as your mother speaks to you, as that's generally how people learn how to speak, through their parents, -- usually. you realize that's what i meant, right? and that not everything in one's discourse has to be literal all the time for it to make sense? you realize that logic is perfect (or can be through reasoning), yet, human communication is largely illogical, informal, and imperfect, right? right?)
listen...why don't you look up what he's saying, and you try and explain something to him, but here's the catch...if you see him again, and he's lacking the same comprehension as before, you have to explain it to him again, to infinity. let's see how far you get explaining the causes of environmental factors on development...regarding language, hell, regarding anything. i have. and i was just trying something a little different this time, for the little bugger, you know. but you can take over, i guess, he'll do so much better with someone who can only understand logic in the literal sense, and whom can never grasp metaphor without questioning the meaning that's determined from the words taken literally, which really doesn't make sense. but have at it.
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Don't blame other people for misinterpreting and misconstruing your bizarre, esoteric rants, you rambling space cadet.
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i don't blame him for that. i know of someone who suffers of the same condition as Omen. these people can only understand logical statements given the premise presented, and like to point out inconclusiveness as if it was ingrained in their DNA to pick out assumed flaws and assume that they are correct in assuming they are flaws because of incongruity; these kinds lend themselves often to the fallacy that incongruous thinking always leads to a "wrong conclusion" -- this is a fallacy, however. thus, they like to circle the drain in pointless semantic arguments, and also, as aforementioned, like to think they've found faults in logic, where there is not, ironically, really a overlap into formal logic, and thus stupid misunderstandings occur, where one thinks that they've revealed an internal flaw in logic, but have really revealed that they can't grasp metaphor due to their overly literal thinking, or perhaps, at the very worst, hazy thinking pisses them off -- generally speaking, in my experience, that's what happens.
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That just sounds like a needlessly long-winded way of accusing him of being too autistic to understand your bizarre ramblings.
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well, sorta, yeah. but it's better if you make that decision, i don't wanna just out and say yeah he's too autistic to get what i said. he's being all like "you realize it's not like literally encoded on your DNA" and i'm like yeah, the DNA is driven by environmental factors though, because you, people, are alive, after all, and one's DNA determines many things like your comprehension of a spoken dialect by say, your mother, than say, one's peers outside of what you generally grew up with around family. long winded enough yet? i mean c'mon...it's not like i am not being clear here. people just choose to purposely feign being dense and obtuse. 
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You're too nerdy for me. I think I might have to cut contact with you for awhile.
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nerdy? i....i'm cool as fuck.
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Fucking lol. I knew you were going to pull out the bullshit metaphor card. Every time I call you on saying something fucking stupid, you claim it was a metaphor and accuse me of not being able to understand them. I can understand metaphors just fine friend, no need for your condescension.
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that includes their genetic development; in fact, their genetic development precludes their environmental development.
I don't know if you just don't know what 'preclude' means, but that is patently false.
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because you're genetically predisposed to speak as your mother speaks to you, as that's generally how people learn how to speak, through their parents
For one, you are not genetically predisposed to speak like your parents. For two, the above statement logically states 'people usually learn to speak from their parents' is evidence for the statement that 'you're genetically predisposed to speak as your mother speaks to you'. That is not evidence and the conclusion is false anyway as I already stated. Don't try to pull out some shit about using 'genetically' metaphorically. If you are going to claim something is a genetic predisposition, people who know the first thing about genetics are going to take you literally and call you out on your bullshit.
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you realize that logic is perfect (or can be through reasoning), yet, human communication is largely illogical, informal, and imperfect, right? right?)
You do realize that the purpose of using logic is to minimize the imperfection of human communication, right? right? right? right?
Fuck outta here.
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akira_akuma said: hazy thinking pisses them off
Are you admitting that your thinking is hazy? Finally we are getting somewhere.
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akira_akuma said: the DNA is driven by environmental factors though
No it's not.
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and one's DNA determines many things like your comprehension of a spoken dialect by say, your mother, than say, one's peers outside of what you generally grew up with around family.
No it doesn't.
You should really refrain from speaking about genetics. You obviously don't understand it.
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see, it's those snarky comments....i don't understand what? what you're telling me? you're saying that DNA isn't "driven" by anything in the environment, right? you wanna say, "it's driven by genetics and not the environment" -- well, no shit sherlock, i do not mean that it literally "drives" it, no, genetics has it's own mechanisms for operation, that do not involve being "driven", literally, by the environment, but i'm saying that the environment influences how those genetic factors are driven; there are many diseases people are prone to due to their genetics; i might only have a rudimentary insight into this particular field, but i've already told you to stop being so pompous and to stop taking my words so literally. like i'm not gonna compute my language before i speak, just to you can understand it; all the more reason i won't, is cause you'll always be so pleasant to talk to about how literal you take everything, as if that is some sort of reasoned objectivity, even when you know that i was being metaphorical when i said that DNA was driven by the environment...you know that when i said that, that i meant that there are contributing factors within a subjects environment that predisposes him or her to certain objective outcomes, due to their genes. that includes the persons mother tongue.
stop acting so pompous.
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What does Mike Tyson's DNA look like?
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Dude, if you meant that environment influences genes, maybe say that. Maybe say what you mean instead of saying things that are actually false and claiming metaphor to cover your ass.
At the end, you once again claim genes have something to do with a 'mother tongue'. They don't. What language a person speaks and how they speak it is entirely environmental. A Chinese person is not genetically predisposed to speak Chinese. They pick up whatever language is spoken in their environment. Genes have nothing to do with it.
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stop acting so pompous.
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according his biography, his environment was poor growing up.
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you'll always be so pleasant to talk to about how literal you take everything, as if that is some sort of reasoned objectivity
Also, I never claimed that I take everything literally. You are the one who says that about me all the time.
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clock_of_omens said: Dude, if you meant that environment influences genes, maybe say that. Maybe say what you mean instead of saying things that are actually false and claiming metaphor to cover your ass.
i am not covering anything. i don't like to be constrained by imposed bullshit like trying to level everything as a query for your database. i like using my account to express myself in a slightly different way than that. sorry.
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At the end, you once again claim genes have something to do with a 'mother tongue'. They don't. What language a person speaks and how they speak it is entirely environmental. A Chinese person is not genetically predisposed to speak Chinese. They pick up whatever language is spoken in their environment. Genes have nothing to do with it.
no, i mean that their development, due to their genes, by the by, is predetermined in one particular aspect -- how language is formed. how it is formed is the child takes cues from the mother's native tongue, and thus those cues are ingrained, if you will, into the child's development growing up, those verbal cues are then mimicked. this is due to a genetic factor, in some circles in linguistics, said circle i'd tend to agree with.
stop acting so dense. you must have known what i meant, otherwise, this obtuse act has got to stop. i am not so recondite that you cannot understand what i am saying, it's just a pathetic attempt to discredit, either that, or you really just refuse to use your imagination and actually disclose what questions you may have so that i may clear up anything you don't understand; you refuse, so...here we are.
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stop acting so pompous.
Nah.
oh well. 
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you'll always be so pleasant to talk to about how literal you take everything, as if that is some sort of reasoned objectivity
Also, I never claimed that I take everything literally. You are the one who says that about me all the time.
ha, did i say "you claimed" anything? always so literal. no, i mean, it's "pleasant" that we talk about that, but you don't think so, and that it's actually not so "pleasant' (get it?), but more of a critical failure on your part.
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